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On browsing thru threads I stumbled across Tom Bryant's "Again the HTML is screwed up. Is there a way to preview a submission on this site, like you can the ads?"
This is what I found out will work:
Just highlight and copy your submission (before submitting...;o), paste it into a blank text file (of any text editor) and save it as "whatever.htm". Then "open" that "page" thru the "file" menu of your browser. While the layout might still screw up, your links will be ready for verification.
As an alternative I propose to sacrifice THIS thread as a playground for tests before submitting to the correct thread...?! How's that? Just remember to save your submission (HTML and all included) at least on the clipboard of your computer before test-submitting. Otherwise "Kansas is going bye-bye..." ;o)
Finally, since Tom doesn't seem to have reproposed the correct link to his site, I'm going to do it:
Tom's site
Go there, folks, if you haven't so far! It is so full of advice, commonsense and a very subtle humour.
Cheers

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), July 29, 2001

Answers

I do a similiar thing but I use Adobe's web editor, GoLive. I type in the editing window, include my links and images, then select all the text and switch to the HTML source view. Just the relevant HTML is selected (none of the header information), which I then copy and paste into the editing window here. Easy! (if you've got a web editor)

-- Fergus Hammond (fhammond@adobe.com), July 29, 2001.

Though it takes a few extra steps, Lutz's procedure above does work. To test how a page will look, web page designers typically point their browsers to working copies of a web page - or entire "site" -- on a local hard drive (like drive C:) before uploading to the "for real" version on the Internet. Users of LUSENET can do the same thing. This can be especially useful for tables, graphics, and special formatting. Certainly this is not a practical when posting regular text.
INSTRUCTIONS:

For Windows users, use Wordpad or Write (both included with Windows) to create a text file on your C: drive with your complete posting, just like you would enter it here. Use whatever HTML you need to create tables, include images or other graphics.
Save your file with .HTM as the extension. Example: C:\TESTPOST.HTM. It's a good idea to create a folder for this because it's NEVER a good idea to cloud the root directory of your hard drive with miscellaneous files of this sort. So a better example would be C:\LUSENET\TESTPOST.HTM. The underlined portion of that is my new folder.
Open your browser. You don't need to be connected to the internet yet unless resources that are available only on the internet are being referred to with your posting. In the Location field (for Netscape) or Go To field (for IE), type the complete name to the file you just created. Don't start with "http://..." like typical web URLs. In this case, the URL is a local file, so in my example I would type: C:\LUSENET\TESTPOST.HTM. Press Enter and wa la. You can preview the body of your post.
Another - and much swifter - way to accomplish a preview of your posting is to visit Allan Engelhardt's post to the People Photography Forum entitled Ask questions with preview. This little bit of programming genius - affectionately referred to as a "post hack" by Allan himself, allows you to preview your posts with just a few clicks! You don't have to fool around with creating files on your hard drive, etc.
Let me know if I can assist you in any way with posting.

-- Tony Rowlett (rowlett@mail.com), July 29, 2001.

I went to Allan's post hack page, but to proceed to posting to our Leica forum, it listed out all 14,395,685 LUSENET forums in alphabetic order! Since ours begins with "L," it took a long time over my 28.8 connection. So for you, instead of waiting, just click on http://cybaea.com/cgi-bin/post-new.pl?FORUM=Leica%20Photography and you'll be presented with a form that resembles the actual form to start a new thread here.

-- Tony Rowlett (rowlett@mail.com), July 29, 2001.

One caveat: Allan's "post hack" to preview before posting works only for starting new threads, not for adding responses to existing threads.
Let me just remind you that, for 98.5% of our members, none of this is necessary because simple "text" is the only thing we use, so no preview is really necessary. All this is useful only when you're including tables, pictures, graphics, or weird formatting. Weird formatting can adversely affect the formatting of successive posts to a thread, so one needs to be careful to close any HTML tags.
Now... on to our regularly scheduled programming. (I shouldn't have said that)

-- Tony Rowlett (rowlett@mail.com), July 29, 2001.

Tony:
Alternatively, you could go to:
HTML Test
on this server to look at the results of your HTML commands before posting here.
Art

-- Art (AKarr90975@aol.com), July 29, 2001.

How does one post a reply in italics or bold text or post a web address and have it come up in color so that one can just click on it to take you straight there? When I do these things in MS Word and transfer them to this forum's 'Answer' box they all revert to plain text and any web address' I might of posted are not linked.

-- Sam Smith (Ruy_Lopez@hotmail.com), July 29, 2001.

Sam:
You need to write direct HTML code on the site. Everything is surrounded by <>
Bold tags are b followed by /b to close the tag; Italics are i followed by /i
For links, just go to view and source and see how it is done.
For CNN it would be:
< A HREF="cnn.com"> CNN < /A >
The only space inside the <> should be between A and HREF.
Hence; CNN
Art

-- Art (AKarr90975@aol.com), July 29, 2001.

Sam:
Note: that should be http://www.cnn.com. I have gotten so lazy using IE where I don't need to add all of the repeated stuff. It would be a good idea to practice on the HTML site linked above. Anyone on the board can correct dropped tags for italics, bold, color, background, font etc. If you screw-up the formatting, that is an altogether different animal.
Art

-- Art (AKarr90975@aol.com), July 29, 2001.

Thanks Art, I'll practice on this thread.

-- Sam Smith (Ruy_Lopez@hotmail.com), July 29, 2001.

hello there
or is it?

-- Sam Smith (Ruy_Lopez@hotmail.com), July 29, 2001.

Well my web link didn't work. I'll try again.

XTRA

-- Sam Smith (Ruy_Lopez@hotmail.com), July 29, 2001.

I'm having trouble with the web links. How would I post the following in html format?
http://www.xtra.co.nz

-- Sam Smith (Ruy_Lopez@hotmail.com), July 29, 2001.

Sam:
Your last attempt had the right code but you typed in the wrong address:
XTRA
Art

-- Art (AKarr90975@aol.com), July 29, 2001.

Art,
How would I type that address in lower case? I mean exactly what would I have to type to show the address www.xtra.co.nz?
Thanks for your help.

-- Sam Smith (Ruy_Lopez@hotmail.com), July 30, 2001.

OK, I'm going to try and post just my photography page. Those interested in physics or unix programming can just hit the home button to get a menu that goes to those pages.
Click here.

-- Tom Bryant (boffin@gis.net), July 30, 2001.

If you are interested the NCSA site has an HTML primer which gives you the simple instructions that you need here. We will give it a try. Linking to their internal sites sometimes doesn't work.
HTML Primer
It is a PDF or ZIP file that can be downloaded [choose printable version].
Art

-- Art (AKarr90975@aol.com), July 30, 2001.

Some of my first shots taken with the Voigtländer Ultron 1.9/28mm on a Leica M6

wide open / 1/15th
on Kodakchrome EPJ 320T
f 8 / 1/500th
on Kodachrome 200

f 11 / 1 sec
on Kodachrome 64
f 8 / 1/60 th
on Kodachrome 200

© Lutz Konermann 2001

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), August 21, 2001.

Al For you and others to copy the layout I'm pasting the HTML below. Highlight and copy, then paste it into your contribution window. Just make sure to swap my CAPS against your text leaving the "s untouched. Make sure you uploaded your pictures to the internet FIRST to be able to see if the links work. You may wish to test your posts here: HTML PLAYGROUND If they work, go BACK with your browser, highlight and copy your whole contribution and paste it into the right thread.
<
SWAP THIS AGAINST YOUR HEADLINE

SWAP THIS AGAINST THE FIRST LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE
SWAP THIS AGAINST THE SECOND LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE
SWAP THIS AGAINST THE FIRST LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE
SWAP THIS AGAINST THE SECOND LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE

>

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), August 21, 2001.

Al For you and others to copy the layout I'm pasting the HTML below. Highlight and copy, then paste it into your contribution window. Just make sure to swap my CAPS against your text leaving the "s untouched. Make sure you uploaded your pictures to the internet FIRST to be able to see if the links work. You may wish to test your posts here: HTML PLAYGROUND If they work, go BACK with your browser, highlight and copy your whole contribution and paste it into the right thread.

<CENTER>SWAP THIS AGAINST YOUR HEADLINE</CENTER>

<CENTER><TABLE BORDER=2 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=4>

<TR>

<TD WIDTH=150 HEIGHT=150>

<CENTER><A HREF="SWAP THIS AGAINST THE INTERNET ADDRESS OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE"><IMG

SRC="SWAP THIS AGAINST A THUMBNAIL (SMALLER SIZE, IDEALLY 150X100 PIXELS) OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE"

X-SAS-UseImageWidth X-SAS-UseImageHeight BORDER=0

ALIGN=bottom></A></CENTER>

</TD><TD WIDTH=150 HEIGHT=150>

<CENTER><A HREF="SWAP THIS AGAINST THE INTERNET ADDRESS OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE"><IMG

SRC="SWAP THIS AGAINST A THUMBNAIL (SMALLER SIZE, IDEALLY 150X100 PIXELS) OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE"

X-SAS-UseImageWidth X-SAS-UseImageHeight BORDER=0

ALIGN=bottom></A></CENTER>

</TD></TR>

<TR>

<TD WIDTH=150>

<CENTER>SWAP THIS AGAINST THE FIRST LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE 

SWAP THIS AGAINST THE SECOND LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE</CENTER>

</TD><TD WIDTH=150>

<CENTER>SWAP THIS AGAINST THE FIRST LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE 

SWAP THIS AGAINST THE SECOND LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE</CENTER>

</TD></TR>

</TABLE></CENTER>

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), August 21, 2001.

Al
For you and others to copy the layout I'm pasting the HTML below. Highlight and copy, then paste it into your contribution window. Just make sure to swap my SWAP NOTES against your text leaving the "s untouched. Make sure you uploaded your pictures to the internet FIRST to be able to see if the links work. You may wish to test your posts here: HTML PLAYGROUND
If they work, go BACK with your browser, highlight and copy your whole contribution and paste it into the right thread.

<CENTER>SWAP THIS AGAINST YOUR HEADLINE</CENTER>

<CENTER><TABLE BORDER=2 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=4>

<TR>

<TD WIDTH=150 HEIGHT=150>

<CENTER><A HREF="SWAP THIS AGAINST THE INTERNET ADDRESS OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE"><IMG

SRC="SWAP THIS AGAINST A THUMBNAIL (SMALLER SIZE, IDEALLY 150X100 PIXELS) OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE"

X-SAS-UseImageWidth X-SAS-UseImageHeight BORDER=0

ALIGN=bottom></A></CENTER>

</TD><TD WIDTH=150 HEIGHT=150>

<CENTER><A HREF="SWAP THIS AGAINST THE INTERNET ADDRESS OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE"><IMG

SRC="SWAP THIS AGAINST A THUMBNAIL (SMALLER SIZE, IDEALLY 150X100 PIXELS) OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE"

X-SAS-UseImageWidth X-SAS-UseImageHeight BORDER=0

ALIGN=bottom></A></CENTER>

</TD></TR>

<TR>

<TD WIDTH=150>

<CENTER>SWAP THIS AGAINST THE FIRST LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE 

SWAP THIS AGAINST THE SECOND LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR FIRST PICTURE</CENTER>

</TD><TD WIDTH=150>

<CENTER>SWAP THIS AGAINST THE FIRST LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE 

SWAP THIS AGAINST THE SECOND LINE OF CAPTION OF YOUR SECOND PICTURE</CENTER>

</TD></TR>

</TABLE></CENTER>

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), August 21, 2001.

I thought I let you be the first leicaphils to know about the birth of my accessory no.3...
The Slide for the Leica M6.
Enjoy.

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), August 29, 2001.

-- Andy Piper (apidens@denver.infi.net), August 30, 2001.

Lutz says he finds that the Leica rangefinder forces him to forget about DOF. I have the opposite experience. I lightened up on my use of SLR's in general, and AF in particular, because I find the Leica is more conducive to focusing by scale & hyperfocal distance.
Bob
You're hitting a target here. You might as well have said: Leicas force me to remember everything I've ever learned and understood about DOF... ;o)
Still, I think you and I are talking about different pictures.

Take this one here for example. It's a portrait of a dear colleague of mine, German documentary filmmaker Thomas Schaadt. As all of us picture takers he's a quite selfconscious lad. I had a chance to snatch this Sling shot of him while sitting in a restaurant. Had it taken an instant longer for me to concentrate on anything else but the precise moment I was after (ie. DOF, framing, perspective...) it would have vanished along with the relaxed expression of my subject.
I'm not saying that I couldn't have done a similar shot with my SLR. But that I wouldn't have done a similar shot with my SLR.
And I very well know that now and then I have to pay for my spontaneous lust of snatching views with a Leica in terms of composition. Take the plants in the picture. The tight alignment of foreground, background (including that tiny cactus flower blooming out of my friend's head) is nothing I could have predicted 100% by judging what I saw in the viewfinder when I clicked. For my likings I was lucky here, but I have been less lucky in other situations, with foreground/background shots, especially with longer lenses where perspective becomes crucial.
But all these restrictions do not outweight the liberty I'm experiencing and the lifelyness of what I capture.
And, yes, I did crop this one (a thing I'm absolutely not used to as a former cinematographer) because of a left-corner-out-of-focus-glass-on- the-table, otherwise ruining the shot, which I would have meticulously avoided with an SLR, risking to miss the shot... (get my point?)
Cheers

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), August 30, 2001.

Angelique - I am using the non-spot-metering reflected attachment that comes with the meter (basically a cap with a hole in it), which DOES read about 50 degrees, per Sekonic. I thought the M6 centerweighted metering (with a 35mm lens attached) read about the same as a 50mm frame - or roughly 40-50 degrees.
I should also add that one reason I like the Sekonic is that, in addition to the BIG digital readout (easy on aging eyes) it also has an analog scale across the bottom (in Leica 1/2 stops, no less) which I find to be more intuitive. E.G.
2-2.8-4-5.6-8-11-16 . -----------
indicates f/6.3

-- Andy Piper (apidens@denver.infi.net), August 30, 2001.

Every once in a post I stumble across links to GREAT picture sites I hadn't the slightest idea of. That's why I want to propose to dedicate this thread to this kind of links and make it an archive to grow in time. I'm going to post two other threads, one for our OWN galleries (which may be equally GREAT but nice to have in a dedicated place, for easy reference...;o) and one for links to phototechnique. Hope you'll enjoy this and participate. For everybody to make the links "clickable": copy and paste the HTML below in your post, then substitute my text with the URL and the name of the link you're proposing:

<A HREF="Substitute this text by the URL you're proposing">Substitute this text by the name of your link</A>

To make a start I'm reproposing Beyond The Fall - a photographic project by Anthony Suau on the former Sovietic block in transition from 1989 to 1999. An impressive body of outstanding b&w documentary photography in the tradition of great Leica masters, accompanied by most informative personal comments. Anthony uses M6s. The British edition of his book is splendid.

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), August 31, 2001.

-- Andy Piper (apidens@denver.infi.net), September 24, 2001.

Let's see how animated GIFs work...

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), December 15, 2001.

...flashy! ;o)

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), December 15, 2001.

Hey Lutz!
Really neat!! How can I pour a nice glass of red wine?

-- Michael Kastner (kastner@zedat.fu-berlin.de), December 17, 2001.

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wide open / 1/15th on Kodakchrome EPJ 320T	f 8 / 1/500th on Kodachrome 200

f 11 / 1 sec on Kodachrome 64	f 8 / 1/60 th on Kodachrome 200