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is this real?

Mike

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-- Anonymous, September 22, 1999

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Yep. Looks like it. They sent me a private e today and passed the reference test we sent up last June.

Latest thread...

Cherri, in short you are an lacking. What color is the sky in your world?

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001RlQ

Latest e-mail...

From [snip] Wed Sep 22 08:37:01 1999
X-Apparently-To: sacredspaces@yahoo.com via [snip--other identifiers]
Message-ID: [snip--other identifiers]
Received: from [132.25.0.208] [snip--other identifiers] Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:37:01 PDT
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:37:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: [snip name] < ccccixxx@yahoo.com >
Subject: second try
To: sacredspaces@yahoo.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Length: 840

[snip--ref to the passing phrase]

This is a safe e-mail address for us.

Since there is a six hour time difference for us we will be leaving work now and probably won't be posting anything else until we can verify some new information.

FWIW the impass for us and the icing on the cake was, people still aren't getting it, and Cherri was a prime example, nothing personal to her, it is bad enough when big picture can't grasp the concept of interconnectedness, but a programmer should have a handle on this from the getgo.

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Note: I keep my Yahoo e-mail header on the long form so I can see what ISP an e is coming from. Note the Received: from ISP... 132.25.0.208 and check it on the Switch WhoIs Gateway.

786 CS/SCBM (NET-RABID)
Unit 10045, Box 20
GERMANY
APO, AE 09094-4520

Netname: RABID
Netnumber: 132.25.0.0

Coordinator:
Rogers, Donald L. (DLR2-ARIN) DONALD.ROGERS@RAMSTEIN.AF.MIL
011-49-6371-47-6723 (FAX) (314) 480-6400

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

NS-OUT.RAMSTEIN.AF.MIL 132.25.0.211
TNSC2.USAFE.AF.MIL 132.25.88.110

Record last updated on 21-Jun-99.
Database last updated on 22-Sep-99 04:19:30 EDT.

Now, note where they are posting from in the forum...

1st message...

Having kept our mouths shut, for the most part, over the past two months we have reached an impass.

Yes, workarounds can be accomplished, in some circumstances only.

In the military, we have what is known as expedient fixes. ie: Use duct tape to seal a break in a copper water line, this will work in the short term, but place it under any substantial load and it will fail, unless a proper fix is put in service. Period.

What you are talking about and suggesting is that every system that encounters failure can use expediant means to fix their particular problem, a rube goldberg setup for the future.

You just don't get it.

And you must be very young and inexperienced to be this optimistic. Savour your youth young lady, you don't have many more days of easy street or daddy's money left.

Asked by c4i (c4ixxx@hotmail.com) from 132.25.0.207 on September 21, 1999.

DNS now: 132.25.0.207 maps to ... Curse.ramstein.af.mil

2nd message...

Carlos, why would you be worried about duct tape?

Our folks in the chemical industry have not given any assurances, however, we know of several executives who have made some recent real estate transactions in rural locations.

One of us has a rather interesting FEMA ID that gives him roadway access in the event of an emergency, in essence he cannot be detained by any federal, state, or local authorities, during an event. He was issued this last January.

This been relayed to us, that the intercoastal waterway, will be shutdown by the USCG during the rollover this will apply to commercial traffic only, apparently the Loran system is not as compliant as the USCG would like.

Answered by c4i (c4ixxx@hotmail.com) from 132.25.9.229 on September 22, 1999.

132.25.9.229 maps to ... ws009229.ramstein.af.mil

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BTW, its a group associated with the Air Force. And they are older and wiser.

A snippet from one of the June e-mails...

Here is breakdown of the team:
3 former pilots fighter/tanker/transport
2 C2
1 Intell
1 Med/Epidemiologist
2 Engineers
1 Disaster Prepareness

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Diane

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-- Anonymous, September 22, 1999

Toldja c4i was for real :-)

Everyday his/their original post gets more confirmation.

Besides, we were getting Air Force Reserve eMails that matched the info & tone ...

-- Anonymous, September 22, 1999

Kind'a thought you guys would hear from 'em.

We'll see when "they" get back.

;-D

Diane

-- Anonymous, September 24, 1999

Is it me or does that post to "cherri" seem like not too well hidden code?

My take is they are saying number one that there was a split of GIs and DGIs and it reached a serious impass. The nature of the impending problems are substantial and though some temporary, short term fixes are possible they cannot sustain themselves under pressure. One of these systems is the financial industry and there are few days left before markets fall and serious money is lost.

The next is very ominous and I think it has more to do with bio/chem attack. Like the Pres etc. are on high alert maybe?

What do you all make of the three posts regarding military alerts? Some of that seemed to go hand in hand with the Lord spreadsheet.

I've been a closet Polly thinking that, no, hoping that it would only be maybe a 2-5. I'm not feeling comfortable about how much we discussed before is actually happening now.

Mike

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-- Anonymous, September 25, 1999

I think these msgs from c4i finally put to rest Arlin's idea that this stuff was coming from an intern.

And their traceability indicates that c4i feels secure in his/her present position. Which implies that the 'split' is massive. That's not necessarily bad news -- maybe just the opposite.

FWIW I see 'Curse" as an acronym, not an epithet.

-- Anonymous, September 26, 1999

Whatever it is does NOT give me a warm cozy feeling.

Clearly, they are appearing to direct those posts from Germany. Somehow... I doubt that.

Diane

-- Anonymous, September 27, 1999

Don't "worry" about seeing a split in their opinions, rather, take it as an indication they (whatever the original and remaining group, and whatever part of the posting group remains visible) are actively discussing the issue.

Not being able to come to a concensus is not a failure, but indicates only that the issue is complex, and isn't reduceable to a "single" absolutely correct decision applicable to every circumstance.

A group from Germany? Likely, particularly since AF groups deploy even more regularly now with reduced people in the military.

The makeup of the group indicates (again) that engineering and "logical-minded" decision makers tend to be more "gloomy" than politicians and "people-minded" let's "ask-the-crowd-what-they-think-will-happen" political writers.

-- Anonymous, September 27, 1999

And another...

MRE's in Missouri

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001U2Z

Thats the original c4i...

Gary North's story is accurate with the information we have. The MRE's are not for the general public.

From a strategic standpoint, these caches are near the Mississppi and Missouri rivers, a critical thoroughfare and essentially the gateway to the western US.

Asked by c4i (c4ixxx@hotmail.com) from 131.60.151.254 on September 28, 1999.

DNS now: 131.60.151.254 maps to ... eagle.dcandr.ang.af.mil

-- Anonymous, September 28, 1999

See first MoD forum thread...

Red Flag: Why Paul Milne is a Polly Thread

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 000w76

-- Anonymous, September 28, 1999