When Cristoforo Colombo left Palos (Spain) in August 1492 he knew he would get to 'India and China' by sailing westward. The expertise he had gained as an experimented Admiral allowed him to understand what others could not. But he wouldn't "show them the money" until he got there and came back with stuff and some 'Indians', of course. He thought he could make the trip in three weeks time.
After three weeks of travel, mutiny arose on the "Niqa" (the smallest of the three ships of his expedition), as disbelief became suddenly rampant with no 'results' at hand. The Pinzsn brothers were instrumental in convincing the sailors that Colombus was right (he was from Genoa, Italy, and he spoke half-broken Spanish) thus postponing the revolt for a while. But the same thing happened some time later at the second ship, the "Pinta", and things were just about to get out of hand when Rodrigo de Triana atop the mast of the "Santa Marma" shouted "LAAAAAAAAAANNNDD" so loud and so convincing that confrontation turned into celebration in all three ships, simultaneously, thus changing the history of mankind.
The analogy with Y2K is striking. Ed Yourdon is Columbus, and he has
made some 'mistakes', the most conspicuous of which are that the Jo Anne effect and certain announced trigger dates did not have any apparent consequences. Chris Columbus himself made the mistake of calculating that he would get to 'India' in three weeks. Well, he didn't, but he still discovered America. Was it India? No. Was it China? No. But he still discovered what has turned out to be the most revolutionary discovery of the Millenium, more important for mankind than India and China put together. Was Colombus the very first one to propose the existence of a New World out there? No, the Vikings had actually been there way before him, but the Viking economy didn't count for the powers that were at that time. Still, Columbus discovered America, whatever we made of it. And Ed Yourdon has been the leader of Y2K, whatever it turns out to be, including the dramatic possibility of a New World Order. We have now just passed
the equivalent of 'three weeks' time and everybody presses Ed for proof. Still, let's not lose sight of the fact that the matter at hand is Y2K, i.e., the year 2000 problem.
-- George (jvilches@sminter.com.ar), July 22, 1999
Answers
I wonder if all you Yourdon flunkies will feel the same way when your
ship is sinking with no land in sight and Ed is sailing comfortably
into the future on his own little life boat, lined with the money he
raised from people who were trusting enough to think that Ed Yourdon
is another Chris Columbus.
-- (doomers@suck.com), July 22, 1999.
George has posted a reasoned, thoughtful, innovative piece; the DS
post has no redeeming value. Several requests are necessary before a
delete can be performed, please regulars, add your votes. Could we
please make this an automatic delete of ANYthing this unfortunate
person posts?
Sysops: one vote for automatic delete of anything posted by
Doomers@suck and any other noms de plume coming from the same ISP.
-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), July 22, 1999.
Yes, yes! While I am a strong advocate of free speech, that does not
necessarily mean we have to suffer the vicious comments from "doomers
suck" at this particular forum. It's a waste of bandwidth and time.
People we are in the end game, so realize what that means: every day
is precious and the results of y2k, for good or for bad, are now
locked in place. Please block/delete him. Keeping him just provokes
flame wars and nothing useful comes of it.
-- Sure M. Worried (SureMWorried@bout.y2k.coming), July 22, 1999.
Being a "moderate doomer", I'm no DS fan, but I fear censorship is a
slippery-slope...
-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 22, 1999.
I agree,Delete! The Sucker does not make a contribution to or ask
reasonable questions of this forum.
-- Roger (pecosrogX@earthlink.net), July 22, 1999.
Good Lord you people are NOT tolerant of opinions that don't match
your own aren't you? Delete everything I write on this BB from now
'cause you don't like it?
Okay dokey, where is your Diane to squash the ugly truth when you
need her?
(Besides, George posted *opinion*, I posted *opinion*, I guess men
are created equal but not everyone has the right to be heard
equally. Typical Doomer Disconnect to the n-th degree. If the truth
(or anything we don't *like*) hurts, delete it from sight, that is
the Doomer Cult Motto)
-- (doomers@suck.com), July 22, 1999.
I might add that Biffy, Debunker, and c.s.y2k never delete anyone no
matter where they stand on the issue of y2k. Everyone gets a fair
share and a place to voice their opinions. But here? No man, you
got to keep tabs on anything that threatens your little (manson)
family here.
Well Midwest Mike, where are you when your people need you? They are
crying for moderation pardner, isn't it just about time you ran me
out of town before sundown?
-- (doomers@suck.com), July 22, 1999.
Just as his last few responses show, DS adds NOTHING intellectually
to this discussion, but is expert at creating mini-dramas that waste
our time.If I wanted to hear ego and self-serving BS, I would tune
into Clinton!LOL...
My vote.. give DS the ole heave ho.
-- River (riverwn@aol.com), July 22, 1999.
Dear Mr. Suck:
(1) Sir, what you suggest won't happen simply because it can't happen.
Us Doomers sir, we will just eat our mistakes (literally) as we have
plenty of good food and supplies for ourselves and our dear ones.
That's our advantage. If you sucking pollies are wrong sir, you will
suffer greatly instead (die maybe? depending upon circumstances?).
And in the rare event that Ed Yourdon is completely and absolutely
wrong (which is obviously not the case, he has done no harm and he
will still go on to discover "India and China" that would still be
there on the other side of the ocean, in this case meaning the wide
respect gained from everyone in his sincere and constructive attempt
to warn and help the the world prepare for the probable negative
consequences of a technological mistake he has helped to place in the
category of "Never to be ever repeated again". This 'India and
China' that would await Ed in the rare event that he does not
discover some sort of 'America' would necessarily lead to a complete
revision of technological development considerations, the
establishment of new and revolutionary rules of the game concerning
the impact of short term vs. long term business philosophies, a total
overhaul of the concept of "bottom line", etc., etc., and many other
unforeseens difficult to describe same as Columbus found it difficult
to describe what his unknown westward travel would be like or what it
would eventually end up revealing or meaning for Western civilization.
Sir, I admire Ed Yourdon and I envy his intelligence, his
capabilities, his courage, his common sense, and his patience.
(2) Sir, instead, you suck sir.
Yours truly
-- George (jvilches@sminter.com.ar), July 22, 1999.
Great post George.
I think the DS post (Git, did you mean doomer@suck or dumb shit?)
should stay, as it frames the polly mindset so well.
-- a (a@a.a), July 22, 1999.
D.S.
Opinion can be freely expressed by anyone here positive OR negative
with respect to Y2k.
Opinions positive or negative containing personal insults should be
deleted.
This means 99% of YOUR postings should be deleted.
-- justme (justme@justme.net), July 22, 1999.
To Mr. Suck:
How are you going to feel when you are out of a job; have no food and
no water and Bill Gates is ensconsed on his island safe and secure
from the devestation that his technology helped bring about? AND YOU
HELPED PAY FOR IT!
-- Nadine Zint (nadine@hillsboro.net), July 22, 1999.
Mark Twain once opined that the good Lord puts everyone on this earth for a purpose, even if it is just to serve as a bad example. Mr.
Sucks has now fulfilled his purpose for this forum and should get the boot. Permanently.
-- Peter Errington (petere@ricochet.net), July 22, 1999.
No it's okay guys really. I had the nerve to mock your little
tin God Yourdone-fer and you can't stand it.
Well b-o-o h-o-o
-- (doomers@suck.com), July 22, 1999.
The volume of flaming and suck-type posting has increased recently.
Don't you wonder why? The statement that the debunkers treat all
posters the same is laughable. They may not delete the posts, but
they shout and belittle everyone and bask in their self-proclaimed
righteousness. BTW, suck, Ed is not my hero, mentor or prophet. I
don't allow anyone to form my opinions. I respect him for taking a
stand and opening himself up to the abuse he has endured. At least
he has the balls to make a coherent analysis, offer an educated
OPINION of what might happen, and admit he was wrong.
The debunkers have the luxury of the Jan 1 deadline. They can rant
and rave in the meantime. If the worst comes to pass, they won't have
to tolerate the gloating of the doomers. Until then, no one can be
right or wrong, it's all speculation. It's a real cowardly way to
argue, and the debunkers have mastered it.
So, suck, go back to debunkers and worship CPR and tell him what a
good little moron you've been. Tell the other four people that post
there too. There is so much ass kissing over there, it's pathetic.
Let's hear your predictions "suck". Put your money where your mouth
is and tell me what the value of the DOW will be in December. Tell
me whether there will be bank runs. Tell me if there will be nuclear
accidents, chemical spills, etc. Predict the price of gold in
December. Can't do it? What a surprise! Yet this is the type of
nonsense you demand from those who GI?
Andy Ray is a pompous windbag who happened to get a thesuarus for his
birthday. Poole is now banished to being ridiculed at CSY2K, and is
pathetic in his attempts to knock Ed for writing a book and profiting
from Y2K, as he practically begs people to visit his sorry website.
Decker is jealous of Poole and has submitted his diatribe to Ed so
that he too may gain some legitimacy. "As a public figure in the Y2K
debate..." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I think you're overestimating your
importance to the human race, sir.
The debunkers are a pitiful group of pseudointellectual morons, and
their desperation grows with the release of every GAO report, CIA
study and other piece of evidence they are choosing to ignore.
DoomersSuck has mastered the art of diverting the real focus of the
forum, and thus far this is his only legitimate success.
-- ariZONEa (debunkers_swallow@_._), July 22, 1999.
DSuck has posted a tally-ho over at Debunking so expect the trolls to
descend for a feeding frenzy any time. Sorry George, your post is a
keeper. Hope the sysop can take out the garbage and leave only the
good subject matter.
-- Chicken Big (preparing@means.no.panic), July 22, 1999.
AriZONEa, good post.
We should add this little jewel from Paul Davis at the Bunker, "Ok,
all you doomers who lurk over here, I have a question for you to
answer. Yes, this is for Old Git/Outings/Squirrel and whoever she is
today, and Will Continue and Diane and Ed Yourdon for that
matter. I want you all to answer one simple question".
They actually believe that Ed lurks at their slime pit. HAHAHahahaha
-- (chuckling) ((laughing)@them.now), July 22, 1999.
If the Time Bomb 2000 Gestapo starts to censor anyone with a
difference of opinion, then this forum needs to fold immediately.
-- speakyourmind (speakyourmind@speak.com), July 22, 1999.
Why doomers.suck expresses nasty idiotic views:
-- he (was@an.experiment), July 22, 1999.
Hey excuse me,
Ed Yourdon = Christopher Columbus?
It is, as they say, to laugh.
Your all idolizing this guy and even though he has failed you again
and again, big time. You make him sound like he's the
Discoverer/Conquerer of Y2K too, and your noble Saviours to boot.
(Hey Will Continue, "noble Savior", ring a bell? off with
their...hoods!)
I'm telling you the original post is as funny as they come, I thought
the Debunker site needed a laugh.
(snip)
The analogy with Y2K is striking. Ed Yourdon is Columbus, and he
has made some 'mistakes',the most conspicuous of which are that
the Jo Anne effect and certain announced trigger dates did not
have any apparent consequences
(end snip)
Yeah, my point exactly.We all know how dangerous those un-
apparent consequences can be.
-- (doomers@suck.com), July 22, 1999.
What a bunch of hypocrites! Look at the thread George posted just
before this one.
ED YOURDON and Flint agree on y2k
Nothing of real value, just a bunch of Flint bashing. And of course,
Will Continue chimes in with some low brow name calling.... "worm-
eating-weasel".... "panty sniffer".
Gosh, what a poignant discussion. Apply the same standards to doomer
trolls, and I'll support the censorship.
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
Please 'flush' Doomer.
-- Wilferd (WilferdW@aol.com), July 22, 1999.
Bob has it right on! Censor the doomers too!
-- YeeeeeeGads (YeeeGads@YeeGads.com), July 22, 1999.
Mr Suck,
I didn't need Ed Yourdon as a "god" or anything. I
worship G-d, not man, not Bill Gates (or Bill Clinton).
I "GOT IT"
because I live in a major city where the Mayor and City Council even
now are playing the 'emergency measures/new downtown holels/taxpayers
expense/sued by public interest groups' politics as usual, all the
while the water and sewer systems won't
be fixed 'till Christmas, leaving a WHOLE WEEK for testing!!!
-- K. Stevens (kstevens@It's ALL going away in January.com), July 22, 1999.
Leave DS alone and quit wasting your time on his type. DS's always
good for a tsk-tsk, and s/he'll make funny reading when the dust has
settled.
Censorship is tricky, suffers from scope creep, and is not needed.
-- bw (home@puget.sound), July 22, 1999.
Clean up html, perhaps?
-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), July 22, 1999.
Delete,Doomer sucks
-- Daryll (twinck@wfeca.net), July 22, 1999.
clean up NOW! (??)
-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), July 22, 1999.
Help Gayla. Two tries and I'm done. we're all in the center again
and I can't seem to clear it.
c
-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), July 22, 1999.
George:
Please don't eat your supplies, even if they are mistakes. Now that
you've learned to live a prepared lifestyle, keep being prepared, the
WILL be another crisis of some sort. Maybe a major depression in late
2000.
-- walt (walt@lcs.k12.ne.us), July 22, 1999.
Oh, and now she (WC) calls someone with the handle "speakyourmind",
"spewyourmind". Can someone tell me why no one objects when doomers
like Will Continue use these tactics? Because she is on "your" side?
What is it that this forum really wants? What are you objecting to
with the pollies? Is it name calling, or just the different opinion of
what the results of Y2K will be? If it's the name calling, we need to
remember what they say about glass houses. If we just don't want to
hear good news, well, that's another story. Let's get it out in the
open, and once and for all decide.
If it's name calling and denigration, what do we do about people like
Will continue, who to my knowlefge, has contributed little else to
this forum?
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
Please block "Sucksself" from posting again on these forums. He is an
oxygen thief (wastes perfectly good O2 by breathing it) and 99.999%
of the space used for his posts would be far better used as
Amway/Miracle Wrinkle Cream/beverage ethanol/nicotine sulfate
advertising. His giving proof of stupidity re Y2K is superfluous; I
can find that by talking to any 3 random people about Y2K for more
than 30 seconds.
www.y2ksafeminnesota.com
-- Minnesotasmith (y2ksafeminnesota@hotmail.com), July 22, 1999.
I say ignore the moron DS. He is a junior programmer, compared to the experience of other programmers on this forum. He is clueless. It's his problem, not ours. <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), July 22, 1999.
Oh come on - no one wants to answer my question? Is it all that hard
of one?
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
Bob,
There really is only one answer, but you risk going insane trying to
get anyone here to admit it. (Ive been trying for a while, and I'm
not sure how much more stomach I have for it).
Cast-iron answer. . . A WEAK CASE CANNOT BEAR CROSS EXAMINATION.
It's really as simple as that. Their administrators (read JUNTA)
disseminate the excuse that the blame for their prejudice lays at the
feet of these "abusive, troll posts", and its accepted as some kind
of panacaea, (except that its OK when one of their own kind does the
same thing, naturally), and they're quite prepared to blank out any
other possibility.
This weeks official opiate is "We must protect the forum from those
who wish to destroy it". Kinda like the old soviet line during the
cold war. "They are evil because they are different". And dont anyone
dare to question this, because anyone not accepting the word of the
leader unquestioningly is DECADENT, and has been INFECTED with
unclean thoughts by the enemy's conspiracy. Strangely, many otherwise
intelligent people are apparently blind to this phenomena, and feel
comfortable and at ease participating in it. (a form of sanction
wouldn't you say ?)
In any case, theres no point in spelling it out. Any information
which comes from the other side of Diane's "iron curtain" is
immediately viewed as enemy propaganda, its tainted by association,
and the process of "disinfection" is well established.
Label, deviate, ignore, insult, call to delete.
They've been so well trained that most dont even seem to realise when
they're doing it. Good luck to you, may you get further than I have
managed to.
Regards
W
PS - A tip. Don't concern yourself with things like courtesy, facts,
honesty or logic . . THEY MAKE NO DIFFERENCE. (Can provide copious
links if required).
-- W0lv3r1n3 (W0lv3r1n3@yahoo.com), July 22, 1999.
So, Mr. Poole, now you are posting as "Bob (bob@bob.bob)" also?
-- none (none@none.none), July 22, 1999.
"Ed Yourdon is Columbus"
Who said comedy was dead?
-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), July 22, 1999.
Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig will love
it.
-- (old@macdonald.farm), July 22, 1999.
Hi Chuck! Looks like this time it is a blockquote.
-- Gayla (privacy@please.com), July 22, 1999.
Comrade none
Well done, well done. Phase 1 is complete. You are performing well.
The politburo is pleased. Now, move immediately to Phase 2 . . this
subject MUST be deviated.
Remember . . mention embedded systems. Or interconnectivity.
If you continue to respond with such enthusiasm you could make the
grade of Kommisar, and be rewarded with your own bug-out-Dacha.
:)
W
-- W0lv3r1n3 (W0lv3r1n3@yahoo.com), July 22, 1999.
Didn't print the question I asked, did you Old Git/Outings/whoever
you are today. And I notice you did not answer it!
AND I STILL HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE DOOMER ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION!
All I want to know is, at what date will you concede that Y2K will be
over? For better or for worse, there has to be a day when the
subject becomes passe'. I want to know that magical date. And not
one single person has given me a response with substance. Come on,
is it next year? Spring? Fall? Are you going to wait for the
lookbacks in 2001?
I am really beginning to get the idea that come 2005 there will still
be people over here saying "any day now, THEY can't hide it much
longer".
Gee - what if they gave an EOTW, and nobody noticed!
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), July 22, 1999.
None
Sorry to disapoint you, but I have been here for over a year (before
this my handle was "Online2Much". me , a polly? nope. sorry to let you
down. But I am very sad to see people like Will Continue trash this
forum, then people like Old Git back them up with their implicit
sanctioning of their trolling, while calling for censorship of
opposing views. Maybe this place has become a cult like setting. I
miss the "good old days". Sigh
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
And still not mone person has answered my question... how are
(yes, I know what I'm saying) assholes like Will Continue
allowed carte blanche here, but anyone with an opposing viewpoint is
subject to the call for censorship?
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
Wow . . Bob . .
Im fascinated to see how they're gonna deal with you.
prediction . .
1) good ol boy turned bad.(5/4F)
2) just ignore your comments and pretend you dont exist.(3/1)
3) Answer your question in a logical adult manner, treating it with
the respect it deserves as an important point of principle (300/1
rank outsider with one leg missing and a blind jockey)
Time will tell. Place yer bets.
Kindest Regards
W
-- W0lv3r1n3 (W0lv3r1n3@yahoo.com), July 22, 1999.
This forum is intended for people who are concerned about the
impact of the Y2000 problem on their personal lives, and who want to
discuss various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded
people.
about
-- (what@its.about), July 22, 1999.
sigh - make that "not one"...these fingers are non Y2K compliant...
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
For the squillionth time . .
How is -
"discussing the likely degree of impact we can expect from Y2K"
NOT part of
"discussing various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded
people, because one is concerned." ?
EXPLAIN ?????
-- stop this nonsense and just (answer@the.question), July 22, 1999.
Never wrestle with pigs. All will get dirty and the pigs will love it.
-- (old@macdonald.farm), July 22, 1999.
So, Old McDonald
When the pig is named Will Continue, you're a fan of pig wrestling,
but when it's someone else, you're not? Come on, tell me what you
really think...
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
I bet Bob hasn't even made any fallback contingency plans. I'd like
to be proven wrong though.
-- A (regular@since.1998), July 22, 1999.
Wow...people are avaoiding my question about why it's ok for Will
continue to spew trash talk, but not for the pollies to do the same.
guess that answers my question.
Regular, as for my preparing, if you had bothered to read my previous
reply, I'm not a polly, just someone who is disgusted with the
extremists who have overun this forum. yes, I have food, a solar
system ,and even a motorcycle (on and off road) in case gas prices
rise, but of course in your mind anyone willing to listen to an
opposing opinion just MUST be a denial butt-head.
In my opinion, anyone who's beliefs/comclusions can not stand up to a
little scrutiny is the real butt-head here...
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
George:
I enjoy a lot of your posts, but this one was kinda reaching, IMHO.
I'm profoundly pessimistic about this whole situation. From my point
of view, Ed Yourdon is still a touch on the optimistic side.
I don't like ranting or foul language no matter who indulges in it.
Will continue: I truly do understand how you feel (See my "Y2K
Rage"), but getting that angry at "computer ghosts" isn't good for
any of us. Maybe save the energy for something useful?
We will know what is going on within 6-12 months. I'd love to "stand
down" on this issue. My wife wants a camper and a boat that have
been put on hold "until we see how things go next year".
Paul Davis, if all we see by 7-1-2000 are fleeting or even longer
lived but minor problems, I'll certainly know we got past this in
fine shape.
Final comment: Folks, I don't know about you, but I've heard and
used a lot worse language. Had it spewed in my face, along with
saliva droplets, for that matter. It didn't hurt me then, it
CERTAINLY doesn't raise my blood pressure coming from party or
parties unknown.
I'm using my real email address, so flame away, anyone who cares to.
-- Jon Williamson (jwilliamson003@sprintmail.com), July 22, 1999.
Glad to hear you're making preparations, Bob. People would give more
credence to what you have to say if you'd talk about your fallback
plans more often. I remember bob@bob.bob for his off-topic 'Church Of
the Sub-Genus' postings.
-- A (regular@since.1998), July 22, 1999.
Come on people, this really isn't rocket science. Answer this
question.
why is it ok for Will Continue to engage in name calling, but not
ok for the pollies to do the same.
Answer this, and I will quit asking, but it sure lookes like a double
standard to me.....
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
regular
Nope, that wasn't me. I hope your Y2K research is better then your
forum research.....
-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 22, 1999.
Bob:
See above, it isn't. I'd love to see this forum stick to decent
English and omit the profanities, obcenities, and name calling. I
don't care who it comes from.
-- Jon Williamson (jwilliamson003@sprintmail.com), July 22, 1999.
Tell me what kind of outcome your y2k research is suggesting now,
Bob. Oil shortages seem to be one of your worries. Having a bicycle
or motorcycle could be VERY important next year.
-- Tuna but (no@more.spam), July 22, 1999.
no online2much bob just attacks ed in open letters and plays worried
electrician hoaxes on diff forums and ricks forum is now private
-- (stevie@poole.isthatyou?), July 22, 1999.
It is not OK for ANYONE to "personally attack" anyone else???
Did that answer your question???
Juvenile behavior has gotten out of hand on both sides of the
fence... GROW UP...
Anyone who cannot post here in a decent, adult manner should be
"censored"... period. There are a lot of words that profanity is used
in place of. Use these words not profanity.
"My you ARE a vulgarian, aren't you?" - A Fish Called Wanda - John
Cleese's character
growlin' at the meter man...
The Dog
-- Dog (Desert Dog@-sand.com), July 22, 1999.
"If you can't say anything nice...." Regardless of anyone's beliefs
about y2k... no one knows for sure... Name calling is a waste of
space and time, and so is sarcasm for that matter... it only serves
to confuse and obfiscate what the purpose of the thread is for...
what does "butt head" have to do with y2k discussions?
Whether a polly or doomer, postings that have nothing more than name
calling and/or insults are useless... If you have a valid point, it
can be said without insults.. i.e, "I disagree because..."... adding
"you studid #@$%@@" serves no respectable contributor (including the
name caller) and devalues credible information from either side.
As far as DS goes, I am relatively new to this forum but have not
read anything viable written by this person. In this case, and
others like them, regardless of what position they take, these name
calling and nothing else statements can definately make getting to
the meat of the coconut much more difficult.
I don't believe in censorship but I do believe in courtesy. If
people can restrain themselves, there is no need for censorship...
otherwise.. snip snip..
-- booann (cantsay@lovemyjob.edu), July 22, 1999.
Why are so many parents allowing their five-year-olds to post to this
forum?
-- Lane Core Jr. (elcore@sgi.net), July 22, 1999.
Amen. Let's talk about Y2K and what we can do to lessen its impact on
our families.
-- (no@name.calling), July 22, 1999.
Jon - thank you very much for responding to a civil question. I
admit I have gotten a bit vehement asking it, but when it has gone by
for the 9th or 10th time, and been ignored or name called or
partially cross posted for purposes of mocking me personally, I think
my irritation is understandable.
7/1/2000 is your final date for problems of a major sort striking
without warning. Thank you.
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), July 22, 1999.
nasty ness'mean spirited'arrogant'self-centered'JUST A [SIGN] of the TIMES.----JERRY SPRINGER=NOW AGE.
-- sadfact. (dogs@zianet.com), July 22, 1999.
PLEASE...will the moderator(s) not allow useless, tasteless, mindless,
foul-mouthed, ill-intentioned nonsense onto this forum?! NONE of us
has time for doomer@sucks, and in truth, no one should be answering
him. I would not allow him into my parlor to defecate on the carpet,
and he ought not to be allowed to do that here. If he had even ONE
constructive idea to contribute.....but he doesn't. He is simply a
destroyer. Thank you. This is my vote to out him.
-- Thoroughly Disgusted (Keepitto@myself.now), July 22, 1999.
Paul:
Actually, given that I suspect that the "death of a thousand cuts"
(or bled to death by black flies) scenario is probably a lot more
accurate than the "sudden death", all at once shutdown kind of thing
I started out worrying about, we may NEVER get straight out answers
as to whether problems are Y2K, cyber-terrorists, or a sudden
inability of our working population to do ANYTHING right (G).
Paul, rationally thinking, I know that a great deal of work has been
done. What I don't know is if it is enough. From the people I talk
to personally (I'm a technical recruiter), the news is not good.
But, the very fact that they are looking for work means that they are
NOT a representative sample of the population.
I have been disturbed by the move to JIT, MRP, "total" systems like
SAP and Peoplesoft for some time. Darn it, you need some room for
slop in any system. I don't think we have left ourselves enough of
an "oops" factor in our rush to reduce costs.
So, I truly am preparing for an 8-10, while hoping for a pea sized
bump.
I will converse with anyone who does not attack me. I reply to Ken
Decker's posts. On some subjects, we agree. He has even used some
material that looks a lot like emails I've sent him in posts here
(the sincerest form of flattery).
I'm an avid amatuer historian. I don't believe we've found the
perpetual prosperity machine. I don't think we have found the secret
that will let THIS civilization survive forever. Can we count the
time left in months? I hope not. But, within the year, we should
know.
In the meantime, can we all act like adults?
-- Jon Williamson (jwilliamson003@sprintmail.com), July 22, 1999.
Paul -
FWIW, I was about to post 6/30/1999 when friend Jon posted his
"all-clear" date. Close enough. Put me down for 7/1/1999 as well.
Your point?
-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), July 22, 1999.
Boy, wasn't that a Freudian slip of the keyboard? 7/1/2000, of course.
*sigh*
-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), July 22, 1999.
Paul:
Just to make sure I made myself clear, IF the SHTF, 07/01/2000 is NOT
the date I expect everything to be fixed by.............
-- Jon Williamson (jwilliamson003@sprintmail.com), July 22, 1999.
As I perceive it--maybe I'm wrong--Columbus was a far better navigator
than we give him credit to be. That is, he privately KNEW that he
wouldn't reach the Far East because he KNEW that the earth's
circumference was just too darn wide to survive the journey.
Columbus, being of the political sort, thought that he could better
convince Ferdinand and Isabel (and their ministers) to provision the
voyage if he could trick them into thinking they would get rich from
Far Eastern spices and silks. Columbus knew better. He really just
wanted to see if there was a new continent along the way, as per the
old legends from the Irish monks. Does Yourdon have ulterior motives
like Columbus? Doubt it.
Not to be picky, but perhaps another germane metaphor would suffice...
-- coprolith (coprolith@rocketship.com), July 22, 1999.
Sung to the "You got me, babe" tune originating with Sonny and Cher:
"You got me, Bob."
In defense of Will Continue, I saw ONE post wherein there were no
flames and some logic. Will's a SHE, BTW. Now, with
Doomer@sucks.com, I've seen 4-5 posts that contained no flames and
some logic.
YOU deal with it. I simply ignore anyone who I feel has nothing to
offer but flames or flame-bait.
-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), July 22, 1999.
As I recall, Will Continue had another 'handle' but due to some
confusion between her and another poster she changed it. I do not
at this time recall the previous one.
I believe she is a long time poster here.
-- J (jart5@bellsouth.net), July 23, 1999.
Keep D.S. Censorship is indeed a slippery and dangerous slope. A
more practical way to deal with behavior you find offensive is simply
to shun the offender.
-- Faith Weaver (suzsolutions@yahoo.com), July 23, 1999.
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