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These people have died in 2004 from the dream I had on July 4, 2004. Except those with a star. They will die in 2005.http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00CXeX
From Can faith Stop death Part 2 Those who died already since July 6 , 2004:1.Eric Douglas (son of Kirk Douglas and brother of Michael Douglas),Age 46, died July 6,2004.
2.Thomas Klestil (president of Austria),Age 71, died July 6,2004.
3.Isabel sanford (The Jeffersons),Age 68, died July 8,2004.4.Georgine Darcy (from a Hitchcock movie in 1954 known as ms. Torso),age 68, died July 18,2004.
5.Susan Buffet (wife of Warren Buffet),age 72, died July 29,2004.(on July 28 she was hospitalized).
6.Jackson Beck (voice of Superman),age 92, died July 28,2004.7.Eugene Roche,age 75,died July 28,2004.
8.Sam Edwards (voice of tigger, rabbit ...in Winnie the Pooh)and Thumper in "Bambi","Little House on the Prairie",age 89, died July 28,2004.9.*Antonio Aguilar -Mexican Actor and singer. (Should have died between 7/31 and 8/5/04)
*10.Fidel Castro-President of Cuba (Should have died between 8/1 and 8/5/04)11.Rick James (famous for song "superfreak"),age 56, died August 6,2004
12. Fay Wray(original King Kong movie), age 96, died August 8,2004
13. Paul Garner"Mousie"(3 stooges),age 95, died August 8,200414. Julia Child (famous cook), age 91, age died August 13, 2004.
*15. Pope(of the Roman Catholic Church), (Should have died between 8/14-8/19/04).16. Maria Antonieta Pons (dancer, actress from Cuba in Mexico), Died August 20,2004, age 82.
17. Laura Branigan (famous for song "Gloria"), died August 26, 2004,age 47.18. Larry Mc Cormick (channel 5 announcer. I met him in person). Died August 27, 2004, age 71.
19. Johnny Ramone (from the punk group The Ramones ),died September 15, 2004, age 55.20. "Iggie" Wolfington, died September 30,2004, age 84.
21. Janet Leigh (from original Psycho movie.)Died October 3, 2004,age 77.22. Rodney Dangerfield (Comedian did "Back to School")died October 5, 2004, age 82.
23. *George Bush Jr.(President of the United States-should have died between October 6 and October 9, 2004).24. Christopher Reeve(did "Superman" character in the movies), died October 10, 2004, age52.
25. Ken Caminiti (player for Astros and San Diego Padres), died October 10, 2004, age 41.26. Julius Harris(actor. Portrayed Idi Amin), died October 17, 2004, age 81.
27. Howard Keel(JR. Nemesis in TV program "Dallas"), died November 7, 2004, age 85.
28, Yasser Arafat(Palestinian leader),oficcially died November 10(11), 2004, but was in coma from before that,age 75.
29. Ed Kemmer , (From TV program "Captain Planet"), died November 8,2004,age 84.
#30 Norman Rose, voice of "Juan Valdes" in Colombian coffee commercials).Died November 12, 2004, age 87.#31.Dayton Allen, The voice of the Magpies "Heckle and Jekyl".Also the voice of 'Deputy Dawg' died Wednesday, November 17, 2004,age 85.
#32 Terry Belcher (Son of Doris Day). I heard: "Beach Boys"- November 19, 2004, age 62.# 33 Rafael Eitan- I heard: "General, Israel". He drowned on 23, 2004,age 75.
# 34 Joseph Sisco- I heard:"Nixon". He died November 23, 2004,age 85.# 35. John Drew Barrymore. I heard : "Father of Drew Barrymore". He appeared in "Rawhide"Died November 29,2004 , age 72.
#36. Prince Bernhard. I heard:" Netherlands". He died December 1, 2004, age 93.#37. Enrique Salinas de Gortari. I heard:" Salinas de Gortari. Mexico". He was kidnapped and assassinated on December 5, 2004, age 52.
#38. Jerry Scoggins. I heard: "Hillbillies". He died December 7, 2004, age 93.#39. Fernando Po. Hear: Actor, Phillippines. Died December 13 or 14, 2004, age 65.
#40. Freddie Perren- I heard : Disco. He died December 16, 2004,age 63.#41.P.V. Narasimha Rao. I heard Prime Minister, India. He died December 23, 2004, age 83.
#42. Johnny Oates- : I heard:" Catcher, Rangers". He died December 24, 2004, age 58.I saw him with a Dodger uniform and a Texas Ranger's cap.#43. Reggie White. I Heard :"Football player, Packers". He also played for the Philadelphia Eagles and Carolina Panthers. Died Sunday December 26,2004,age 43.
# 44) Jerry Orbach died Tuesday, December 28, 2004 at age 69. He was an only child. Orbach seems to mean only in Hebrew.I remember only "Law and Order". He appeared in that T.V. show since 1992. He was the voice of "Lumiere" in Beauty and the Beast. He looked well dressed in my dream. His hands were in his pockets. He wasa litle out of the line, just like Eric Douglas was. Last one from 2004: #45)William Boyett, (from TV program "Adam 12"-1968 TV series , and voice of "Spiderman" in 1981 series) died December 29,2004, age 77. More Here at www.imdbThe Christian Yahwist
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-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), December 30, 2004
Those who will die between in January 2005 and July 2006:William Renhquist (Supreme Court Justice), Dick Clark, Sandra Day O' Connor (Supreme Court), Dr. Gene Scott, Antonio Aguilar,Saddam Hussein,Fidel Castro, The Pope of the Catholic Church, George Bush Jr., Clint Eastwood, Roberto Gomez Bolanos (Chespirito, El Chavo del Ocho, El Chapulin Colorado), Augusto Pinochet, John Kerry, Ross Perot, Ariel Sharon,Margaret Thatcher, Luis Echeverria, Queen Elizabeth II, Putin, Patriarch Alexei, Dick Cheney, .., ...Hugo Chavez.
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-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 04, 2005.
These people have died in 2005. They were also in the dream from July 4, 2004 as part of the line of death.#46. Robert Matsui,Born Sep. 17, 1941. Senior Democrat in the House of representatives. He was born in Sacramento. He was interned with his family because he was of Japanese descent. He died January 1, 2005, age 63. He was behind Orbach in the turn of the line.
#47. Shirley Chisholm. Democratic Congresswoman. Ran for President in 1972. Her political carer began in 1964. She looked very young in my dream.She had an "Afro". "I remember Black Woman, Congress" .She died January 1, 2005.She was 80.
#48. ** William rehnquist-Supreme Court Justice. Somehow he probably made a wish to give the oath of office to President Bush by January 20, 2005. He was destind to die between january 2-January 9, 2005.
#49. Spencer Dryden. He was a drummer for Jefferson Airplane. I saw him with a hat and dark glasses. I remember oly "Jefferson Airplane". He also played for the Grateful Dead. He died January 10, 2005, age 66.
#50. James Griffin. He was co writer with David gates for teh Group Bread. But his most famous songs come are not from the Group: " For all we Know" (The Carpenters), "Whos' Gonna Know"(Conway Twitty), You Can Depend on Me"(Restless Hearts),...He also started a group : Black Tie with Randy Meisner from the Eagles. He died January 11, 2005, age 61. #51.Amrish Puri. Famous Indian actor (India) from Ballywood (mumbai). He did close to 200 films.He appeared as the villain Mola Ram in "Indiana Jones and The Temple of doom", in 1984. II remember:"Indiana Jones".In my dream he appeared as that Character.He died January 12, 2005.He was 72.
#52.Ofelia Guilmain. Spamniard who moved to mexico. Did many movies. I remember her from "Patrullero 777" with Mario Moreno Cantinflas.And in "Te sigo amando" with Sergio Goyri.I saw her dressed in Blacl.She was 83.
[Added by moderator on 2/22/05] #53. Dan Lee. He was an animator for Pixar since 1996. He created animation for "A Bug's Life" (character: Rosie, Princess, Atta, Dot, Hopper and Tuck & Roll), "Toy Story 2","Monster's Inc."(Character:Waternoose),and "Finding Nemo"(characters: Nemo, Marlin, Bloat, Barracuda,...).He died on January 15, 2005. His obituary appeared on th Los Angeles Times on February 3, 2005. He was 35. In my dream he was partly covered by Ofelia Gilmain. The only thing I remember were the glasses, the word Nemo and that he looked Asian.[End of Addition. The following numbers were edited to include Lee. So Ruth is now 54 Zhao is now 55.]
#54. Ruth Warrick. She appeared in Soap:"all of my Children" as Phoebe Tyler Wallingford. She also appeared in "Citizen Kane" as Emily Norton Kane. I saw her dressed in a 1970s look. She died January 15, 2005, age 88.
#55. Zhao Ziyang. Chinese leader. Famous for Tienanmen Square in 1989." I remember "Tienanmen". He lived under House surveillance for the rest of his days.
#56 Virginia Mayo. I remeber seeing her with Danny Kaye in "The Secret life of Walter Mitty". She died January 17, 2005.She also did "White Heat" with James Cagney, and "The Best Years of our Lives" with Dana Andrews.She died January 17, 2005. She was 84.
[Edited by moderator on 2/22/05. The following person was added.] #57, Mary Woods died Saturday January 22, 2005. She was 87. She is famous for erasing a Nixon tape in 1973. The tape was from a a June 20, 1972 conversation between President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman his chief of staff. This was 3 days before the brak in in the Watergate complex that caused the resignation of Richard Nixon in 1974 and the famous "I am not a crook". Rose Mary had worked for Nixon 25 years since the 1950s. In my dream, she was partly covered by Johnny Carson. I only remember Nixon.[End of addition by moderator on 2/22/05]
#58. Johnny Carson. Famous Comedian. He had his show: The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson.I will always remember: "Here's Johnny". He died January 23, 2005, age 79.
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-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 24, 2005.
Elpidio,Ummm, just out of curiosity. Are you aware that credibility in prophetic dreams is based on saying something in ADVANCE of the event. Have you actually posted any names of someone who has died in advance of their actual death? So far, all of the people listed died PRIOR to your posting, except the few names you provided ahead of time and they haven't died.
Sorry to be so direct, but I'm really worried about you. You need to turn your life over to Jesus and stop listening to the angel of death as your source of information.
David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 03, 2005.
Boy you have some memory, I don't think I could wake up from *a* dream and remember all those names. As a matter of fact, on reading them NOW, I can't even recite them all back 10 seconds later. How did you copy them all down correctly? You should get a job on t.v. as "the amazing mentalist"Frank
-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 03, 2005.
There's a www.deathlist.net that has similar information as well as a prediction lists for 2005 based on age, frailty and fame.David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 03, 2005.
Dreams are just one part of me David.The main reason I remember this last one with so many people is because my mother is in it. She was in the line. She was past the middle of the line. So I know who is before her and after her.
Actually, David (non-Catholic Christian), you should like Frank be familiar with the dream about the Pope I posted in April 2003. That one also included my mother, President Bush Jr, and the Pope.
From the Catholic Forum http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00AlZm
Has Anyone had a dream about the Pope Lately
reposted at EZ Board
http://p221.ezboard.com/fthechristianforumfrm22.showMessageRange? topicID=10.topic&start=1&stop=20
Has anyone had a dream about the Pope lately.
This morning around 6:10 . It was the third of 3 dreams I had. One was about my mother. The other about President Bush.This one I don't remember quite clearly. I saw the Pope getting in his private airplane waving goodbye. He was dressed in white like always. I heard a voice saying : The Pope is only making 2 more trips....( plus something else I don't want to say publicly).
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonzalez@srla.org), April 22, 2003
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if it were true? i would be interested by the occurance. the fact that you had to change your prediction would keep it from being a definitive proof, but it would still be interesting. now, question: does your prediction (i won't call it prophecy, sorry) state that you think the pope will die before or after this trip? this is an important detail.
-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), April 23, 2004.
Well, Paul H. if 2 more than 4(planned) is 6 this leaves 4 possibilities.
A) 4-Spain, Croatia, Slovenia, Mongolia (anceled) and 2-Slovakia and Pompei
B) 4- Spain, Croatia, Slovenia, (drop Mongolia since it was cancelled) Slovakia and 2) Pompei and Austria in June 2004
C) 4-Spain, Croatia, Slovenia,(drop Mongolia) Slovakia and 2-(Drop Pompei since it is in Italy) Austria in June 2004 and Luordes in 2004.
D) 4-Spain , Croatia, Slovenia, (Drop Mongolia), Slovakia and 2-(Drop Pompeii)Austria June 2004 (Drop Lourdes for being only a city in France) and Mexico October 2004.
I go with A, B, Or C, leaving us something before November 2004.
D stretches it, but is not impossible. So this could happen before 2004 is over.
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-- Elpidio gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), April 23, 2004.
The Trip to Mexico was canceled, David and Frank.
So the 6 trips ended up being:
C) 4-Spain, Croatia, Slovenia,(drop Mongolia-never done) Slovakia and 2-(Drop Pompei since it is in Italy) Austria in June 2004 and Luordes August 2004.
My mom could die before July 2005 (from another dream in June 2003). Since Bush and the Pope come before her, and the Pope before Bush, this could lead to:
Pope dies in either March or April 2005.He will survive February's flu.
President Bush gets shot in either April or May, well right after Pope dies.
My mother will probably die in May or June.
Some of the people that were meant to die before my mom and haven't died so far by moving along the line:
#9Antonio Aguilar, #10 Fidel Castro-He cannot die util he believes. He already received a message from me.#15-The Pope-He already knew. Only person to skip death 2 times.Dec. 1998 and August 2004.#23-Bush Jr. Skipped death in October 2004.# William Rehnquist, supposed to have died in January 2005.
Dr. Gene Scott, Billy Graham should be before my mom.
Clint Eastwood,Justice Sandra Day ,Queen Elizabeth,O'Connor Dick Cheney, Kerry, Ross Perot, , ....Stan Chambers (Channel 5), Judith Valles,Hugo Chavez after.
Bush, the Pope, Chavez, Castro, ....know already.
I did not get my information from deathlist.
I got them from death himself. He was a black shadow telling something about each person.
I barely found out yesterday these people existed while searching for Rehquist. He is Number 7 in their list for 2005.
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-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 03, 2005.
From the line,Yasser Arafat was the first I actually mentioned publically. One was here, at ask Jesus.
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00CVMg
Notice the letter I sent to President Chavez of Venezuela in July 2004 right after the dream where I mention Arafat. It is in Spanish. But you can glimpse quicly the date and Arafat's name in it. Translator
There other names you may see from the 20th century.
Even you participated in this thread where Paul M. deleted my comment that Arafat was going to die. http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00CU7E
Arafat needs aour prayers. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-10-27-arafats-health_x.htm? csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), October 27, 2004.
Sorry Zarove, Arafat is not just an enemy, he's evil in every sense of the word. I could pray for his conversion, but not his recovery. He will likely see the fires of hell very soon. David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), October 27, 2004.
David, I think as Christians our desire should be to do all that we can to help others find God and see heaven. Perhaps a recovery could lead to that for him -- we just don't know. Praying for him is what he needs most, not people predicting he will go to hell (which may happen, but not what we should focus on). I prefer to hope in God's mercy that people may have repented, even if at the last moment.
-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com), October 27, 2004.
[My message was here. Paul M. deleted it. You can see by Steve's response.]
Gosh, I predict that there’ll be an awful lot more than 123 people die in the next three years Elpidio. Or do only celebrities count as people? David, Arafat is far from perfect but don’t you think you’re getting just a LITTLE carried away? “evil in every sense of the word”?!? LOL!
Emily, as he has believed in the one true God all his life I don’t think he needs your help to “find God”. Who are you to say that he needs to “repent”? Sure he's done some bad things a few decades ago in the course of his long life, but don't you think the fact he is no longer doing them is evidence he has repented of them?
Zarove, in what sense is he “our enemy”? America’s enemy? When we REALLY needed him he was the one urging his fellow Arabs to support America after 9/11, and even donated his own blood for the victims. Christians’ enemy? He has spent all his adult life putting all his resources into trying to free Palestinian Christians and Muslims. He even married a Christian! Hardly the act of an "enemy"!
-- Steve (55555@aol.com), October 28, 2004.
Did you check out the dates?
That's proof for you of someone from the line dying, David O.
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-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 03, 2005.
Elpidio,I have my arguments about churches, etc., but to get off that for a minute, when you say,
I did not get my information from deathlist.
I got them from death himself. He was a black shadow telling something about each person.
In fellowship and brotherhood, this really frightens me, as it does NOT seem like something God would do, but more like the actions of a demon. Have you prayed about this and asked God to show you direction, even if, and ESPECIALLY if it means giving up these "revelations"?
Frank
-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 03, 2005.
Well, Frank,Yahweh has his helpers, Frank.
Some bring messages of hope:
Gen 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.[Blue Bible=KJV]
Luk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
others of warnings:
Num 22:27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.
Num 22:31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.
Some bring death.
The Angel of Death is one of them. In this passage he is called the destroyer.
Exd 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite [you]. [Blue Bible=KJV]
2Ki 19:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses.
So death is one of God's angels, Frank.
Then there are those who will accuse of our actions before Yahweh.
Even Satan, if you believe th book of Job. Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Yahweh, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And Yahweh said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered Yahweh, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
I see death in my dreams. More than 60 people so far this way. 1 student.
I sense death in trances.13 students and 6 relatives so far this way.
I sense death or danger of death in people.More than 8 this way.
I see death as walking shadow, more like a cloud. I was able to save some of my students lives this way.
I either talk to the dead in my dreams or see dead people in real life.
I can dream the past or I can dream of the future.
I am talking about death so far.
Rod is a witness to some of these things.
He already knew about Udday, the son of Saddam being dead.
He knew of Saddam going insane.
He knew of Arafat before anyone else.
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-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 03, 2005.
Of the 3-4 names you've mentioned prior to their actual death, your mother, the Pope and President Bush are still alive - past their supposedly appointed time. And 'yes' Arafat is dead, but you've just posted over 100 names of people who everyone already knows died and claimed to have dreamt about it ahead of time - sorry, but I don't believe it.However, IF I'm wrong and you are telling the truth about this dream, then I can say without any doubt whatsoever, that this death angel is NOT a messenger God has sent to you. If the messages were from God, it would be 100% correct - PERIOD. So that's out of the question.
So the only choices left is that it's a demonic visitation or you're lying or you're mentally unstable and are hallucinating. I'll set the 2nd and 3rd options aside for now because I don't know you very well at all. Makes me wonder if your "theology" is so heretical that it's opening you up for demonic visitations.
I would treat this very serious if I were you and repent and return to Jesus Christ as taught by His Church and not your own personal interpretations which don't align with any true Christian teachings.
David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 03, 2005.
Elpidio,I just re-read the thread you referenced and the text of a letter you supposedly sent regarding Arafat - the thread was posted in November as Arafat laid dying in a coma. Dude, it's not tough to predict that kinds of thing. And there's no way to verify a supposed letter you say you sent to someone predicting his death. Posting that online is meaningless.
Sorry, but I'm starting to lean towards options 2 or 3. I don't think you're well.
David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 03, 2005.
I told Elpidio about the death of Saddam's two son and the survival of Saddam in the rubble, way before the events happened. Elpidio may still have the email. Coincidence? Perhaps. Does anyone have to believe me? No. But, I know what I know and that's about the extent of it..............
-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 03, 2005.
Oh, and before I forget.The burning church and aircraft in the burning barn, Elpidio. Now, look at who is running this forum. Is that a coincidence or a premonition? Why was it specifically you and I running from the fires?
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 03, 2005.
Actually, I was only addressing this death list with my comments. But now that you mention it, I can't begin to imagine participation on an online forum as warranting prophetic dreams from God, I mean, it's only a form of entertainment, a brief distraction and a minor one at that. Nothing that has any consequence at all. So to think God's going to send forth prophetic messages to lead one to this frum is bit naive.David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 04, 2005.
As with any prophet and prophecy, take it based on its outcome. I do not believe the weatherman, but only until the weather does what he said it would do................
-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
I have read how many people have attacked Elpidio for his "un- orthodox" views. Some have placed him hand in hand with Satan himself. I think that the reason he is viewed in such a way is because the viewers' beliefs are not the same as Elpidio's. But, is that reason enough to placing Elpidio at the right hand of Satan? Elpidio goes against the grain of Catholicism and mainstream Protestantism. He denies the divinity of Jesus. That's pretty strong stuff to stomach, yes. But, Elpidio isn't the only person in this world to preach his flavor of beliefs. Catholics and Protestants are ruffled up by many "un-orthodox" views.[To be continued.....I have a meeting.]
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
There are many shades of red.Am I to believe that there is only one color of red? Well, yes of course. The problem is that everyone claims to have the correct shade of red. Does that mean that everyone is correct or that everyone walks with Satan because of the different doctrines? I don't know. What I do understand is that one group will wear their accepted color of red while the other groups have theirs. They may all be some type of red. Is that ok? Some will say, "NO!". Can we then say that their red is more of the devilish type? For now, Elpidio does preach that Jesus is the Way. His red color may not be to our liking. At least, Jesus is still part of the picture.
And, we do have faith in God.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
Sorry, Rod, but there are some basic tenets of faith that are absolutely required in order to call oneself Christian. Those are defined in the Apostles Creed. Those aren't my rules, those are the rules established by the founders of the Christian faith. That's their perogative, wouldn't you think? The divinity of Christ is in there. SO if Elpidio does not believe that, then he can not call himself Christian. And if he is not a Christian, all the more reason to be concerned with these "dreams" he's getting. Don't forget, being accurate in predictions does not mean the source is God. Demons can produce results as well and are even willing to appear as "Jesus" to some who are foolish enough to believe. So if Elpidio wants to entertain demons because he's fascinated with it or whatever, at least stop fooling himself into thinking it's God giving them these dreams.I'm using very direct language, not in anger, but out of a profound concern. I don't think Elpidio knows what he's dealing with. If this is something that is indeed occurring in his family and he is followed by death everywhere, it sounds like he and his family is under some sort of demonic curse.
David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 04, 2005.
"So to think God's going to send forth prophetic messages to lead one to this frum is bit naive. "--David.I hope that I didn't give that impression. This forum is important to some, but it isn't a fulfilling of any prophecy. If anything, it is a coincidental thing.
We are guided by our faith into many things that edify God. Hopefully, this forum may prove well for true believers. It's all on how one interacts with others.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
Well, that's exactly what we need to get at. How can anyone call themselves a "Christian" if their is even one flaw to their tenets? There has to be one and only one truth. If one iota of doctrine is incorrect, then the wine is tainted. This sounds pretty much like St. Paul's justifications against the "Law"..............
-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
Sorry, my post is tainted. I keep typing "their" instead of "there"...........
-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
Is it ok to have conflicting beliefs in Christianity? No, of course not. So, is it justiable that we should equate those doctrines with being satanic?There then must be only one Christian belief. Only one. All others are not, even if a little "red".
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
Be careful how you answer.Because,
1. I will not be able find Salvation, but in only one "Church".
2. I can find Salvation in various denominations.
Those tenets of Christianity are scattered among the many flocks.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
I'm not saying that the Salvation is not found in Christ. But, the path is experienced through His teachings in His Church.Of course, others have expressed their view, which is very different.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
Rod,The Apostles Creed is accepted and taught in all Christian denominations - it's pretty small set of doctrines that are universal in all Christian Churches. There's lots of other beliefs that we all argue about, but not that core set defined in the Creed. You can't deny the divinity of Christ and be Christian. There are a number of cults and heretical sects who do just that, but no variation of Christianity can do that and still wear the label.
David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 04, 2005.
Then say it. If the church/denomination teaches a faith system based on the Apostle's Creed, we then can find Salvation in that church/denomination........................
-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.
I agree with that.
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 04, 2005.
Famous actor Ossie Davis was just found dead . . . hmmm, not on the list from what I could tell.
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 04, 2005.
More people from the line, including your famous actor, David. (I am using information collected from the LA TIMES) [Edited by moderator on 2/22/05 to reflect changes. La Motta is noow 59 instead of 57]Number 59.Vikki La Motta, born Beverly Thailer, January 23,1930.former wife of Jake"Raging Bull" La Motta, whom she divorce at age 26 in 1957.She famous for posing nude for Playboy at 51 in November 1981.She was 75.
Her life was portrayed in the movieRaging Bullby Cathy Moriarty wher Robert De Niro plays her husband.In my dream she had like a gown when someone poses.
#60. John Vernon. Canadian Actor famous for character Dean Wormer in "Animal House" in 1978. He had over 200 film and TV credits. He also appeared in Eastwood movies like "Dirty Harry" as the mayor and "The Outlaw Jesse Wales",.. He also appeared in "Point Blank", "Topaz",...He died February 1, 2005. In my dream he had a hat on.
#61.Max Schmeling. Boxer famous at age 30 for beating Joe Louis then 22 in 1936. He became famous in Nazi Germany. Ironic thath his coaches were Jews.
That are stories that claim he saved some Jewish people. He lost against Louis later in the rematch in June 22, 1938.
He became rich by working for Coca Cola as part owner of of a bottling plant in Hamburg Germany. He died February 2, 2005.He was 99.
In my dream he had gloves, and looked younger.
He helped pay for Joe Louis funeral in 1981.
#62. Ossie Davis. African _American Actor. Born December 18, 1917.I remember him from "Do the right Thing "(1989) from Spike Lee.
At the urging of Alain LeRoy Locke that encourage him to work with a Harlem Theater in 1939.He made his movie debut in "No Way out" in 1950.
In theater he made"Purlie Victorious " in 1961. He made friends with Luther King and Malcom X. Other films: "School Daze", "Jungle Fever",...He died February 4, 2005. He was 87.
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