Just below the surface of many so called "GIs" lives the sort of irrational hatred - such as this pearl from GA Russel:

"... If the y2k bug shuts down the government computers, the government's ability to impose its redistribution of the wealth vision of America will suffer from a lack of cooperation from those employed in the private sector.

What then? I predict that **MANY** of those who have most enjoyed the Clinton economy will commit suicide. Particularly the college graduates.

For those left, the government will order its troops (speaking broadly) to enforce the law, whatever that may be. Many have posted here that US soldiers will not fire upon their fellow Americans, but I am not at all convinced of that. They will say, "Come with me", somebody will shoot rather than go, and the government shooters will kill "in self-defense".

In that event, I see a race war. The blacks not only overwhelmingly support Clinton, they think that a black who doesn't is a traitor to his race. I believe that black soldiers would not be reluctant to fire upon a white population which refused to obey orders because they (the whites) believed the orders to be unconstitutional.

So in summary, it's either a zero or God help us.

-- GA Russell (garussell@russellga.com), June 03, 1999.

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), June 04, 1999

Answers

Y2K Punk The way you express your self creates the image of a person who is very unhappy and would like to spread the misery. A move out of state is recommened. Back to where you came from.

-- ProudofMostTexans (Native@ofTexaslongtime.com), June 04, 1999.

Highly recommended !

-- ProudofMostTexans (Native@ofTexaslongtime.com), June 04, 1999.

Dunderheads abound in every human endeavor. Religion has not been depopulated by the rantings of Falwell and Robertson. Discernment is a useful asset.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), June 04, 1999.

I think this is what Russell was referring to by "many college graduates committing suicide". From the news article, it sounds pretty plausible:

Subject:	When The Going Gets Tough....
Date:	1999/06/01
Author:	fedinfo <fedinfo@halifax.com>
	Posting History

Ticker Shock Strikes Techies by Craig Bicknell   3:00 a.m.  1.Jun.99.PDT When tech stocks started to plummet last Monday, Stephen Goldbart expected panicked phone calls. He got them, all right. But the callers weren't screaming, "Sell." They were begging, "Help."   For Goldbart, a clinical psychologist who works with clients from Silicon Valley, the Nasdaq has become an increasingly accurate barometer of prevailing emotional duress. With so many thousands of tech workers' dreams and demons handcuffed to the market by the golden promise of stock options, the market's mad swings have become their own, he says.   "People come in, and they're suffering so much from the anxiety of it all they can't even work," says Goldbart, 46, co-director of the Money, Meaning, and Choices Institute in Kentfield, California. The malady has become so common, he coined an informal new name for it: ticker shock.   Goldbart's not the only Bay Area counselor who's seen the symptoms.   "When stock bubbles burst, people just unravel," says Jeff Lugerner, a psychologist with the Growth and Leadership Center in Mountain View, California, which specializes in corporate psychology.   The end result is a Valley ripe for the emotional equivalent of the Big One, says Hollands.   "If the market really falls, we're going to have some pretty mass hysteria around here."         ========== & nbsp; Awwwwwwwww. The poor wittle babies. Lose some dough and they go all to pieces. Tut Tut Tut. Didn't the wittle banies know they were playing with fire? Or did they believe this farce would go on forever?   An what happens when da wittle babies wose a wittle money? "They unravel".   Now, what happens when something serious happens, like Y2K? All the pollyannas say that Americans will not panic. The bottom line is that when the 'bottom' falls out, there is going to be mass hysteria.   BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!   For the most part, Americans are the softest, most complacent slobs living in the lap of luxury.   The poor wittle babies are having so much 'anxiety' they can't even work anymore. Awwwwwwwww. Tch Tch Tch. When Y2K hits maybe they will have so much anxiety that they can't find food for their wittle families.     Morons. Pansies. Milque-toasts.   Did you ever hear the one about Davy Crockett, Travis and Bowie all having 'anxiety' attacks when Santa Anna pulled up in his Low-Rider at the Alamo? No.   Did McAuliffe wet his undies at The Battle Of The Bulge? No.   THOSE were "Americans". Not the asshole whiny 'anxiety' driven ones of today.   THOSE were tough situations. But when some asshole overloads his gnat's ass with stock options then he has a legitimate 'disease'.     Those were "Americans". Not the asshole whiny 'anxiety' driven ones of today.   When the associated problems of Y2K go down they will fold like a card table.   http:// www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/19942.html   -- Paul Milne If you live within five miles of a 7-11, you're toast. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

-- a (a@a.a), June 04, 1999.

Is this what they found last summer as the stock market fell? A, why do you post such garbage and call it plausible?

BTW, did you ask the sanitation department your question about toilets? And I still waiting for your analysis, you moron.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 04, 1999.

I don't see more of a race war than we already have between blacks and whites (including hispanics). Since whites and hispanics are grouped together by the government statistics, it is hard to be precise, but according to government statistics, black-on-white violent crime happens 18-20 times (times, not percent) as often as white on black crime. I just don't see it getting much worse.

I do see a future "Kosovo in the SW" as immigration from Mexico continues in the US SW - probably 20-30 years off.

My big fear is still nukes and chemical/biological weapons, since the threat is so much more immediate.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), June 04, 1999.

Interesting Y2KPRO.....the very few G.I.'s you read discussing Racial wars ends up as a LABEL. YOU are the one LABELING. The problem with you is you feel outnumbered by an intellegent group of people. Your recourse is to grab all those ethnicities to see your side and support your lame view. You are one to call the kettle black. Go ahead and continue labeling, but while you do so, to be fair GET A VOTE on who is and who is not trying to draw ethnic issues into this mess. Oh yes, we want even more ISSUES to worry about. Go and jump in with Mr. Decker. You both try to rationalize about anything you can get your hands on while wasting time and confusing the new viewers of the REAL ISSUE. Prepare for some bad times people and when you see LABELERS like this Y2KPro, realise the challenges we face trying to inform. This one takes the cake in the Y2KPro Face.

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), June 04, 1999.

Y2K Pro - Let's see, one single post constitutes a dictum. You live in a very strange world of your own making, I pity you, I really do. That's of course assuming you are serious [insert wild laughter here].

Really now, You, Decker, and Poole are slipping, badly. Where is the high quality troll bait of not so long ago. You obviously aren't putting much effort into it as did just a few weeks ago. After the flurry of "the REAL reason Yourdon is quiting" which were numerous and very low quality, are you going to use those pathetic trollings as a future standard?

Why don't the three of you take a little vacation and regroup a bit. A little R&R wouldn't hurt a bit. Then you could come back and troll like you used to with at least a little bit of plausability.

If you need some exercises to build up your trolling, go over to http://www.nwc.navy.mil/dsd/y2ksited/Mary2kgs.html and try arguements with all those silly "doomers" at the naval war college. When you've come up with sound arguements why all of their scenarios are unfounded, you can get in shape, be all fit and trim and come back here with some higher class trolling. After all, quoting one single post and claiming it as representative? For shame. You can do better than that! That's as logical as claiming that the Hawthorne power plant explosion (which so far doesn't appear to have anything to do with Y2K) is precisely what is going to happen to each and every single power generating station in the US (hydroelectrics too!) on 1/1/2000.

So pause, regroup, work out, and then give us some troll bait that is at least partially plausable.

-- Ken Seger (kenseger@earthlink.net), June 04, 1999.

Y2KPro: unfortunately, those on the dole (white, black, mexican, whichever) are going to be the most disserviced by Y2K, right behind the Dow Window Jumpers.

And your kind, the silencers, will be fully responsible for their inability to cope psychologically and financially in the short term.

Feller, you live on a hill in Centex, too? Whereabouts?

-- Lisa (lisa@work.in_Texas,_unfortunately_only_75_miles_from_Y2KPropecia_ick), June 04, 1999.

Maria: As you either failed to read or comprehend it, the article discusses the anxiety of employees in the high tech sector whose futures are heavily leveraged to the stock market. They are seeking psychological help in dealing with the swings of the market, still at its height. The question is, when and if it crashes to a fraction of its present worth, will these folks become suicidal. Now, I know you've never read much of history, but let me clue you in to something. People commit suicide when stock markets crash. No, not the dip in 87. That was a correction. You will find out the difference in a few short months.

As for the sanitation department, I did call, and they said you've been disconnected. Apparently they've had enough shit out of you also.

-- a (a@a.a), June 04, 1999.

Y2K Pro says, GI's "see a race war." "Just below the surface of many so called "GIs" lives the sort of irrational hatred. . ."

I've corresponded with "many" of the GIs on this forum and NEVER seen from them one hint of hatred, racial or otherwise I do believe that if there should come an economic breakdown, no matter what the cause, the underprivileged will resort to civil disorder, as they have, almost without exception, in the past. If you look at the numbers there are more whites than others receiving welfare and other government checks, more whites at or just above the poverty level, more whites living from paycheck to paycheck. Therefore I would expect more whites to engage in protest disturbances. I am not suggesting debate on this topic, which would be fruitless, I am highlighting the false charge made by Y2K Pro, something he/she excels at. "Many" of the people on this forum are not racists--I know because I've corresponded with them, talked to them on the phone, and met some of them. Y2K Pro cannot see beyond his/her fixation on destroying GIs who, he/she erroneously believes, are spreading this "mind virus" the pollys are always talking about.

By the way, you use the term "irrational hatred." By that, you unarguably infer there is "rational hatred." Please explain.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), June 04, 1999.

And BTW maria, that "garbage" came from your beloved journal of high technology, Wired.

-- a (a@a.a), June 04, 1999.

A, psychologists have a poor track record in predicting human behavior. So this ONE psychologist see people in the Silicon Valley and attributes their anxiety to the stock market. Hmmmmmm Let's try to apply this to the rest of the country.

A stock market correction did not what happened in 87 (it was much more severe); a correction occured last summer. Check your history books about crashes or take some economic courses.

If you don't want answers to your questions about being able to flush toilets, why bother asking Decker or me? You obviously know that we can not speak about these kinds of problems but you pounded us for the answers. Now, why don't you ask those who can help you? Oh I know, you just wanted to act like a moron.

BTW, I know that post wasn't you. But obviously, that person does suffer from mental problems and a tiny dick. This person demonstrated the title of the thread.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 04, 1999.

Y2K Pro is an ironic name for you. The irony is that if you actually understood Y2k, You would "Get It". Making Labels for your own purposes puts you in the Y2K Cadet group, not Pro. This is a group of individuals from wide varied backgrounds that have chosen to discuss Y2k matters seriously on a forum that has fortunately been provided for us. You are a messenger man and headed in the wrong direction!

Lisa, in the Austin area. Yourself?

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), June 04, 1999.

Feller: yep, North Lake Travis. Best place in the world to watch Y2K unfold, isn't it?

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 04, 1999.

Lisa: Jonestown!?!

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), June 04, 1999.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that NO ONE criticized GA Russell for his incendiary racial comments, yet pillory me for pointing them out. GI logic I suppose - It's OK to hate as long as you're on our side

Laugh of the week from the Feller fella:

The problem with you is you feel outnumbered by an intellegent group of people.

Who said that comedy was dead?

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), June 04, 1999.

Feller: Lago Vista!!!!!!!! Holy cow, we probably already even know each other - I'm at the Mobil every morning, gettin' a coke (since the sold Hillside). 5'7 Blonde, drive a black Dodge Ram. Never go to the Lone Star Bar. Well, almost never. I'm one of the co-people for the Lago Y2K meetings, not the Birkenstock one or the Yuppie one . Know me?

Hey- I was on Sam's ass for six straight months - response: "well, what am I supposed to do about it? Hartmann totally GI; too bad he lost office. Haven't spoken to Dennis Jones yet, but Annie Ochoa (new councilperson) is an ex-coboler who's worried about the "nines"... LOL

Didn't make it to PEC's Y2K meeting last Tuesday, did you?

(Sorry to hijack your thread, Y2K Propeller-head)

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 04, 1999.

Well, look at the LA roits y2kprole! I'd bet you AT LEAST HALF OF THE people rioting didn't even know what the roddney king trial was about. People riot if their base/basket/foot-ball team WINS! What will they("they" being the dull sheeple/DGI's/DWGI's like YOU!) do if/when TSHTF???? Or even if there is Martial law, or a depression?? You SUCK, go away finally! if you think y2k is a non-event, and the treason of Klintoon is No Big Deal, then go back to sleep, and don't complain when you wake up in your detention cell, in between TORTURES. You want to ignore danger, go ahead, but don't complain when YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!!!

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), June 04, 1999.

Watch Feller be my damned ex-husband........... uh oh

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 04, 1999.

Hello Everyone!

I'm flattered that my remarks should become the subject of a separate post. But before I comment, one question:

Hi Y2K Pro! How was your prom?

Now to the subject matter at hand. Apparently there are two concepts which are of particular interest.

The first matter is suicide.

I believe that there is in America today a large number of individuals who are atheists, and without the morals that I was taught. Putting aside religious differences, the morality underpinning the Scout Law ("A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful...") and the Scout Motto "Be Prepared" are flat out rejected by many Americans today.

These are the people who do not reject what is coming out of Hollywood. These are the people who don't care about the President's morality so long as the economy is good.

It has been my experience that these people believe that you get what you deserve. They have received, so they believe that they deserve. (In contrast, St. John the Baptist said that everything you receive is a gift from God. I take that to mean that it is good to attempt to deserve what you receive, but your assets are yours because of God's wishes, not because you deserve them.)

Because these people are not religious, they do not believe in hell.

I see these people to be weak.

As Pope John Paul says, we live in a culture of death. Jack Kirvorkian does not provoke the outrage that we would have seen forty years ago (especially among *all* of the network news people). I believe that this culture of death is espoused on college campuses more than anywhere else.

So I see a scenario where morally weak people are faced with very difficult circumstances after years of ease and plenty in a culture of death. In that scenario, I see many of those people taking the easy way out (not fearing hell) and killing themselves.

The second matter is that of a race war.

If Stan Faryna or any other black regular here would like to disagree with my analysis, I would be happy to hear from you.

Maybe those of you throughout the country find that the blacks in your area are strict constructionists in regard to constitutional interpretation in the same proportion that whites are. I would be *delighted* if that were so.

I can tell you that isn't the way it is wherever I have lived. Blacks refer to the constitution as "a living document", and see Clarence Thomas to be a traitor to his race for disagreeing. I don't know where that phrase "living document" came from, but it is used by many as a justification for liberal judges to say that the law is anything they want it to be.

*Every* black I know supports President Clinton to this day. I stand by my analysis regarding their contempt for blacks who do not support Clinton.

Many posters have said that should President Clinton suspend the Constitution, the people will resist and the troops will not fire upon their fellow Americans.

Well, *every* strict constructionist I know who would resist based upon his reading of the Constitution is white. The very few times we have seen any resistance among the ranks to legally-controversial military assigments, they have come from whites.

So in the scenario where President Clinton orders the troops to engage in constitutionally illegal activity, I do not see the black soldiers disobeying orders. They support Clinton, and they don't want to be seen to be a traitor to their race.

Now if you have a situation throughout America where black soldiers with government issued rifles are firing upon white duck hunters with their personal hunting rifles, I call that a race war.

That's where I stand. I would enjoy reading the comments of those who feel that my views are wrong. I hope that Stan and the other blacks are not put off by my generalizing. Of course there are exceptions to any generalization, but my views are based upon what mine own eyes have seen.

By the way, why does anyone feel that my views are based upon hatred? I don't hate anybody.

-- GA Russell (garussell@russellga.com), June 04, 1999.

Lisa, Funny! No, I'm not your ex-hubbie....hehehe. Wow Lago area is close by to where I am. Haven't been to the P.E.C. meetings yet keep up with their magazine. There is that restraunt in Jonestown that took over the Wildflower cafe that someday could be a place to talk sometime. The Lago meetings would also be good as well. I'm extremely busy with a new part of the house yet always frequent this forum. Pleasure to meet you and at least we have some geographical issues in common to consider together here. Back to the outdoors for a while. :)

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), June 04, 1999.

When did this turn into a chat room????

We want facts not a social hour!! My Families lives may be at stake!!! And so may yours!!

-- David Butts (dciinc@aol.com), June 04, 1999.

David: I'm not here to chat. I was asked a question and promptly replied. Maybe I can be some help to lisa. We just found out we are in the same area. The life's blood for you won't stop here I promise.

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), June 04, 1999.

I'm sorry, David. It's just that the statistical probability of two Yourdonites being 2 miles from each other is unbelievably low.... particularly in the hills/sticks where we live... I apologize.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 04, 1999.

I have two comments I'd like to present.

First:

Consider the source and its credibility.

Don't you realize that you shouldn't contradict "Y2KPro"?

He's a Closet Wacko From Waco on, "A Mission From God" (his own words) and is always right. . .

Here is an example. Although originally couched in sarcasm, the illness motivating this character is apparent.

I heard that the UN troops along the Mexican border considered wild dogs as delicacies - so, no need to worry. When TSHTF we will be secure in the knowledge that Spot will be providing sustenance to the NWO.

-- Y2K Pro (2@461.com), March 16, 1999.

Here's another:

I'll be laughing at the death lovers cowering in their bunkers from the middle of Waco Texas.

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), May 31, 1999.

My wish is that we don't allow him to "stir the pot".

Second:

I hold no animosity for any man based on the color of his skin, the nature of his religious beliefs, the tenets of his culture or any other non-relevant characteristic. Having said that, I must also note that there are many who do not feel the same. "Seeing" or fearing a "race war" is simply a "what if", and no different than what we do with Y2K all the time. Advocating one is an entirely different matter.

Should we, as a nation, suffer the calamity of such a war, it would be well to recall the words of another Marine:

"As much as one might wish it, he cannot simply bow out of a race war. You do not have to choose up sides to be a combatant. The other people will do it for you."

- Lieutenant Colonel Jeff Cooper, United States Marine Corps, Retired

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), June 04, 1999.

Hardliner, I agree with you. To point out racial tensions in this country and to voice fears of race-related violence is not racism. My family used to live in a highly ethnically diverse city; we loved that diversity and in many ways we miss it. However, I would not want to be back there if Y2K turns out to be anything above a 6. That diversity is nice in the best of times but because of very real tensions it can turn ugly in the worst of times. That's not racism, that's reality.

Grow up, Y2KPro.

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), June 04, 1999.

I am dismayed that the sentence "I believe that black soldiers would not be reluctant to fire upon a white population" has been defended by so many GIs. Shocked really when you consider how inherently racist it is.

I have no love for Y2K Pro, but on this issue he is correct. We must oppose this sort of counter productive ignorant statement, even if it means disagreeing with a fellow GI and agreeing with a polly. If we do not, then we risk being tarred with the brush of ignorance - and correctly categorized as subhumans over at biffy. To achieve credibility we must take the high road.

-- Proud GI (hates@racist.boobs), June 04, 1999.

Not as unlikely as you might think Lisa. I have had an email from a lurker who was living about 10 miles from me - kind of funny really as he had a dentist appointment in my area the same week I had one in his area. And I got a mail from a woman who lives near my old home town in KY - she lives in Owensboro and I lived about 20 miles south of there.

Small world, isn't it?

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), June 04, 1999.

Proud G.I., Ditto, I second that. My earlier response to Y2K Cadet was that he is hard up for ammo and found some. He pasted G.I.'s with some generality I do not agree with. Only a few weeds to pick in the G.I. lot and with our intentions, we should come out smelling like a rose. Racism is not our interest, Y2K is!

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), June 04, 1999.

David - Re: "We want facts not a social hour!! My Families lives may be at stake!!! And so may yours!!" I'ld just like to point out that you clicked on this thread knowing that it was started by Y2K Pro, if that's not pumping a dry well....

If you clikced on it via New Answers, that might explain it, but then you certianly saw that the "Question" was posted by him. Don't go looking for pumpkins in an apple tree.

-- Ken Seger (kenseger@EARTHLINK.NET), June 04, 1999.

Did you click on this one? Silly GI!

Boring, wasn't it?

-- jor-el (jor-el@krypton.uni), June 04, 1999.

Everyone is soooo afraid of being labeled a racist that they have ceased to use their critical faculties. One poster here (whose comments were until now ignored) said it all: white people are almost twenty times more likely to be the victim of a crime committed by a black person. Anybody white person who says that this doen't influence their opinion of black people is a liar. Doesn't make them racists, just makes them rightly afraid of being victimized.

There is a simple way for white people to stop fearing black people. That is for black people to stop committing so many crimes against white people. Until that happens, and until people start standing up and asserting that in this instance race does matter, the situation is going to get worse, and creeps like the National Alliance will continue to gain more members.

-- notracist (but@not.stupideither), June 04, 1999.

Y2K Pro = Norm

-- Quiet (Observer@watching.you), June 04, 1999.

Ken,

Thanks for the reply regarding the thread, unfortunately I have not been on the site long enough to know who's who's, (except poole) I usually just go with intuition from the titles posted, (sooo many) Cheers, DB

-- David Butts (dciinc@aol.com), June 04, 1999.

(1) I consider myself a GI.

(2) I don't see a race war...at least not in the rebuilding stage. There may be those who try cause friction (for their temporary gain) among verious ethnic groups, but we'll need to pull together to rebuild most effectively. This may be easier in Hawaii, because of the many ethnic groups. There is no majority, just a LOT of minorities. Come to think of it, I'm not about to create conflict with my Samoan neighbors! (I'm under 300 pounds...and some of them are BIG.)

(3) And just who was it that the human race was going to war with, anyway?

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), June 05, 1999.

It's generally not worthwhile to direct your arguments in such a way that they antagonize those you want to convince. Otherwise, you're just spouting off to hear yourself talk. But there's nothing wrong with that. We are all free to make idiots of ourselves. I regularly make an idiot of myself. I am not above stupidity. Mea Culpa, mea culpa.

But

To say that "many y2k GI's are guilty of racism and xenophobia" is probably true. Yet you, Mr. Pro, don't bother to say that many "GIs" are NOT guilty of extreme paranoia, racism, etc. In doing so you use language in an obscurationist kind of way--smoke and hot air that PO's many of us but when you look behind it one is tempted to say "Where's the Beef?"

Why doesn't someone state the facts? Racial tension is high but not as bad as in, say, 1968. There are many many more blacks and other minorities now comrpising a substantial middle class, climbing free of the poverty enforced by a legacy of slavery and Jim Crow laws. They are, for all intents and purposes, finally getting their piece of the pie in a society which once completely shut them out. Confounding the matter is that the so-called "races" (a dodgy term by scientific standards if there ever was one) are blending more and more, especially in the urban areas. Everywhere, you see examples of black- white intermarriages, black-hispanic, white-hispanic, white-asian, etc. And their kids are beautiful brown-colored people who don't belong to any race except to the human race. That's why race war is impossible. It would get way too personal and hit way too close to home.

However, anyone who doesn't think that riots are a thing of the past is sadly deluded. As long as there are ghettos (comrpised of any race) there will be rioting. But it just isn't race that's behind the y2k-civil disturbance issue. It's about poverty and hunger and hopelessness and feeling like a caged rat.

-- coprolith II (coprolith@rocketship.com), June 05, 1999.

Threads like this are a reason to live. You can't make this stuff up. Thanks!

-- Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), June 08, 1999.

Old Git, you write: "if there should come an economic breakdown, no matter what the cause, the underprivileged will resort to civil disorder, as they have, almost without exception, in the past."

Can you document this? I am interested. RSVP on this board or by email, please. Thanks.

-- alan (aelewis@provide.net), June 08, 1999.

I have waited to make my comments. I wanted to think about this a little more. And now I invite you to read my thoughts and reflections, and weigh in on the discussion. If you dare, go to the following URL:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000vqC

-- Stan Faryna (info@giglobal.com), June 09, 1999.

Hi Lewis, I'll send you some info privately because there are indeed numerous examples, too many for the forum, in British and American history alone. My father clearly remembers civil strife during the British General Strike in the mid-1920s--a strike called for economic reasons. There were hunger riots during the Depression, too. Unfortunately, my collection of history, politics, sociology, etc is in storage and won't be home until the weekend after next. But I'll send you the bits I have on hand now and the rest later, if you need more.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), June 09, 1999.

Sorry, Alan, I addressed you as Lewis. It's because I'm an

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), June 09, 1999.