Did you folks know that your fearless leader Diane J. Squire is deep into the Church of Wicca? which is a church of witchcraft?

Did you know that the Church of Wicca is a form of Satanism?

How many of you agree with that sort of stuff?

-- Chicken Little (panic@thebirds.net), July 28, 1999

Answers

Chicken, Wicca has nothing to do with Satanism. More power to her (pun intended). Have you nothing better to do?

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), July 28, 1999.

Myself, I worship my kitty cat. Her name is Queen Kitty Ho!

-- Chicken Little (panic@thebirds.net), July 28, 1999.

Strange thing for a chicken to say. It is obvious you are plucked.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), July 28, 1999.

i worship the ghost of my 11 million dollar,s

-- i know it (dogs@zianet.com), July 28, 1999.

Chicken Little,

Do you have links to verify your claims about (a) Diane and (b) the Church of Wicca?

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 28, 1999.

satanism and wicca?? get a life! or better yet an education! they love the earth and such.people like you... well never mind!! LOL!! that kind of made my day! how did you ever get online? why would you care who is what! last time i checked this was america! hey did you know so and so is black? jewish? indian? spanish?.. get a life! respectfully...eddy

-- eddy (xxx@xxx.com), July 28, 1999.

Wicca is a Neo-Pagan religion with many traditions that date to pre- Christian (and prehistoric) Earth religions. It is based on a deep respect for nature and the certain knowledge that we do not have the right to exploit it for our own gain. Wiccans are deeply concerned with conservation and ecology, and as in all Neo-Pagan religions, Wiccans believe that both animate and inanimate objects possess a spirit which forms part of the Whole. Note that they do not use the term "spirit" in the Judeo-Christian sense of a "ghost," but rather that essence which every object possesses that links it to nature and makes it an inalienable part of the universe. Wicca is a celebration of the life-forces of nature as personified by the Goddess and her consort, the God. Wicca is not a "cult." A cult presupposes blind faith in a central figure whose every word is regarded as ultimate truth, and the utter conviction that no other way or philosophy will lead to this truth. You would be very hard pressed to find a Wiccan anywhere who would blindly follow anyone else. Wiccans are historically very independent people who seek truth from within through rituals, meditation, magic, studying and communing with nature. Wiccans respect the right of everyone to worship in their own way. Wicca is not synonymous with Satan worship. The very concept of a supreme evil spirit is alien to Wicca. In fact, most Wiccans do not even believe in Satan. The devil is a Judeo-Christian construct and as such, it has nothing to do with Wicca. The notion that witches worship Satan was propounded by the Roman Catholic Church as it made its way across Europe, in an effort to suppress the native earth- based religions prevalent at the time. They succeeded to the extent that they drove the practitioners of these religions underground where much of their knowledge and traditions were lost. Through the work of the Golden Dawn, as well as anthropological and archeological research, many of these traditions have been rediscovered and incorporated into Neo-Paganism, an umbrella term for most modern earth-based and shamanistic religions.

-- SgtSchultz (SgtHansSchultz@stalag13.com), July 28, 1999.

Chicken,

Will you please share some more on Wicca? Did you ever research the roots of Christianity? Do you know anything about Anam Cara? Go back to bunk cpr/doc whatever, unless of course you have a point about belonging to a certain theology that would be relevent to this forumn. BTW, line two may or may not be true, but line three is utter bullshit. You been watching to many movies or something.

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), July 28, 1999.

Sgt,

You were posting as I was. Good accurate post. Thanks.

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), July 28, 1999.

Sgt,

Thank you for the info on Wicca.

Would you like a bite of my little chicken salad sandwich?

-- J (jart5@bellsouth.net), July 28, 1999.

I have studied and practiced Wicca for a decade and I can agree with the others here who know that this tradition is in no way related to Satan worship and does not even believe that he exists.

I consider Wicca to be an earth based religion which has more in common with the beliefs of Native Americans and other pre-Christian cultures than with Christianity with its ideas of Satan. You may as well say the Hopi Indians or the Navajo Indians worship the devil. In fact, Wicca was simply one of the native traditions of Europe before it was stamped out by Christianity. Some Indian tribes of this land were forced into Christian schools in an effort to convert them to Christianity. But some Indians resisted and kept their cultures alive, while the pagan cultures of Europe were forced into secrecy by the inquisitions. There has been a revival of these European practices which I have been a part of. There are many reasons for it, but one common one is that it provides an ideology which holds the earth to be sacred, our Mother. But whatever the reason, it is no more harmful to believe in Wicca than to adopt any of the other native, earth based ideologies, none of which promote or condone evil.

I believe that evil is discovered by seeing how a person acts and what a person does. I find evil in people to the extent that they are intolerant, cruel, thoughtless, and unkind. Attacking people for their beliefs, especially without stopping to learn the truth about them, in order to stir up trouble, is at least thoughtless and certainly unkind. If you do not like someone or agree with them, at least fight them on the basis of the true issues.

If you have been careless, and the victim of the widespread ignorance and misinformation on this subject, go and do your homework and return with an apology for your attack. And not just to Diane, who may or may not practice Wicca, but to the others on this forum that you clearly offended with your remarks. Attacking a person's religion is no less offensive than voicing similar ignorance concerning their race or gender. It does not belong in civilized company any more than we should tolerate racist or sexist remarks here.

I say these things in defense of Diane, in defense of myself, and in hopes to correct anyone lurking on this forum who may be misinformed on this issue. I am not advocating that anyone believe in Wicca or any other religion. I am simply stating that to associate it with evil and attempt to smear someone's character with that is mean and misinformed.

Lora

-- Lora Ereshan (artemis45@hotmail.com), July 28, 1999.

I'm a vegetarian but Chicken Little is certainly causing me to rethink that philosophy.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), July 28, 1999.

Hey Git;;;; Ever hear of food posioning? ;) Chix, what grade are you in???????

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), July 28, 1999.

In our area, the Sheriff's department tends to get a LOT of help in investigating suspected Satanic activities from the Wiccans, as the Wiccans have two vested interests in assisting. first, they have an interest in making sure that there is a valid distinction made between them and Satanists. second, they have a vested interest in cleansing the evil from the area.

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), July 28, 1999.

The more I lurk here the more I see the "bump in the road" proponants hanging themselves with their own stupidity. Don't they realize they are undermining their arguments with silly, absurd attacks?

-- Typhon Blue (typhonblue@hotmail.com), July 28, 1999.

Chicken BIG,

love to see you folks with an assigned AGENDA squirmming like this. Attacking Diane like this tells me you folks are existing on a short fuse. It also tells me your running SCARED. Which PR firm do you receive your marching orders from""

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 28, 1999.

Cluck, Cluck, Cluck, CLLLLLLLLLLLLUCK!!!

(snicker)

-- Hrumph (Get@life.now), July 28, 1999.

The headless Chickend rides his foot into his mouth again.

a, could you paste that priceless ID picture here again? ;^)

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 28, 1999.

Sorry CL, studied and do study Metaphysics, sacred geometry, aromatherapy, and ancient wisdoms including Feng Shui and *some* American Indian practices. Was never interested in Wicca, but my understanding is they walk on the "light" side. Prefer the Angel side of the equation, myself.

But... you wouldn't know the difference.

May the "force" be with you. Or not.

;-D

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), July 28, 1999.

Good answer Diane!

Chicken -- "Satan" only exists in the fears of Christians. Non- christians have no need to worry about Satan. He was just a bastardation of Saturn, so that all of those Roman pagans that the church was converting would have something to relate to, to be afraid of. The Church took a little bit from everywhere, they were not original.

Funny, the previous thread, "The 2000 Man" is about the Rolling Stones album "Their Satanic Majesties Request." It must be in the air...

-- pshannon (pshannon@inch.com), July 28, 1999.

Hmmmmmm --

Interesting strategy. Divide and conquer the forum.

I'll take white, extra crispy.

-- ariZONEa (col_sanders@the.forum), July 28, 1999.

sniff sniff, pshannon, you're right! *grin*

Except, uh, Satan does actually exist, unfortunately. He may not have named himself that, or may have different labels in various times/climes/cultures, but there does indeed exist a personification of evil force. However, it's best not to concentrate on it lest we invite it into our lives.

Those who, uh, don't think or exercise their minds, uh, or troll around to cause trouble, leave themselves open to tramp demonic possessions. Don't go there either!

Good to cultivate healthy thoughts and exercise wholesome will power for right, useful, helpful actions.

Ashton & Leska, caregivers who frequently see manifestations of possession in those patients on mind-numbing drugs. Dementia is an open door. Yes, our patient was committed yesterday. We deal with the nitty-gritty and we see what cannot be denied or explained any other way.

Now this is not to incite flame wars! Just the truth. And the few Wiccans we've known have been healthy, kind, caring, strong people who are active leading useful lives. We've only met a few, so we're not generalizing here. But we know enough not to throw stinkbomb stones at a whole class of people; it's false and hurtful and a karmic boomerang.

3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 28, 1999.

Desperate times call for desperate measures... why are the trolls getting itchy right now?

What, did their report card come back from the Rendon Group with a buncha Ds & Fs???? Their contract may not be renewed?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), July 28, 1999.

Affectionate Regards,
Andy Boy

-- Andy Boy (andyboy@hotmale.com), July 28, 1999.

-- chicken kablooey (see@ya.chicken), July 28, 1999.

Love the graphic, Chicken K. Diane can do whatever she wants, but Chicken L. is choosing a highly dubious and unethical means of attack in attributing a made-up background to her. You discredit your position by lying, ChickenL. Not that anyone cares since you don't have any substantive position, anyway, ChickenL, Andy Ray, Maria.

-- Mara Wayne (MaraWAyne@aol.com), July 28, 1999.

Chicken,

Maybe you should attack anyone with spiritual beliefs as being illogical.

You can't PROVE any religion is valid scientifically.

Go to it, you've got a few more religions to debunk, including your own.

-- mabel (mabel_louise@yahoo.com), July 28, 1999.

Chicken Little,

Your "outing" of Diane's personal religious beliefs is pathetic.

I happen to know and hold great respect for another woman who is a practicing Wiccan. Her intelligence, honesty, work-ethic, and compassion for her fellow humans places her near the top of my short list of exemplary human beings worthy of admiration.

So far as this forum goes, to me Diane is just another person who posts. I have appreciated many of her comments, but that hardly makes her my "leader."

To quote the old saying, "pretty is as pretty does." You're the one who looks mighty "fowl" to me, pal.

Later (much, I hope),

-- M.C. Hicks (mhicks@greenwich.com), July 28, 1999.

Wicca = a form of Satanism?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Diane = light.

Diane = goodness.

Diane = dear heart.

"Chicken" = Bad Taste.

Old Git, I'm seriously thinking of becoming a vegetarian.

Great thread by the way!

Mike

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), July 28, 1999.

Lisa,

Its interesting to note how the trolls et. al. really popped out of the woodwork, again, en masse, (practically overnight) attacking and slashing... after this thread posted...

OT?: William S. Cohen, Secretary of Defense: Preparing For A Grave New World (USIA)

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 0018ov

Synchronicity? Or not.

Curious.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), July 28, 1999.

Technically speaking, Wicca is not 'satan worship' in the sense that they actually are followers of Lucifer. But the Bible says that ANY who worship creation, rather than the Creator are without excuse (Romans chp. 1:18-32)

There IS one God, and you aren't him!

There is a hell, and all who deny Christ as Savior will spend eternity there!

The time is much shorter than you think; forget about y2k, learn how to have a relationship with the living Lord of the universe! y2k will take care of itself!

-- Biblethumper (Jesus@is.God), July 28, 1999.

Isn't it odd...with all the old threads that Al-d posted [and were deleted] in which he leaned heavily into religion [christianity to be exact], he has only posted to this one once, mentioning the money he 'won' but cannot have?

I wonder if it was really him, and if not, why he hasn't posted?

hmmmm.......

-- J (jart5@bellsouth.net), July 28, 1999.

Dear Little Chicken:

Wicca's association with Satanism exists only in the minds of the uneducated, unwilling, the unwashed and possibly the UNcola.

We're very glad to see that Diane is interested in metaphysics. Helps to broaden one's perspective. We figured she was so inclined by the use of "sacred spaces" in her email address.

Chicken, you do need to go back to school and do some learnin. A broad course in world religion would be a good starter. Later perhaps you can segue into eastern philosophies and western metaphysical systems.

More likely, you'll just sit back and cluck more of the same crap.

We'll see you one day when we visit our local Kentucky Fried Chicken. "One chicken breast to go . . . ."

-- kalani @ katiuska (kalani_hanohano@hotmail.com), July 28, 1999.

It is so nice to see you here again Mr. Little

Perhaps you would like to discuss the embeded systems in power generation and/or industrial complexes now. I well remember that you didn't before, neither here nor when I asked you if you wanted to, over at the csy2k forum.....

I did have Mr Poole chastise me for ever believing that you would pass yourself off as an expert (with one year's experiece) on power generation complexes. Mr. Poole was very eliquent in infroming me that you would never do such a thing. Then Mr. Poole ignored my offer for him to put on a pair of steel toes boots and a hard hat (metaphorically speaking of course) and he and I would walk through a system run up also.

Mr. Decker? He took the same course as you did..

Ladies and gentlemen there is/was a purpose to my request/offer to these people. The embeded systems ARE the biggest part of y2k...And there is reasons why they' be a problem, again and again for about 24 months.

The recent second explosion at the Chevron refinery in California is an excellent example, and easily explained...The embeded systems are not all brought on line at once, they are tested, calibrated etc. as they are installed. one system at a time. Thusly the RTC of a chip WILL be at it's 2000 at a different actual time than the others...The first tested wil be the first to hit their " infinity" date..then the next...and so on and so on etc.

But I am indeed glad to see you back Mr. Little, you do so provide me with so much comic relief..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), July 28, 1999.

nope the above post ain,t me.someone out there has an envy=problem.by the way-for all the tree huggers'how come nature is rebelling?ain,t your prayer,s getting thru? and for you who say satan ain,t real. WHO tempted ADAM & EVE?--oh well=too each his own.

-- yurpal al (dogs@zianet.com), July 28, 1999.

al d wrote,

for all the tree huggers'how come nature is rebelling?ain,t your prayer,s getting thru?

Maybe they are : )

It's all a matter of perspective.

Mike

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), July 28, 1999.

pshannon wrote:

"Satan" only exists in the fears of Christians. Non-christians have no need to worry about Satan. He was just a bastardation of Saturn, so that all of those Roman pagans that the church was converting would have something to relate to, to be afraid of. The Church took a little bit from everywhere, they were not original.

Sorry, Patrick, but you're wrong about this one. The Hebrew Scriptures, which were written centuries before the early Church, speak of HaSatan ("THE Adversary"). He is mentioned twelve times in the Tanakh (Job 1:6-9, 12; 2:1-4, 6-7; Zec. 3:2). His identity was confirmed by the Jewish New Testament authors who wrote in the first century A.D.

While Satan may have later been identified with Saturn by former pagans who came into the Church, he most certainly existed prior to that time according to the Hebrew Scriptures and other writings.

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), July 28, 1999.

I worship Gaia, and The Voice of the Planet is my Bible. But...after reading about Wicca, it does sound verrrry interesting. Thanks for posting about it.

Oh, and I do love chickens. I wish chickens would stage a revolt at those horrible factory farms.

-- gillda (jess@listbot.com), July 28, 1999.

I say lets SACRIFICE a certain Chicken ....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), July 28, 1999.

I'd just like to add (on the subject of trolls coming out and disrupting):

How come we've not seen anything from Little since the first post. These trolls just get out a ridiculous post and then scram at light speed. Come on Little, you aren't Chicken are ya? :<| Aren't you even going to respond?

I'll take mine white, extra crispy too. (It'd be nice to have some real, fresh chicken in Y2K)

-- Jim (x@x.x), July 28, 1999.

I know what I saw. And, I knew it's nature. Evil is a force and it is also has a discrete personality within physically-describeable, visually-perceived boundaries. And, I know it dosen't have my best interests at heart. It's not a level playing field. It is the ultimate, self-destructive ego-centric delusion to believe the existance of spiritual reality is inherently dependent upon "belief." What you don't know - can hurt you.

-- Procopious (whynot@zog.net), July 29, 1999.

HUMOR ONLY:

Does this mean that Diane should be called the....

Drumroll please.....

"Blaring Witch Project"?

Lovingly signed,

A BIFFY POSTER

-- Humor Monger (need@humor.tolive), July 30, 1999.