Hi all,
Many of you, especially my favorite pollies, have wondered why I am a bitch, and why I lied about Y2k. I wnted things to be bad. I hate people, and I wanted to see them starve and die. I lied about the situation because I hoped it would be true. If it didn't come to pass, I hoped enough panic would be spread to cause pandamonium in the streets of the civilized nations of the world. Let's face it, I'm pathetic, and I was really, really wrong. What else can you expect from someone who is sleeping with Ed Yourdon? Now, catching the ol' Yourdon schlong is my idea of "internet research"!
;-D
Diane J. Squire
"Internet Researcher" ;-D
-- Diane J. Squire (fake@address.here), May 12, 2000
Answers
Now, this is bad. But, rather than cry "Delete" I think it's better
to leave this here and let everyone denounce it. At least, that's
what I think should happen.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), May 12, 2000.
I think you went a little far this time Andy Ray,
andyman633@hotmail.com
-- Too Far (bridge_too@far.com), May 12, 2000.
Gee, Buddy, I've been dying to scream "DELETE", and I haven't seen a
thread more deserving than this one. But, in the interest of an
uncensored forum, I'll nicely suggest that this poster is NOT Diane
Squire, and further state that the opinions of this poster are
reflective of the "delete" pile, if not the DUNG pile.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 12, 2000.
Anita:
Agreed, But isnt this Dianes real email addy? I believe it is.
Makes you wonder, let me think? Who has the Ax to grind the hardest
with Diane? I believe in all sincerty I know who it is and I do not
believe it is Andy.
BTW, freespeech, but this is pathetic.
-- consumer (shh@aol.com), May 12, 2000.
I think you all know how I feel about Andy, but this isn't his style.
This looks like the work of a 9th grader. <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.
BTW, I just re-read the post, study it, look the words over
carefully, internet research ring a bell?
taint no big mystery
-- consumer (shh@aol.com), May 12, 2000.
Time to ask a question that I have long wondered about but have been
too embarassed to ask---
Does sysops know who really submitted a post even tho it has an alias
or a forged identity?
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), May 12, 2000.
Lars,
Each message that is posted here is connected to the IP address of
the machine that sent it.
-- (Sheeple@Greener.Pastures), May 12, 2000.
Correct email address sure; what does that mean. IP addresses don't
really tell you much. As in [sorry Lars] From
-- Lars (Lars (fake@address.here)), May 12, 2000.
I've edited Diane's real address out of the posts with
"fake@address.here" so that she doesn't get spammed with return
emails.
OTFR
-- Old TB2K Forum Regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.
Is there so little of interest happening today that we must resort to
dredging up past animosities? Who really gives a shit? Move on!
-- Jimmy Splinters (inthe@dark.com), May 12, 2000.
OTFR:
Good move; but I think that everyone [that has been here for awhile]
already has that address. I could post with your old addy but why. We
must maintain some civilization here. Diane's new site could be
interesting; if she would stop posting so many things and allow folks
to get in a word edgewise. The last time I looked at stats, I was
number 6 with 3 posts.
Best wishes,,,
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), May 12, 2000.
I'm pretty sure Diane didn't write that, but she could have. I'd bet
dollars to donuts that she was dying to suck Yourdon, but he wouldn't
give her a drop of sweat off his backside. (Or, maybe he did, but she
got tired of licking his hole and wanted more.) Personally, I've
never met a more disgusting, pathetic female in my life; online or
off.
-- (Diane @ Does . Taos), May 12, 2000.
I've spent some time today trying to kick Andy Ray +/or Stephen Poole around the block, but hell they are wonderful angels compared to this piece of excrement. Pollies, are you proud of yourselves? I bet you have a pretty good idea of who is responsible for this.
-- Peter Errington (petere@ricochet.net), May 12, 2000.
Z, the reason I blocked out Diane's address is so she doesn't get
spammed with replies in her mailbox as happens when one chooses
"notify me of responses" when one starts a new thread.
Inserting someone else's address other than one's own is malicious and
considered harrassment by me. Since I have noway of telling if the
person selected the yes or no in the notify box, I changed it just in
case.
Diane has emailed me and told me a couple of times that she does not
and would not post on this forum. I know her IPs so I can check, and I
respect her wish to be left alone from this forum. She has
categorically stated to me that she has moved on from anything y2k
related, and does not post on EZBoard. It is not my pejorative to deny
her wish. As the administrator of this forum, I view it as my ethical
duty to protect the privacy and right of any individual if they ask me
via email, whether I like them or not. I've done so with Ladylogic,
her attackers, my own attackers, and anyone else's attackers.
OTFR
-- Old TB2K Forum Regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.
This is obviously a post by someone who has it in for D.S. The usual
suspects come to mind.
-- Sleuth (searching@for.da.truth), May 12, 2000.
She has categorically stated to me that she has moved on from
anything y2k related, and does not post on EZBoard.
Figures. She flitted in to TB2K, posted like a madman, sucked up,
became a sysop and then deleted like crazy. But now there are other
new-age hills to climb I guess, can't have any of that old TB2K
baggage interfering with the newest cause celeb.
*sigh*
Yeah, this is me, Unk. Feeling grumpy. Gimme a day, mebbe I'll change
my mind, or not.
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.
OTFR:
Hope you don't think that I was not agreeing with you. My post was to
prove that much of the discussion was, in my mind, silly. If you go
back far enough, you will remember that I am the one who found Laura
and didn't post the info. Diane was working on the same and did. I
don't hold this against her, but I don't agree. I wish that Diane
would shape-up her site. It could be interesting.
Best wishes,,,,
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), May 12, 2000.
Unk: Just remember, without alarms, there would be a lot more serious
fires.
-- (@ .), May 12, 2000.
Pulling the alarm is one thing, acting like you had nothing to do
with it is something else. Me, I was wrong, got the balls to hang
around and hear about it too.
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.
She has categorically stated to me that she has moved on from
anything y2k related, and does not post on EZBoard.
She has no right to dictate when she
moves on, or not. I'm sure it would be very convenient for her
to "move on" because she doesn't want to take ANY responsibility for
her actions before, or after the rollover.
(By the way, I did NOT start this thread. Believe it or not, there
are other people that hate that lying, cheating, deleting, editing
bitch.)
Please, allow me a minute to tell all of you a little bit about her
from my perspective. (If you're not interested, just scroll on down,
because otherwise, I am NOT interested in what you have to say.)
Diane is (and has been for a very long time) a very lonely and
insecure person. She is easy to manipulate, and was played like a
puppet by a man that she adored (adores?). She is also power hungry,
believing she would gain some sort of notoriety from her "superior
position" at TimeBum". (What other kind of personality would try to
completely erase people from the minds of the unsuspecting?)
She tasted blood, and couldn't get enough. I suspect that thirst
began long before I ever got online, but she took it out on me, and
guess what?...that's what caused my spamming.
She has/had an emotional bitterness that eats her up. Life and
society hasn't met her expectations, so the only way she could/can
control her existence is by whipping people in line. ("*Sigh*, shift
happens." Crack that whip, you worthless bitch!) She's a control
freak, all right. I'd feel sorry for her if she weren't so down right
dysfunctional. My guess is she was abused my her father...who knows?
maybe her mother too....and she refuses to address the problem, and
instead hides out by saying, "Y2k is behind me". You make me sick,
Diane, and obviously, I'm not the only one.
She has an obsession to make her little corner of the world perfect.
Don't disagree that it might not be!! She lives in a nether world,
where anyone who disagrees with her doesn't exist. God, I feel sorry
for any real live man who accidentally wanders into her Hell. (Watch
out Critt!)
She is anxious with the unknown, and what the future may hold. We all
do at some time or other, but when that happens, do you put your
skirt up over your head and run away? A MATURE ADULT reflects on
their mistakes, and tries to correct them. Diane is nothing but a
sniveling coward, and she should be -- history speaks for itself.
She is good at manipulating the emotions of other people --
otherwise, why would some of you be defending her?
She has a tendency to be overly egotistical when it serves her
purpose. As a matter of fact, she doesn't do anything that doesn't
serve her purpose. At least Sysman is here to explain his actions in
the past. Diane has made it clear that is is above all
that. ('Scuse me, I said that wrong. She is below all
that.)
She is concerned with the enviroment because she lives in SillyCon
Valley. Do I really have to waste my time explaining this?
She has a false concept that she can "deceive" others and maybe she's
right. Some of you have proven that.
This is where I come in. I REFUSE (have refused) to let her get away
with her deceptions. I know some of you sweet people can't see this,
but I hope, someday, you will understand you HAVE been deceived,
because it has cost you more than your ego.
~*~
-- (Ladylogic@.....), May 12, 2000.
By the way, "OTFR" -- I love you, most of the time -- because I think
you were among the multitude of "manipulated masses."
((I was/am NOT the new kid in town : o ))
lol!
~*~
-- (Ladylogic@.....), May 12, 2000.
Call me now, please. I love you.
-- L (Master@your.side), May 12, 2000.
"She has no right to dictate when she moves on, or not. I'm sure it
would be very convenient for her to "move on" because she doesn't
want to take ANY responsibility for her actions before, or after the
rollover."
She has no right to dictate when she moves on? What country do YOU
live in?
Defense of her moving on is due to her having MANIPULATED
us? Give me a break. Manipulation is a sorry excuse for not having
the ability to make your OWN decisions.
Sorry, Laura, but blaming Diane for everything that's gone wrong with
my life just doesn't fit into my personality. I'M
responsible for my life. If I ALLOW myself to be
manipulated, I'm STILL responsible. If Diane told me to
kill myself, I'd STILL be responsible if I did what she said.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 12, 2000.
Ladylogic, I heard your anger and frustration. Want to hear what I
think about Diane Squire?
She's only one in 260 million people in this country, and is not worth
getting all frothy at the mouth over. Y2KPro isn't, why can't you? One
woman, one website in millions.
I think she is the sane one for having moved on and wanting to
distance herself from angry people.
-- (y@x.x), May 12, 2000.
I don't expect you to understand.
Diane didn't take your voice away...
~*~
-- (Ladylogic@...), May 12, 2000.
Once again we see the true colors of this board.
You people just keep proving why an "uncensored" forum is just for
the kiddies.
(snicker)
-- Yeah Right (Ahhh@haaa.haaa.haaa), May 12, 2000.
Anita:
I can't say I admire your position much. Diane really did make some
of our lives more miserable, because we were making an effort to
understand, and to communicate this. If YOU didn't give a shit one
way or the other, fine. Some of us cared, and Diane took advantage of
that. Now it turns out she was wrong, both about y2k and about the
way she treated so many people, and NOW she wants to call time out?
Right. FIRST, I punch you in the face. THEN I claim I just want to
walk away and get on with my life, and if you don't like it that's
YOUR problem. Do you go along with that? You seem to.
I believe you reap what you sow. Sowing hatred and mockery when you
have the power, and expecting people to feel sorry for you if YOU
have to reap it, and making THEM reap it instead, isn't my idea of
responsible. Diane has EARNED everything we can dump on her.
Repeatedly, fully, for a long time. And if that sounds harsh, then
just offer Diane your own advice -- ignore it. If people trash a site
she's labored to create, so what? It's only words on the screen,
right? It's HER problem if she feels bad about this, right?
So OTFR has decided it's only right and proper to punish US with
censorship to protect Diane? Sorry, but I don't think so.
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 12, 2000.
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.
Jesus loves everyone and wants everyone to love him.
-- Manny (Found@the truth.com), May 12, 2000.
But now there are other new-age hills to climb I guess
ROFL Unk. Ain't THAT the truth. They gotta keep up with the
politically correct movement, while claiming to be otherwise.
-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), May 12, 2000.
Flint:
First of all, I haven't seen much evidence of OTFR censoring this
forum to protect Diane. If someone began a thread using MY E-mail
address, I would hope OTFR would modify the E-mail address as well.
Secondly, I don't agree that a moderator on an internet forum can
affect one's life.
Diane's influence on folks' lives had as much influence as TB2000
going down from the 'bots that took control of the server when folks
tried to download everything at once. It had less influence on
folks' lives than when the local pub closed wherein folks had
"invested" 10 or 15 years of their lives debating with neighbors. It
had less influence on folks' lives than say Caterpillar closing the
plant in Peoria, Illinois. It had less influence even than the
cyberlover who attracted the wife of my cousin. THAT one at least
affected a marriage of 18 years with one child. HERE, we have Diane
accused of destroying a relationship that never even got off the
internet.
Obviously, I like the internet, Flint. However, NOWHERE in my mind
do I compare it to my REAL life.
I see a difference. I see a HUGE difference between real life and
the internet.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 12, 2000.
Anita, that's because you have no real life...........here or in r/t.
(Isn't it time for you to take a bath and wash those stinky armpits?)
-- (Anita is @ worthless .idiot), May 12, 2000.
Anita:
I'm not comparing the internet with real life, I'm comparing the
damage Diane did via the internet with the damage justly due to her
via the internet. OTFR seems to be systematically deleting links to
Diane's internet activities. If the net is so insignificant, why even
bother with this petty buddy system? You seem to be arguing that what
we *might* do to Diane is important, so OTFR is justified in trying
to prevent it. But Diane, who *actually did* MUCH worse, didn't do
anything worth being concerned about because she did it on the
internet! Heads I win, tails you lose.
As far as I'm concerned, anything that protects Diane from internet
mischief is doubly wrong. Wrong because OTFR is changing other
peoples' intent against their wishes, and wrong because Diane has
richly earned all the mischief anyone can do to her on the net.
OTFR's decision that Diane's wishes are more important than ours is
reprehensible. And there's no denying that OTFR has decided that
Diane is more important than we are.
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 13, 2000.
Right on, Flint.
-- (I @gree .with you.), May 13, 2000.
Flint:
I see your point. If all things are equal on the internet, OTFR
shouldn't be protecting Diane from internet mischief. I'll agree on
this. Does this mean that you object to OTFR modifying Diane's E-
mail address on this thread, or do your thoughts stem to other
activities that I may have missed?
To the poster that replies on occasion that I'm an idiot...Thanks. I
enjoy the humor you provide. It reminds me a lot of Ray on the old
forum. The FIRST post of his in response to one of mine was
annoying, but he grew on me after a while, and when he stopped
following me around, I actually MISSED him.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 13, 2000.
"and guess what... that's what caused my spamming".
The
thought process of a child.
-- J (Y2J@home.comm), May 13, 2000.
I'd agree that signing someone else's E-mail address EXACTLY on a
thread so that they get all the responses dumped on them is malicious,
and OTFR should have at least changed a letter so she didn't get any
responses. Seems courteous.
As far as deleting the whole address, searching for Diane Squire comes
up with her address easily enough, so it probably isn't necessary.
After all, isn't it Sacredspaces@yahoo.com? I have no interest in her
at all, but have now seen it enough to remember it.
Frank
-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 13, 2000.
As your token Nazi-censor type on this board, I find the discussion so far to be just diddling around the subject of what most needs to be done, which IMHO is: Make every effort to find out who the creep is, expose him, ban him, and report him to his ISP (which if you could do that would make him, I think, a two-time loser)
-- Peter Errington (petere@ricochet.net), May 13, 2000.
Hot Damn!! This is more like it!!
Flint, Your right, people you love should be answerable.
How is your wife?
-- ownership (----@--.com), May 13, 2000.
From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California
I live near Diane. We corresponded by e-mail and met in person.
Exactly none of LL's description strikes me as reality based.
-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), May 13, 2000.
We have HAD this conversation before, I think it falls under the
being 'outted' syndrome.
I dont think anyone should HUNT down anyone else and tell any of us.
Frankly it is NONE of our business.
How would any of us feel if we screwed up and had some whacko using
our CORRECT email address and getting all sorts of garbage?
Then here we go, back to the usual cesorship agruement. With Flint
in the lead.
go figure
I said it before and will say so again, I am not a Diane fan, I did
not like what occurred at the old place, but I wouldnt wanna waste my
time hunting her down for the kill either. Wuz up with that?
Now go ahead, make this yet another major censorship issue...
Frank: I cant believe you posted that. Although true we ALL
remember what her true email addy is, why kick the anthill?
-- consumer (shh@aol.com), May 13, 2000.
This little blast from the past should interest you no matter what
side of the y2k awareness debate you were on. The thread below is the
roots of the censorship issue on the old TB2000 forum.
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000wtF
Calling All Forum Moderators
======================================================================
BTW, since ya all know I love a good hotlink, just look at how Forum
opinion was over the time since Ed left, and think about how its
changed now.
Good, I say. And about time.
Diane
BTW, a few refresher hotlinks...
Please Don't Cancell This Forum (May 29, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000t9P
New sysop/moderators being organized for this forum (Ed Yourdon--May
31, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000tNe
Y2K essays, links and resources remain on my site, for now... (Ed
Yourdon--May 31, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000tNi
Question: About the TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Forum & Changes (Forum
Moderation Team Member--May 31, 1999 )
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000tPe
Strange Personal Life Goals of the Polly/Troll (June 04, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000ub0
Should Folks That Post Here With Other Forum Posters Handles......
(June 05, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000uoH
NOTICE: To Forum Posters Re: Trolls and Moderation (Time Bomb 2000
Sysop--June 06, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000uxC
NOTICE TO FORUM SYSOP(S) (Hardliner--June 06, 1999 )
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000v0I
A Time For Cool Heads On The Forum And ... (BigDog--June 08, 1999 )
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000vWD
A Few Comments About the Recent Events on the Forum (Sysop #2--June
09, 1999 )
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000vkF
(OT) Big Brother is you! (OT) (Unc D--June 09, 1999 )
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000vkf
why's everyone arguing? (June 10, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000w50
As an indicator of just HOW interested regular posters are about
staying on Y2K issues see also...
Paging Yourdonites For Chat On Various Subjects (BigDog--June 02,
1999
)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000tv3
Paging Yourdonites About Possible Chat Subjects (BigDog--June 03,
1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000u8R
And...
Would it be possible to make this two forums? (June 10, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000wEF
In a word... YES. One on preparation and advice, heavily moderated,
and this original, lightly moderated.
A group is working on it.
Then, compare and contrast that with KNOWN TROLLS, hecklers and
general distuptors, posting under numerous interconnected names
(behind-the-scenes), yelling the LOUDEST about censorship and
editing... and playing upon those FEARS, I might add...
GNIABFI says this forum is self destructing (humor) (June 06, 1999 )
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000uuC
Been away for a while, who's cpr and why is he/she keeping a list?
(June 06, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000uvI
I do not post under another name (Cherri--June 06, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000v3T
Note: Maybe yes... maybe no.
If you check the Debunker site--because they show each posters ISP
codes--youll find Cherri and Mutha share the same one, slight
variation. Also two separate moderators watched late one night, when
VERY few were posting, myself included, the Recent Answers area.
We each, independently, just sat there hitting the Reload/Refresh
button looking at the top thread at checked it, and the bottom of the
thread, to see who posted the most recent comment... Mutha.
Wait a minute... hit Reload... new thread... Mutha.
Wait a minute... hit Reload... new thread... Cherri.
Wait a minute... hit Reload... new thread... Mutha.
Nuf said.
Can it be true? has this forum sunk to censorship? (serious topic)
(Regular--at@the.forum--June 06, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000uvp
Yeah, right. A VERY REGULAR TROLL!! (One of many).
Censorship. Yea right (Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts--June 06, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000v6Y
Church or School? (Decker--June 07, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000vBM
A Response to Chuck RE: Forum Censorship (and an offer you can't
refuse!) (Mutha-June 08, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000vet
Warning: "Debunking Y2K" site now IDing and threatening its posters
(June 09, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000w0m
Finally...
Hey all you ex-"GNIABFI" posters with potty mouths: (June 13, 1999)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000wrR
Nice try, Debunker and GNIABFI dudes, dudettes and trolls... but
no cigar.
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com),
June 14, 1999.
BTW, Im willing to also go on record and state, as many others
already have, that Im ALSO on the Forum Moderators team!
So there. What a long strange trip its been.
Here ya go trolls...
Another TARGET. (Do your darndest!)
Fortunately, most the Y2K regulars KNOW what is important... with
five
and a half months and counting...
PREPARING for the great Y2K unknowable. So, lets get on with
it!
Shift happens.
Diane, still a 5 locally. Globally... ranging between 1 thru 10 in
unknowable places!
BTW, Questions anyone?
For the trolls... bottom line... its still about Y2K and ALL its
ramifications... and so is the Time Bomb 2000 Forum!
Go team!
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com),
June 14, 1999.
======================================================================
-- (early@summer.1999), May 13, 2000.
The ability to forgive, forget, and move on in a positive direction is
one of the most powerful character traits one can develop. It
facilitates happiness and success in live.
-- Guru (top@of.the.mountain), May 13, 2000.
Let me never ever hear again about Doomers being obsessive.
-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 13, 2000.
Carlos, *You* are obsessive. (You're also illiterate.)
-- (Shut @ up .stupid), May 13, 2000.
Lordy, i just purely LOVE to watch you-all go ahead an violate half a
dozen federal laws. Shucks, Flint, that is as clear a threat as any
I've seen in a while.
LL having worked with the suposed subject of your "personality
analysis" for something over 3 years, I find your analysis
interesting. it is very unusual that I see a perfect analysis which
is developed from no true interaction. Yours is so perfectly
INaccurate I begin to wonder. You managed to hit EXACTLY the oposite
of Diane in each point and catagory.
And ALL of you who have comented on the Hunting Down of people might
want to reevaluate your positions.
Joss
-- Joss Metadi (warhammer@Pride.of.Mandeyne), May 14, 2000.
Consumer,
The first time a "Diane" thread popped up (month or so ago), I did a
search on "Diane J. Squire" and came up with her e-mail, p.o. box,
website, more junk than an obsessive could want.
My point here is that she's not hiding from anyone, and it's easy
enough to really find her if you want to, so protecting her identity
is not really the issue here (as I sees it).
I thought OTFR did a good thing in changing her addy in the header so
she didn't get a bunch of underserved responses in her box, but don't
see why her E-mail address is some big mystery.
Frank
-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 14, 2000.
Should any of you be looking for a credible witness to your
character, I suggest that dancr might not be the best choice. This is
a woman that lives on the neurotic side of life and would love to
have more company,
-- Ra (tion@l.1), May 14, 2000.
One could disagree with Diane's concern about Y2k or how she
moderated the forum, but she acted with class and made her points
with information rather than name calling. Diane never had even a
tenth of the ranting fervor and attitude of a CPR, Y2K Pro or a Doc
Paulie.
My take on Diane is that she truly did believe Y2k could have been a
signicant problem but treated it as a big unknown rather than as
guaranteed doom. Y2k and global warming are both long-term, big
picture issues that she's considered deserving of close, on-going
scrutiny.
I think most would agree that Diane is not a part of the religious
right, is not a racist nor likely to be a gun owner....
-- (One@man's.opinion), May 14, 2000.
One mans,
Bet you long odds she has bigger guns than you do.
-- ownership (----@--.com), May 14, 2000.
Since she lives in Kalifornia and is an affluent female, I would tend
to agree on the gun owner analysis, unless she grew up in an Old
Western state other than CA.
-- Observer (lots@to.observe), May 14, 2000.
Squires is a dyed green, new age Pagan tree hugger. She went on record many times stating that owning a gun would violate her beliefs. That is consistent with her skewed philosophies.
-- (Aardvark@conspiracy.xxx), May 14, 2000.
Are we there yet?
-- (nemesis@awol.com), September 26, 2000.
Hi Laura -- Your namesake is still alive and kicking, although she stopped growing shortly after birth and is still very small. We think she'll live.
-- helen (home@the.range), September 27, 2000.
What is the point in resurrecting this crap?
-- (garbage.in@garbage.out), September 27, 2000.
Gezz... you people need to get a life !!!!!
-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), September 27, 2000.
This crap was a link in another thread. I answered it by mistake.
-- (nemesis@awol.com), September 27, 2000.
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002h5y
Leavin... On A Jet Plane... Dont Know When Ill Be Back Again...
'''''''''''''''
Midi link... for your listening pleasure...
Leaving on a Jet Plane
http:/
/midistudio.com/Guests/Robert_Dupler/leavingon.mid
March 1st, 2000
Well TBY2Kers its time for me to take wing in the cyber skies and
move on to new global adventures in eCommunity... and beyond... plus
create changes in my personal life... in addition to shutting down
the puter more often. (This has been in the works for awhile).
*Smile*
Feels good to have hot running water... to watch the spring flowers
bloom... to amble down tree-lined town streets, rain or shine... to
feel grateful that Earth Abides... (sorta) and to anticipate new
beginnings (in the best I Ching tradition) over a steaming hot caffe
latte at my favorite local coffee house.
In contemplating the Y2K lessons learned over the past year and a
half, or pondering the lessons were stilling learning, that we may
(or may not) carry with us into the future, a few have personal
meaning....
The middle ground is a sane place to remain in an insanely
polarized world...
Never seen anything quite like the inadequately labeled Doomer/Polly
Y2K schism that occurred here, within communities and boardrooms
across the nation, and decidedly among the newsmedia around the
world. (Or not). What an eye-opening experience that was! From the
corridors of the White House, to the meeting rooms in town halls,
only the compelling topics of Religion and Politics (or Sex) could
scatter the polar opposites as effectively.
In 1998, whod of thought a simple computer bug (glitch to be
politically correct these days) could have created the biggest
remedial price tag in the history of our planet, or that so many
people would react the ways they did (or did not)?
Lessons to learn here are not about right or wrong because, near as
I can tell, both sides are somewhat right and somewhat wrong,
whatever the revisionists/flammers/right wing/left wing try to say.
Problems are happening.
Planes do appear to be falling from the sky. Oil prices are
skyrocketing. Are they Y2K related? Hard to tell, because its
inappropriate to allude to having a Y2K problem... similar to a
social anathema, or admitting to having a communicable disease.
Additionally, with the looming threat of lawsuits, organizations are
well aware that open season begins at the onset of April... 90 days
to fix it, the Congressional legislation says.
Personally, now and in the future, I plan to stake my tent
somewhere in the middleground, of any issue.
As any Feng Shui practitioner or afficianado knows, you dont build a
house on a flat flood plane nor on the top of a wind-tossed, elements-
exposed mountain, but partway up the slopes on a secure base, with
your back protected, your sides embraced and unobstructed view out
front. (And remember your pure water source).
We appear to live in a Yin-Yang world. The balance between poles
apart... occurs where opposites attract... at centerpoint. Its
simply a wise place to be.
REFERENCE: Y2K And The Erosion Of The Middle Ground
-- Arnie Rimmer (Arnie_Rimmer@usa.net), March 19, 1999
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000cvv
When governments openly hire perception management P.R.
firms... buy a clue.
Its well to realize when the politicians (et. al.) determine that a
potential problem is big enough that the rank and file citizens
cant be allowed to think for themselves, their immediate response is
to mold public perception, by whatever devious or for their own
good means are possible.
I remember when I read the following statement by John Koskinen...
NRC Nuclear Regulatory Commission Briefing On Y2K
Thursday, February 11, 1999
ht
tp://www.nrc.gov/NRC/COMMISSION/TRANSCRIPTS/19990211b.html
[snip]
MR. KOSKINEN:
... That brings me to my request of the Commission and the staff and
the industry. That is that our other major problem and risk in the
United States will be overreaction by the public to the perception of
what this problem could look like.
We are concerned that if a few people decide to change their economic
behavior, it won't make a lot of difference, if even a reasonable
number of people do that, but if 200 million Americans decide to do
anything very differently all at one time, the system is not geared
up to deal with that, and we could have a self-fulfilling prophesy
where we have a major economic problem even though the systems
basically are functioning appropriately. ...
[snip -- to end]
It was quite obvious then that TPTB were favoring the economy... and
NOT the lives of people. That frankly was my biggest gripe with the
dot govs, dot mils and dot coms. At that timing virtually every
Senate or House testimony had No One Knows sprinkled as their
ending tagline. With such monumental uncertainty, the choice made
really puzzled me.
Lessons? Given that people are again faced with an unknowable
global threat like that again, as they will be at some future time,
it is wise to recall WHO the leaders are looking out for. Hint:
Its NOT the little people. Sad, but there it is.
It is only prudent to be prepared to rely on yourselves... your
neighbors... your community... if/when push comes to shove... again.
(And it will).
Lets just say, whenever Tom Browkaw (NBC), Dan Rather (CBS) or Peter
Jennings (ABC) speak on a hot topic, Ill remember to check out the
internet and do my own research, rather than allow them to mold my
perceptions for me.
Investigative journalism appears to be a dying art form.
That was one of the biggest lessons of Y2K.
*Sigh*
REFERENCE: Check out the Navy's Virtual Community Conversation on
6/15, and a look at who created the .gov Community Conversation
series (i.e. The Rendon Group -- PR firm for Koskinens Community
Conversations.)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=00106v
When your military begins holding its first ever Urban Warrior
exercises in a town near you... ask yourself... WHY?
Before the Y2K experience I knew next-to-nothing about our military,
and afterwards its pretty much the same. However, my eyes were
certainly popped open by the Naval War College Year 2000 scenarios,
and more importantly, by all the Marine Urban Warrior activity.
Threads upon threads were devoted to the topic.
Lessons? When youre watching your water and food supply, also watch
what your taxpayer paid for military does... not just what they say.
(They tend to forget who really writes the payroll checks).
REFERENCE: There are so many links I wouldnt even know where to
point you. For the Y2K historians and archivists among us, check out
the
Military category on TimeBomb 2000. Or, browse here...
San Francisco Says No To Marines' High-Tech Exercise
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000PuS
!!!Everything We've Uncovered Is True !! FEMA vs Homeland Command
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000S8Y
Military Test Exercises For "Urban Warrior" & National Institute for
Urban Search and Rescue Web-site
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000ToL
It's only urban warfare training
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000VHT
Heads Up San Antonio, Texas (Urban Warriors Coming Your Way This
Week)
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000VOL
Finally! Kingsville Military "Exercise" Makes It Into The Houston
Chronicle
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000WiH
Protests In Oakland, California About Scheduled Urban Warrior
Exercises
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000Xu2
Urban Warrior Exercises In No. California May Face Showdown, or Not
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=000b9U
When both the U.S. House and Senate create special task force
subcommittees to study ONE issue... pay attention... and learn to
read-between-the-lines.
Prior to the Y2K experience, again, I knew next-to-nothing about our
congressional machinations (and could frankly care less) yet
afterwards its pretty much the same. One observation though... if
theres a vested interest ANYWHERE on this planet... it can be found
in Washington D.C.
*Sheesh*
Often, they dont appear to know if they are coming or going.
Talking out of both sides of the mouth is a political success
achievement. (Beware he who speaks with forked tongue?) I knew
that... as we all did... but after Y2K... I REALLY KNOW that... now.
Do want to commend the efforts of Senators Bennett and Dodd, and
Representative Horn for trying, like the rest of us, to figure out
what the heck was going on with the Year 2000 problem and WHO was
telling the truth? (Or even knew it intimately for that matter?)
Like many, I read hours upon hours worth of CIA, FBI, FEMA, GAO,
etc., testimony and researched the myriad background clues and
still... there was NO predicting what would happen.
Thankfully... not much. At least... not much thats
currently obvious.
Lessons? If something is important enough for both houses to focus
on, it behooves the vigilant to observe... with more than a grain of
salt... and a hefty magnifying glass.
Have to add, Im more discouraged than ever with the Washington
scene. Wonder if Abe Lincoln will ever choose reincarnate there
again? Honesty is not to be found among those hollow halls, IMHO.
Or if it arrives there... it quickly assimilates into the
congressional borg.
That does not bode well for our global future.
REFERENCE: For the wildly curious, check out the
Government category. It was an adventure.
When the dot gov and dot mil spin cycle spins... prepare to be
caught up in a ringer, and hung out to dry. Or not.
The first intimation that this bboard was seriously monitored--even
manipulated--by more than a few vested interests came with the c4i
saga. As a relatively new lead Sysop, after Ed Yourdon handed over
the forum reins to me late May 1999 (and I quickly created an ever
growing team of Sysops and Moderators [grateful thanks all]), I was
stunned to see how fast outsiders slide down the firepoles as one
moderator put it.
The Sysops had a birdseye view of all the ISPs that people came in
on. There suddenly was an overabundance of dot mil and unusual
posters. In fact, I was so puzzled, that I spent two and a half
hours on the phone with someone involved in the early creation of the
internet, and he ran traces for me on the more puzzling ISPs. The
upshot was... Diane... these traces are doing things Ive NEVER seen
before... were playing with the big boyz.
I gulped, shared the findings with the Moderator team, and simply
observed continuing events.
The next biggy came with what is now known as the Jim Lord
Pentagon Papers. We had to devote a whole category to that one!
C4i was baby stuff, comparatively speaking, to the FIRESTORM that
created.
Without going into excruciating details (its in the TimeBomb
archives), basically Jim Lord posted a spreadsheet taken from a
pubically accessible dot mil website (originally located at the Port
Hueneme base, CA). How do I know that? Because he wasnt the one
who originally found it.
One of our regular TBY2K posters did (someone I trust implicitly and
who later acknowledged what he did). Our poster was so concerned, by
the alarming information contained on that spreadsheet, that if it
fell into the wrong hands could spell major trouble for the Navy, so
he alerted Koskinens team to its existence, and it was quickly
disappeared. However, concurrently, someone within the Navy also
floated a copy to Jim Lord and the rest is... his-story.
Lessons? When something embarrassing comes under the dot mil public
spotlight... they will move heaven and earth (along with the Pentagon
and the White House) to shift public perception on it.
Cant tell you how much dot mil e-mail I suddenly received in my
little ole e-mail box. Each with their own story to tell.
Frankly, it made my head swim!
Alices looking glass cracked on that one!
Upshot... I will never again take for granted the power of determined
spin. And... I am alternately encouraged by the wildcard nature
of the global internet to become the final frontier for countering
the spin. Or not.
Time, and ECHELON will tell.
REFERENCE: Somebody, in some future time, may puzzle over this head
scratcher.
Category:
Military/Pentagon
Papers/Hot Topics (New)
Subj: An Open Letter to Jim Lord (Sent By E-Mail From A Navy Dot
Mil)
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=001H8i
Diane J. Squire - C4I - Jim Lord ???
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=001Gi5
In conclusion? (Since I could go on, and on, for 20 pages)...
What works? People do. When they put aside their differences
and focus on their commonalties.
At least... the ones who care about their fellow humans... being.
The most impressive aspect about the whole Y2K story, was the way
grassroots activists came together across the country and around the
globe, to help out in their home towns and neighborhoods. Since no
one knew what would happen, the emergency management people and the
activists often came together and got prepared. At least... as
much as was possible... given counter intentions and media whitewash.
Lessons? I think people who care more about other people rather than
the systems weve created, are humanities last, best hope, to change
this crazy convoluted, upside down world, into something we can
all.... live with.
Was there a Y2K problem? Definitely.
Would it have been solved in time if people hadnt shouted
from the rooftops? Doubtful, IMHO.
And that is where the Y2K story ends. Or not.
Somehow... I think Mother Nature will have the last word.
*Mona Lisa Smile*
And that brings me up to the next phase of as the TBY2K cyber-world
turns or...
TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Forum... and... Shift Happens...
Basically this personal choice means is that my TBY2K Sysop spurs are
reverting back to Ed Yourdon
(who rejoined the Sysop team in December after I pleaded with him to
aid us with the spam attacks which increased dramatically after he
said Sayonara last May).
The rest of the Sysop team support this move... and... well... Eds
been On a Jet Plane today... returning to Taos from NYC.
Hell post an update on TimeBomb 2000 Forum changes, likely
tomorrow.
(Stay tuned... for the other shoe to drop).
Best wishes to you all, and may you ALL realize your hearts desires.
*Grin*
Au Revoir,
Diane
A Former TBY2K Sysop
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P.S. Working on initiating an online discussion group on
sustainability topics. Not quite sure if it will morph, grow or
die. Let me know if youre interested.
Youll find me... where the alternatives are.
;-D
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com),
March 01, 2000
-- (March@1.2000), September 27, 2000.
Hey, I've got a riddle. Whats the difference between Louis and a carp?
Answer: One is a disgusting bottom-feeding creature.
The other one is a fish.
-- Mr. Laffs (ho@ho.ho), September 27, 2000.
to da top,
feel better now andy?
-- (bite@me.now), November 27, 2000.
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