Have YOU or anyone you know been threatened recently by DGIs who openly declare they may steal your preparations and possibly kill you to obtain them?

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This issue has concerned me for months. I myself have not received any direct threats other than DGIs stating they will visit me to get my food and other provisions. They have not evinced animosity, but there are others who know I am preparing extensively, and these are not my friends. They say nothing, but they know...

Do YOU have any first hand experience in hearing other people making direct threats against you in that if times get bad, they will be banging on your front door (or sneaking around to the back)?

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 07, 1999

Answers

Sure, several different people in fact. I've taken to asking them if they really mean it when they say they will be coming to my house to get my food.

Thin line between a joke now, and will they actually do something like that later on if times get bad.

Only time will tell.

-- Mitchell Barnes (spanda@inreach.com), August 07, 1999.


Here is the big bluff:

Tell any nosy nogooders that you are well armed to shoot any unwelcome trespassers. Survivors will be shot again. (Paul Milne's posted sign)

Will this posted threat be sufficient?

I myself will NOT shoot any people. I will NOT kill anyone who is truly in need.

But if a trespasser breaks through the front door and wants to kill me to obtain the meager provisions I possess, then would I be justified in killing said intruder in self-defense?

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 07, 1999.


A close friend told me many months ago that she wasn't going to stock up on foods after she heard a young male (a likely gang member as I recall) say that if he knew a family has stored up supplies, he would just go into the home, kill the family, and take their food. She lives in what once was a gang infested neighborhood.

-- bdb (cb_rex99@hotmail.com), August 07, 1999.

Randolph:

To your last question, yes you would be justified, and in my opinion obligated.

To protect your family AND your community/neighbors. As a full grown adult I think its our responsibility to stand for what is right (trying to be simple so as not to confuse the issue). That includes not letting those who would harm you AND OTHERS get their way. Presumably, if they wern't satisfied with your giving them your rice or soup, they've chosen their destiny and you should help them on their way. I look at it from a Biblical basis and It says "A strong man, armed, keeps his house."

Charity, yes.

Allowing thievery and murder to prevail, no.

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), August 07, 1999.


The current governmental spin is quasi-suidical. They know that most people will NOT prepare. But THEY are certainly preparing. They won't tell YOU, but we know they are making preparations to save their own skins. They want to be FAR AWAY WTSHTF.

Once upon a time people believed in the USA government. However, times have changed, and we are being betrayed.

And the majority is absolutely ignorant.

This will be a great loss...

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 07, 1999.



...poor Randy, another Y2Krackpot Doomer who hates himself and his country. I will save this post and stuff it up your sanctimonious heiny next year when Y2K peters out into nothingness...

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), August 07, 1999.

What a charming, caring young sproglet you are pro....

MUUUUUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahah ha ha

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), August 07, 1999.


i've had several people say, jokingly, that they knew where to come when they found out i was preparing. i told them, smiling while i said it, that anyone coming to my house to take my families food (essentially their lives) would be met at the door with a 20-gauge.

-- sarah (qubr@aol.com), August 08, 1999.

A pertinent thread from the archives:

"I'll just come to your house..."
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg.tcl?msg_id=000yHf



-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), August 08, 1999.

When they come tap tap tapping on my window, all they will find is the vestiges of a life gone bye.

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), August 08, 1999.


Mitchell, and anyone else who blabs about their preps and plans to expect the crowd to congregate by word of mouth to your sweet abode.

-- babbleonandonandon (babbleon@babbleon.com), August 08, 1999.

Wow! Listen to yourselves. Can you spell PARANOIA?

-- anon (anon@anon.com), August 08, 1999.

The grizzley that just walked by the front of my house should keep that problem to a minimum!

-- (snowleopard6@webtv.net), August 08, 1999.

I love this shit.

-- Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), August 08, 1999.

You're up late Jimmy...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), August 08, 1999.


Yea, It's tooooo late for Jimmy!! {8`3)~X:::

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), August 08, 1999.

Here is the big bluff:

It shouldn't be a bluff. Otherwise, if they call your bluff, they will kill you and your family.

Tell any nosy nogooders that you are well armed to shoot any unwelcome trespassers.

Survivors will be shot again. (Paul Milne's posted sign)

Will this posted threat be sufficient?

It might help, but you might just be better off laying low and not trying to start a confrontation or "challenge" someone who may just stockpile more weaponry than you after seeing your sign. Ideally, you shouldn't be letting people know anything about your preparations. The less they know, the less likely they will try to get to you.

I myself will NOT shoot any people. I will NOT kill anyone who is truly in need.

Then you and your family will probably die.

-- (its@coming.soon), August 08, 1999.


One of the most important preps for the more serious possibilities is letting the right people know you are prepared and that they are invited. Nevermind being thought of as paranoid or silly. Decide who you'd like with you, whether because you care about them or because they'd be useful or both, and be sure to invite them now.

No complaining about not being able to afford the preps for so many; if you think it is that serious then re-prioritize enough to afford it, because you'll be better off in a big group then a small group. There are over 3 dozen people I'd want here under those circumstances.

Have 3 dozen or more with you too, and worry less about uninvited people showing up.

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), August 08, 1999.


1.)self defence never requires an apology.2.)I highly recommend playing up on the "y2knutbag"stereotype.If you discuss your y2k preps with anyone,casualy mention your stockpile of guns,ammo,and antipersonal mines.Let that percolate in the mind of anyone who would entertain thoughts of looting.3.)I would recommend putting down a looter/rapist/murderer in the same spirit that you'd put down a feral dog.As Krishna said in the Mahabarata;"You don't waste words on a block of wood".

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), August 08, 1999.

If everyone lays down and dies for the first feral dog that comes along,we'll become a nation of dogs.You have a responsibility to survive even if it means sacrificing things that you hold dear.

-- zoobie the fey (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), August 08, 1999.

Thanks for the responses.

I intend to continue keeping a low profile in my neighborhood. No signs, no traps, no dogs, only tricks.

The Reserve Guard has their small base one block south of me, and I've pondered how they would monitor my city. I can imagine a checkpoint at the fourway corner. Good thing my driveway's north of that intersection.

I am amused by the ridicule on this forum, but I'm not amused when I hear it directly from rednecks where I work.

I do not want to enter eternity having shed human blood.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 08, 1999.


I do not want to enter eternity having shed human blood.

I don't know that there are many who really do want that, but we are entering a time where it will be necessary to kill in order to keep ones family alive. Keeping low and letting nobody know about your preparations will help a lot. Massing together in larger groups as suggested above is simply suicide. They will kill each other off in a matter of weeks.Staying low is the best bet, but it is still no guarantee that you will not be forced to kill to stay alive. It's still something you should prepare for.

-- (its@coming.soon), August 08, 1999.


Reading both sides to this issue is interesting. Are we extreme paranoids or is there a reason for our discomfort. I must admit, I have been made fo feel uncomfortable. We had a small farm in WI where we raised sheep, chickens and lots of produce. Long before y2k came along we produced the majority of our food. Our canned goods and stored root vegs lasted until spring when the garden provided again. We did rely on the stores for oil rice and sugar. That was no problem as I had a substantial paying job in Madison. This last year several "friends" have joked they would be joining us if Y2k was aproblem. This may have been funny to them but it wasn't to me as we work very very hard to provide for ourselves!! I'm not generally a selfish person but the thought of people who have never worked in a garden thinking they could just join us if times got bad was not acceptable!! The final straw was when a graduate student of mine (yes I was professor) said she asked her partner if he felt safer living in the city or out in the country as we did. He said most definitely in the city as the services were better. She mentioned we had ample food stored and his response was "so we could always take a gun and get it".. Was this guy a thug?????? No a responsible employee of the WI state government.

Any questions????

-- no longer farming in WI (ozarks@mnt.com), August 08, 1999.


no longer farming in WI,

There is certainly cause for concern in your case. However, there's no real need to respond to them at this point. They may be bluffing, or not. In hindsight, this is yet more evidence of the advantages of not letting people know your situation or degree of preparedness.

In any case, this simply points out the need for you to be able to arm and train yourself should their bluffs turn out to be real. Don't be a victim.

-- (its@coming.soon), August 08, 1999.


I just got an errie shiver, isn't this the same mindset for all those companies facing survival. Disception, smokescreens, promises, veiled threats, etc. Why should we expect them to tell the truth, when it may mean life or death for the company!

Reciprocity in spades!!

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), August 08, 1999.


Zoobie: I agree with you in protecting yourself and your loved ones even if it means life or death. But be aware that when you do take another's life you will never look at life or yourself as you once did.

-- Neil G.Lewis (pnglewis1@yahoo.com), August 08, 1999.

...poor Randy, another Y2Krackpot Doomer who hates himself and his country. I will save this post and stuff it up your sanctimonious heiny next year when Y2K peters out into nothingness...

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), August 07, 1999.

Y2k Pro,

Is this you? I find it hard to believe you would spew forth such bullshit.

Damn it, I will not put up with this bullshit. Whoever these mother fuckers are, they're clueless. I've been quiet to long. Shit.

-- MidWestMike_ (MidWestMike_@hotmail.com), August 09, 1999.


Yes it's me Mike, and since the Y2K Pro imposter popped up just after you posted this, my suspicians have been confirmed...

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), August 09, 1999.

Saturday at a supermarket checkout the young male cashier, seeing what I was purchasing, said to me, "Preparations for Y2K." (No question mark...a statement.) I said, "You got that." He then conversed intelligently with me while doing my big checkout. I hoped the young woman behind me was becoming Y2K-GI from overhearing this exchange.

Then I paid by check. This young man said, "Now I know where you live and I can come there." I said to him what I've learned from this and other forums to say...and it is true. "I'll tell you what I tell everyone who says that. I have a shotgun and a .38 and I'm a good shot, so you really want to go somewhere else." He said, "Oh, I'd only want shelter...I'd bring my own food." I said, "Uh-uh, I am not sheltering anyone who barges in." As I put my last bag into the cart, he said, "We'll talk again." His manner was frightening during this.

This scared the s--t out of me, I can tell you!!! I'd like to move once I've completed my preparations, and leave no forwarding address for anyone but immediate contacts. However, one cannot always do as one wishes. Whew! I've been alerting a lot of people to prepare. Which must I fear? Hunger and thirst are powerful motivators to attack and loot.

-- Obvious Reason (notcomfy@saying.com), August 09, 1999.


Saturday at a supermarket checkout the young male cashier, seeing what I was purchasing, said to me, "Preparations for Y2K." (No question mark...a statement.) I said, "You got that."

And that, of course, was your first mistake. Hopefully you have learned something very valuable from this experience.

He then conversed intelligently with me while doing my big checkout. I hoped the young woman behind me was becoming Y2K-GI from overhearing this exchange.

You should be hoping that she didn't have a gun, or a boyfriend/husband with a gun, or a FAMILY with guns, and wouldn't want to pay you a visit when they need supplies after Y2K. Then I paid by check. This young man said, "Now I know where you live and I can come there." I said to him what I've learned from this and other forums to say...and it is true. "I'll tell you what I tell everyone who says that. I have a shotgun and a .38 and I'm a good shot, so you really want to go somewhere else."

And you can see how well this worked...

He said, "Oh, I'd only want shelter...I'd bring my own food." I said, "Uh-uh, I am not sheltering anyone who barges in." As I put my last bag into the cart, he said, "We'll talk again." His manner was frightening during this.

He called your "bluff," although hopefully you weren't bluffing. Now he not only knows where you live, he knows how you plan to defend yourself and with what weapons. If he chooses to arm himself with better weapons, then you're dead. For your sake, I hope you really have something more than just a shotgun and a .38.

This scared the s--t out of me, I can tell you!!!

It should.

I'd like to move once I've completed my preparations, and leave no forwarding address for anyone but immediate contacts. However, one cannot always do as one wishes. Whew! I've been alerting a lot of people to prepare. Which must I fear?

All of them.

Hunger and thirst are powerful motivators to attack and loot.

Yes, they are. And that's why you should be prepared to kill if you hope to survive Y2K.

-- (its@coming.soon), August 09, 1999.


GreatGodInHeaven!!!! Why is anyone going around giving people (unfriendly people especially) detailed account of their stores????? I'd resist that little urge to go around saying, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah...I'm prepared and yer not!!!", if I were you. Keep it vague, tell people it's an issue to take seriously and point them to the sources for info. If they press for details, just tell 'em you're following the Red Cross guidelines.
I have enough of a charitable streak that I would feel like a true shithead, if I just pretended that I thought nothing was going to happen, but NOOOOOOOOOOBODY but my absolute closest friends and family know the extent of the preps my wife and I are taking.
Hey call me paranoid, but look at it this way: If nothing happens, so I got a lot of food...won't need to go grocery shopping when there's lots of snow on the ground. If the SHTF, then I don't have enough for EVERYBODY. What would be the point of blabbing it all over town?

-- Bokonon (bokonon@my-deja.com), August 09, 1999.

Is it just me, or are there really a lot of people 'round here who seem just a tad too eager about the notion of killing someone?
You only have to be prepared to kill if you've been silly enough to let everyone know where the goods are.
Just sign me,
i'drather@employ-a-little.stealth/Thanhavealotofneedlessbloodon myhands

-- Bokonon (bokonon@my-deja.com), August 09, 1999.

Is it just me, or are there really a lot of people 'round here who seem just a tad too eager about the notion of killing someone? You only have to be prepared to kill if you've been silly enough to let everyone know where the goods are.

Unfortunately, that isn't really true, although one can certainly avoid a lot of needless bloodshed by keeping quiet. Still, there will be people who will be desperate and hungry enough to take whatever you have at any cost if you happen to be in close proximity. If you are not prepared to kill, then they will most likely kill you and your family and take everything you have. It's not a pleasant situation by any means, but you still need to be prepared nonetheless.

-- (its@coming.soon), August 09, 1999.


I have no doubt that I could probably kill someone, if my life, or the life of a loved one depended on it. My observation, however, was about people who always seem to regard offing their neighbors as a first line of defense.
Maybe I'm just an old "hippie", but I think everyone stopping to think about this sort of thing, will go a long way towards reducing the coming nightmare. The hardest thing about all of this, will be keeping calm, when the lights go out. That'll be necessary, though, if we wish to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs. Gun toting apocalyptarians, advocating shooting anyone who looks at you cross-eyed, scare me every bit as much as power outages, unsafe drinking water and spin-doctoring feds.

Maybe I'll buy a gun, maybe I won't. You know though, if things get THAT bad, a good bow and arrow is probably a safer bet...a lot easier to make arrows than it is bullets...but I digress.

-- Bokonon (bokonon@my-deja.com), August 09, 1999.


don't shoot people just for looking at you cross-eyed.that's a bit much.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), August 26, 1999.

zoobie

I'm glad we got that clarified!! I was thinking the cross-eyed thing was definitely worth one headshot at least!!

Whew! Another impressive thread folks!!

Who isn't paranoid around here??!!??

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), August 26, 1999.


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