I am very upset that the people who were supposed to deliver the grain mills have let us down. You know who you are, damn it. You're one of us. I have attempted to order the grain mills directly without success. If you are one of the ten people who ordered a grain mill through the cooperative preps, please email me as soon as possible so that I can get you your refund by money order before the rollover-- if at all possible.

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), December 23, 1999

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Stan, that's not a very nice thing to say.

You know that we tried emailing you, calling you, REPEATEDLY for a LONG time trying to find out what was going on with that purchase.

All that time, YOU left US out on the lurch.

Finally, we had no choice but to sell the dozen mills we'd been holding on to, along with mill #13 that you knew you'd be receiving gratis for putting the co-op together.

We gave you the contact information for the importer. This, as you know, presuming you had contacted them, would have allowed you to purchase them, delivered to your house, at approximately $17 each, including shipping. Presumably you would have either passed along the savings to the purchasers, or sent another "donation" to that women's shelter.

Tell me of ONE other person who would have extended a "Macy's Tells Gimball's" olive branch to someone, ESPECIALLY after having countless emails and phone calls (to both work and home numbers, I might add) go unreturned for an interminable period?

So let's not mix up who it was that "let down" the other party, "damn it".

But meanwhile, we're still waiting on a package of Aladdin accessories from you. Care to give us an update?

In closing, I don't expect you'll be thrilled to see me post this, but you need to keep two things in mind here. First, you know that everything I say here is true. Second, you fired the first shot at us in your post above. I'm merely defending the honor of my wife and me.

-- The guy who waited for you (You.know@who.I.am), December 23, 1999.

Beware of wolves wearing sheep skins.

-- ~~~~~ (~~~~@~~~.xcom), December 24, 1999.

Ron and Susan Schwarz,

Since you have decided to mix truth with fiction, I think it is only appropriate that we all know who you and your wife are.

I am greatly disappointed and dismayed that you two were trying to make a profit through the cooperative preps. I was not aware that you were trying to make a profit from the cooperative preps. I have left many messages at the phone numbers your wife provided and no calls were returned so I had no idea what the actual cost of the grain mills were. As a forum regular who realizes the potential dangers of the Y2K technology problem, I am *truly* surprised that you would try to make money from us. As for the supposed 13th grain mill, how do you know it was for me? I have two grain mills. The back to basics and the country living.

What are the facts? In our various emails and phone calls back and forth, you and your wife were not very interested in cooperating with me until I mailed you the full amount for all grain mails and stone conversion kits. There was no cooperation in sending six of the mills when money for six had arrived. There was no cooperation in having grain mills sent out from your place in order that people get them quickly. There was no cooperation in express mailing all the grain mills and conversion kits to me although at my personal expense. And all this, Ron and Susan, for a small profit of a hundred dollars?!

Say what you want, but the truth remains the truth. The facts remain the facts. And it is only appropriate that you two do not receive the Aladdin parts that you never paid for.

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), December 24, 1999.

Stan, it pains me to say this, but you're a lying sack of sh*t, and I'll be posting the emails to prove it to the world.

FACT: the initial solicitation to you *included* the words, "We'd also give you one mill gratis for yourself" -- and YOUR response -- with the original words quoted -- included the words, "The mill seems like a good idea."

FACT: the Aladdin lamp we purchased through you was well above what one would rationally assume to be a wholesale price. We presumed that the vendor was making money on it, and accepted that as reasonable. The same logic -- upon examination of the other co-op deals you marshalled -- applies.

FACT: I told you I wanted to keep my name out of the deal, and you agreed to do so. The fact that you violated that trust is now accepted as evidence that you are a liar, and a back-stabber, and undeserving of ANY measure of trust.

FACT: When we *finally* managed to get ahold of you, you attempted to CHANGE the terms of the deal AFTER THE FACT. You wanted us to deliver less than the agreed upon number of mills, but to maintain the agreed upon price. You wanted us to agree to handle shipping to individual buyers, when the agreement was that we would be shipping two sealed cases to YOU, and that YOU would handle the individual details.

FACT: You are LYING when you say that we refused to send you any mills until we received payment from you. You were told that we would ship as soon as you informed us that you had received payment for the one dozen agreed upon mills.

FACT: You demonstrate yourself to be a liar when you say, "I have left many messages at the phone numbers your wife provided and no calls were returned so I had no idea what the actual cost of the grain mills were." We do NOT have an answering machine. We DO have Caller ID. Hoist by your own petard, liar.

Furthermore, we CAN -- and probably WILL scan and post copies of our phone bill -- PROVING the MANY times we called and left messages for YOU -- messages that were unanswered for WEEKS.

FACT: On the matter of the Aladdin parts -- we've been waiting since NOVEMBER 6TH! We've asked REPEATEDLY what's going on, and you've left us out on the lurch.

SOP for Stan the Man, I now see.

So, I'm not surprised that you'd -- after AGAIN stringing us along -- tell us to essentially go f*ck ourselves.

FACT: on the "small profit" -- DAMNED STRAIGHT it was *SMALL*. We made that much on two or three mills selling them on eBay. Except, of course, while we SAT on them for WEEKS waiting for YOU to make good on YOUR word, liar.

FACT: We gave you the wholesaler info on the mills and the stone kits. If we were ANYTHING like the scoundrels you paint us as, we'd simply have told you, "Sorry, dude, you strung us along for TOO long, have a nice day." Instead, we did the unheard of, as a FAVOR to YOU and those who TRUSTED you.

FACT: You seem to have neglected to inform your BUYERS that you suddenly had a ten dollar per mill windfall. I'll let THEN contemplate the implications.

FACT: No good deed shall go unpunished. Thanks for stabbing me in the back, Stan -- I guess I was due a refresher course in that axiom.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), December 24, 1999.

Ho, Ho, Ho and a Merry Christmas to all of you as well. 'Tis the season for good cheer.

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), December 24, 1999.

I hate to say I told you so....but.....

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA, ok so I don't hate it, I LOVE it!

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Give me a break. How long does it take to get a months worth of food from Costco, for a family of 4? 2 hours??? maybe 3? If you are new to y2k, you are better of going and buying some bulk items yourself and not listening to the nonsense on this board, put out by extremists. They start out sounding rational, but will slowly guide you to y2k vendors to buy overpriced items, that you don't really need.

Use common sense and ignore people infected with Millenial Madness

-- Super Polly (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), September 15, 1999.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Truth wins again!

-- Super Polly (Fu_Q_Y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), December 28, 1999.

WOW! An eye opener! I learn something every time I visit this forum!

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), January 02, 2000.