WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH ANDY RAY!!!!!greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Forum Moderators : One Thread |
Alright folks we have a problem. As one would expect Andy Ray has shown he has more than just a "scientific" interest in the Forum. In the next two links you will see that the problem is. Andy Ray discribed (below) the method of diverting replys to a differant thread. HA HA So on the "GI's dropping out" thread the replys go to the "A gift to Andy Ray" thread.
When do you (GI's) plan to 'drop out?'
Below is a thread started by Andy Ray (at Debunking) on how to do such a thing. I will leave it to your interpetation in regards to his well meaning posts.
You folk more than likely have no idea how bad this can get. You can screw with the main board on Greenspuns forum. All that is needed is to have someone drop black background gifs on there and we are fucked. And yes I believe this is JUST ONE WAY to majorly disrupt the forum. There are others.
Did you know that you can post gifs on the main board. I have even figured out a mini Prep form that can be posted on the Main Board. If someone is really creative they can do REALLY BIG DAMAGE.
This is one time I value having this moderators forum. I don't think Phil knows how easy it would be to kill a forum.
So here is the dirt. I would advise Andy Ray being told not to repost and to have this as a reminder to all that there are people that will disrupt a forum devoted to free speach. Also I have included a comment from Paul Davis, CPR, and Maria. And least CPR and Maria deplore the idea.
On with the show.
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Debunking Y2k webboard
Do not use this trick to disrupt the Hysterium - it is unfair...
Wednesday, 28-Jul-1999 14:12:1912.79.198.90 writes:
Do not use this trick to disrupt the Hysterium - it is unfair...
In any case, were I trying to disrupt the forum, I would advise their
opponents to utilise the following piece of code, which reroutes those
pesky DELETE requests to your favorite thread.Let's say, for the point of argument, that you wished to have a recent
post from a@a.a receive all the DELETE requests your post is sure to
generate. You could add the following code to the end of your message
to redirect responses to that message:< form method="POST" action="q-and-a-post-reply-form.tcl" >:
< input type="hidden" name="refers_to" value="0019JC" >You could aim this at any existing message for which you disagree by
viewing the shortcut to that message and substituting the last part of it for
the 'value' tag in the above.But, do not do this, as this would be truly
disruptive, and really beyond the pale in a
civilised debate.Regards,
Andy Ray
Andy Ray
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Debunking Y2k webboard
Access to a private forum?
Wednesday, 28-Jul-1999 15:35:4612.79.198.86 writes:
Debunking Y2k webboard - Access to a private forum?
Now, I suppose I could have been disruptive if I encouraged people to
disrupt the Hysterium, but I chose to take the high road, discouraging
people from using the snippet of code provided (which can be highlighted
in the original thread of this message, copied and pasted into your
response at the Hysterium, or saved as a text file for later use; much like
the arguments employed by the doomers at the Hysterium). And if I had
encouraged people to utilise this snippet of code, it would only take an
experienced programmer a few lines of code to trap and remove such data
from the database of each post...of course that would slow things down a
bit there...and that may be seen as a disruption, though I believe that's a
stretch. I suppose I could author such code - for a small fee.I also suppose I could issue some sort of 'guideline' of my own, stating
that if people do not wish to engage in debate at this level, they should
perhaps refrain from initiating such tactics - as I find it highly entertaining
to turn my opponent's tactics back upon them in any debate. We can
continue in this manner until one of us stops, and I will be pleasantly
amused by the distraction such endeavors promise. (This brings to mind
some advice I received while training in my youth with an Hispanic
gentleman who served as a US Airborne Ranger in Vietnam: 'If you
cannot [urinate] in the tall grass, then do not run with the big dogs.')In the meantime, let's see where it goes from here, shall we?
Regards,
Andy RayAndy Ray
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Debunking Y2k webboard - I did not think of that...
Debunking Y2k webboard
I did not think of that...
Wednesday, 28-Jul-1999 19:01:5212.79.245.131 writes:
I did not even consider the fact that there are a lot of other BBS's
out there utilising Mr. Greenspun's scripts - I think I'll go digging
some more...see what else I can find.Andy Ray
Andy Ray
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Actually, the most interesting results would be obtained by
Debunking Y2k webboard
Actually, the most interesting results would be obtained by
Thursday, 29-Jul-1999 00:16:2212.67.2.93 writes:
By a combination of javascript and Greenspun's tcl scripting. For
instance, it should be possible to spoof browsers into giving you the users
home email address, and thus their real name, plus IP addresses and other
info from the client computer. Then use Greenspun's script to do one of
his automatic emails to your email box and let you know who opened your
post! This would pretty quickly out all the trolls and mysterious posters.For that matter, I don't think Greenspun applies security to each post in a
thread, just through the thread header. Since you are actually looking at a
text database, simply accessing each post sequentially in the base 62
ordering he uses would get you all replies to each thread on the private
forums and the public forums as well. Of course, a program would have
to do that - I suppose you could have it index key words in every post as it
went and have a key index at hand good for every post made before the
program was run. That would certainly settle a lot of arguments over who
posted what.Thought of all that months ago, while studying how his software was put
together, and did not do anything about it as most of it seems unethical,
and the rest is quite a bit of work.Paul Davis
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Agreed. SUCH TRICKS ARE --> WRONG <--.
Debunking Y2k webboard
Agreed. SUCH TRICKS ARE --> WRONG <--.
Wednesday, 28-Jul-1999 16:24:24151.164.52.63 writes:
ANY HACKER could make a mess of almost any usenet or BBS.
The unwritten law of the NET IS: YOU DON"T DO IT.
There is such a thing as "right and wrong".
cpr
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Not just unfair...downright SICK!
Debunking Y2k webboard
Not just unfair...downright SICK!
Wednesday, 28-Jul-1999 14:52:42153.34.32.125 writes:
Andy:
For goodness sake, do you think you're the ONLY person with a
more optimistic view that has been mimicked by imposters? I couldn't
even count all the posts on TB2000 that I didn't post.Your suggestion, however, even though suggested as an unfair
practice indicates that you have few (if any)scruples. It seems that you
want to "win" your argument by any means necessary.I prefer to let the truth unfold. It's there to be had. Some notice and
some don't, but resorting to trickery is downright disgusting, IMHO.
Anita
-- Anonymous, July 29, 1999
Well it was a matter of time till someone got it.....
TBY2K SYSOP(s) ATTENTION PLEASE!!
For what it's worth I found this at debunks site. Sujjest
deleting any threads that have this ISP#. I never thought I
would be the one to advocate censorship. Ya never know.SNIP
Do not use this trick to disrupt the Hysterium - it is unfair...
Wednesday, 28-Jul-1999 14:12:19 12.79.198.90 writes:I have been wrongly accused recently of attempting to
disrupt the Hysterium. Lately, someone (maybe more than
one) has been posting using my name and email address -
but I cannot make out whether the posts are meant to insult
me or to further my cause of educating neutrals about the
character of doomers - perhaps both, in which case I can live
with the (attempted) insults.In any case, were I trying to disrupt the forum, I would
advise their opponents to utilise the following piece of code,
which reroutes those pesky DELETE requests to your
favorite thread.Let's say, for the point of argument, that you wished to have
a recent post from a@a.a receive all the DELETE requests
your post is sure to generate. You could add the following
code to the end of your message to redirect responses to that
message::
You could aim this at any existing message for which you
disagree by viewing the shortcut to that message and
substituting the last part of it for the 'value' tag in the above.But, do not do this, as this would be truly disruptive, and
really beyond the pale in a civilised debate.Regards,
Andy Ray
END SNIP
-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), July 29, 1999