Does Anyone Else Wonder About The Motives of Y2K Pro and Other Idiot Polly's? : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

It appears of late many of the old Forum regulars that have been with us since last year contributing valuable information and debate have left or scaled back their visits to the Forum.

Myriad reason could explain that, but what I have noticed is that the pollytrolls were busy nipping at their posts veraciously before they "went lurker" or dropped from sight.

Diane is moving on with life, Leska and Ashton must have retreated to that mystical land that is Cascadia, Andy has flown the coop, Big Dog's been busy, Greybear's just recently surfaced for a revival meetin', Milne doesn't even bother, Robert Cook posts infrequently, Sysman is out of cyc, and...and...hey!, WHERE"S DIETER?? -jAcKAl!! (perhaps he went to touch his monkey). Many, many others have apparently moved beyond this Forum to prepare, get on with life - or left in disgust.

Which raises the spectre of discouragement from preparing and interacting with likeminded folk that don't think you're crazy. Iron sharpens Iron. I know in my own experience, the amount of info and exchange of thoughts regarding Y2K and the geopolitical canvas being prepared and discussed on this forum was invaluable. But the pollytrolls like Y2K Pro, JBD, @ and other morons have gone a long way towards popping up like floating turds to smear the discussions, and I wonder if their efforts to derride and ridicule those on the Forum that take Y2K (and other geopolitical events) seriously, has caused anyone to drop the Forum and their own personal preparations.

Why do they do this? If they think Y2K is a non-event, why spend time in a Y2K forum that encourages awareness and preparation? Why are they hell-bent on telling us that we're paranoid nut cases? Logic would suggest those that disagree with Y2K preps and awareness would simply voice their disagreement and leave.

But no, these guys monitor and surf this forum DAILY - and pop into a thread to belittle ANY personal responibility to prepare for our system's breakdown. At one time not long ago in our society - A GI attitude was considered prudent and wise. Now it's considered crazy and treasonous. WHY? IS faith in the system now a religion? Has our comfort and infrastructure become a god? Always there, always dependant?

Anyone wonder why Y2K Pro and other trolls spend an inordinate amount of time attacking GI's? What do they benefit? I also notice their maniacal loyalty to the status quo, the system and this govenment. The amount of vitriol expressed in their posts to demouguoge detractors of this current system has me wondering if they're elite spooks with an agenda.

I'm sure they'll say they're studying the "cult of GI's" as they call it. But study isn't the issue. They're not trying to understand WHY GI's are concerned and taking action. They're busy ATTACKING GI's that are concerned and taking action. Is it some personal psyche problem? Do they equate self-worth by decrying GI's as insane? Does that then indicate a self-esteem problem?

Or is it something more sinister?

So the next time you see these fecal pollytrolls pop up in your threads like buoyant excrement, ask yourself, "What are they getting out of derriding us?" "What do they benefit?" and "Why are they here?".

Knowing the WHY of things goes a long way towards understanding the situation.

-- INVAR (, April 30, 1999


They're out to get you, of course. They plot this in secret meetings. Posts like yours show that it's working.

-- Flint (, April 30, 1999.

I've wondered the same thing. But I have no answer. I have to assume they are bored, childish or simply assholes that try to torment people just for fun. Most importantly, it hasn't affected my preparations one iota. I'm comfortable with what I'm doing. It concerns me that people that are on the verge of getting it might be swayed by these fools. That would be a shame. But it is still an individual choice. Most of us are adults here and we need to take personal responsibility.

-- (, April 30, 1999.

INVAR -- I'm not going away, though I agree with most of what you say above (and, as is usually the case, disagree with Flint). Some of us are corresponding privately so we can avoid the tedious trolling, true. The forum has been partly hijacked, but that is the rhythm of all things Net, in my experience. This is Y2K's happy face stage, since everything is now wonderfully "90% complete" and the forum naturally reflects that. I suspect 4Q 1999 and 1Q 2000 will see many regulars return more frequently. Keep the faith, brother.

-- BigDog (, April 30, 1999.

...and all of us have a secret handshake and decoder rings.

-- Y2K Pro (, April 30, 1999.

Someone pass the Glade or light a candle quick! Y2K Pro has surfaced!!!!!

-- INVAR (, April 30, 1999.

Sorry, Y2K Pro. INVAR's and my secret handshake and decoder ring is one you'll never figure out.

-- BigDog (, April 30, 1999.

Invar, I've found that if you hunt them down in their lairs and ask them these questions, they'll definitely answer them.

-- lisa (, April 30, 1999.

Is this what happened to those phormer, phunnest, philosophical, phorum phanatics: E Coli, Hardliner, Runway Cat, and Rob Michaels ?

-- Blue Himalayan (bh@k2.y), April 30, 1999.

"out of cyc" - Please explain? <:)=

-- Sysman (, April 30, 1999.

"The forum has been partly hijacked"

What a joke. It was hijacked by the hard-core pessimists a long time ago.

Most of your questions have been answered on another thread anyway.

BTW, I posted notice of the release of the NERC report. I didn't put my forum name on it for fear of skewing people's reaction.

-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 30, 1999.

Sysman, Cyc- short for cycle or loop. Sys and cyc- kinda flowed together. Synchronicity...catch it!

-- INVAR (, April 30, 1999.

The former contributors are being held in our containment facility in Idaho. They will be released unharmed when it is deemed that they no longer pose a threat to the plan.

-- Elite Spook (with@n.agenda), April 30, 1999.

INVAR commented:

"Anyone wonder why Y2K Pro and other trolls spend an inordinate amount of time attacking GI's? What do they benefit?"

Excellent point INVAR, the article below was published last January. Feds Plan Y2K Spin Control

There is NO DOUBT in my mind that money is being spent by the Federal government in many areas, including internet forums, to quell the masses. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out who these paid participants are.


-- Ray (, April 30, 1999.

Um, Rob has been busy but will return. Just saw him over on fruitcake 1.


-- chuck, a Night Driver (, April 30, 1999.

Yeah, yeah Elite Spook.

And the Chineese espionage case and the fact the LEGACY Codes and Source Code is now in the hands of all our avowed enemies is nothing more than a plot by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to embarrass the king-----er, president.

See, the Socialists have just as many conspiracy theories.

-- INVAR (, April 30, 1999.

Oh yeah, I'm charging Koskinen a million bucks to bust this place up. I wish!

-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 30, 1999.

No, doomstupid, I'm sure you're doing it because you think it's the right thing to do. Plus, your boss told you to.

-- Night (, April 30, 1999.

Is that all, Doomslayer?

Listen, the NWO is offering a much better deal. Let me know if your interested.

--- Secret Message to Polly's (use decoder setting 18c)

jfdhgsh uuiteacd cbdjduadbf eleqoe lkl ayeedbnmf,ppp,sd.

-- Hoffmeister (, April 30, 1999.

Roger that, Hoff, over and out.

-- Maria (, April 30, 1999.

trolls like doomslayer and y2k pro seem just to be insecure,no conspiracies,just little people.emotional denial is what holds many prospective GI's in stasis,if they face how bad y2k MIGHT be they'll have to face that they have wagered their LIVES on their INTERPRETATION/OPINION rather than a few grand onsupplies most people should have anyway.therefore people who have different OPINIONS must be deemed WRONG to to maintain their insecure little paradigm.They should read Voltair.They should grow up

-- zoobie (zoob@zoob.zab), April 30, 1999.

I stand corrected.

Apparently as the pollytrolls have demonstrated by their unfailing wit and brilliant use of sarcasm, they aren't little mechanisms of a giant spin control machine as one of my speculations suggests.

They're not that bright - or ambitious it seems.

They're all just religious fanatics. Blind faith to the gods of Our System, Infrastructure and their king. Blind believers in the traditions of men.

Unfortunately, that kind of blind belief enslaves men to become pawns against those that challenge the foundations of their system they have pledged their souls to.

That's it. They're religious fanatics in the Traditions and Culture of men. And they will defend it to their own deaths.

To paraphrase; they cannot accept the fact that their priest in their parish is a pedophile.

-- INVAR (, April 30, 1999.

So INVAR, am I correct in assuming you are using Y2k to "challenge the foundations of their system they have pledged their souls to."?

Gee, seems like I've heard something like this before.

-- Hoffmeister (, April 30, 1999.

Ray - do you honestly believe that the government is paying folks to watch this forum? If so, I'd like to suggest that you no longer tune in to the Sci-Fi channel and start watching Nick-at-Night instead. I'm sure 'The Wonder Years' will have a more positive effect on you than 'The X-Files' apparently does.

INVAR - Namecalling, right off the bat. And you guys wonder.....


-- Deano (, April 30, 1999.

I'd just like to know what kind of job folks like Y2K pro have that allow them so much time on the net- if they're not getting paid to do this, does their boss know about this??

-- anita (, April 30, 1999.


I'm with Ray on this one. I have wondered why posters like Y2K and others you have mentioned bother with this forum if they are so sure y2k is no big deal.

I have a theory. I think some of them are actually the same person posting under different names. I think that person is employed, perhaps by the government.

The reason? To lull newbies, who find this site, into believing nothing is going to happen when 2000 hits.

I think the press is doing a great job of getting the message to the public that everything is going to be AOK. My father told me that everytime he talks to me he becomes concerned with y2k, then he reads about it in the paper and thinks it's no big deal.

I think the trolls that are here now are a different variety than the ones last fall. The ones last fall seemed to come along, stir thing up then leave. The mutant trolls here now seem to discredit everything pointing to y2k problems. They also start lots of threads with articles showing that there is no need to worry.

There was a thread awhile ago that asked, something like "what is your worst fear about y2k" Y2K pro replied, -that people fearing y2k would pull their money out of the bank causing a bank run. I found that strange because Y2K Pro claims to be in aviation. Seems to me he would have said something like "people not flying because they think plans and airports will have problems".

I have posted before that I don't think Y2K Pro is a technical person at all, I am also convinced he is not in aviation either. I think he/she is an employee of the fed government or the banking industry working to neutralize this forum, and he/she is posting under several names.

BTW I thought @ was OK am I mistaken? May be I haven't read enough by @.

-- monique (, April 30, 1999.


Im not going away either ... just scaling back.

Do try for a quick check in the a.m. -- if some research intrigues me, Ill check it out and post back.

Time ... for a caffe latte. ;-D



-- Diane J. Squire (, April 30, 1999.

I don't wonder - I know.

"Y2K Pro" is really a Gray from Alpha-centauri. The Reptillians, (which everyone knows are really responsible for the "contrails" and black-chopper sightings since the Illumanati went underground) having decided that BJ Clinton will be the next Galatic Emporer is having a lot of success side-tracking us with Y2K. The Grays, who are really are friends, are trying to set us straight. Norm (a meta-Gray) actually out-ranks Y2K, but he is so busy with problems outside the solar-system that he usually does not have time to post.

-- Got di-lithium crystals?

-- Anonymous99 (, April 30, 1999.

Deano commented:

"Ray - do you honestly believe that the government is paying folks to watch this forum?"

YES ......... a government that LIES is quite capable of just about ANY activity. Now watch the paid participants come out of the woodwork on this one!!


-- Ray (, April 30, 1999.

Second Message (decoder to Charlie Zulu 22.67) ----------

mfnmma bnbd,RAY,kfjk sdaj mmmda owei,NWO,ndsa uiwq

--------- (EOM)

-- Hoffmeister (, April 30, 1999.

Doomslayer commented:

"Oh yeah, I'm charging Koskinen a million bucks to bust this place up. I wish!"

Interesting comment!!


-- Ray (, April 30, 1999.

Here they come!! Led by, you guessed it, the one and only Hoffmeister.


-- Ray (, April 30, 1999.

Hey Deano,

Have you read this thread? Y2K Cults worry FBI <:)=

-- Sysman (, April 30, 1999.

clear, please.

-- Lisa (, April 30, 1999.

Ray/Sysman - Have to admit I'm a little shocked. Thought you guys had a better grasp on reality. Yeah, I read the thread. Do you guys put yourselves in that category?? Definitely a bit radical, dontcha think?? Do you feel that you're part of a 'cult'?? Or are you just preparing for some possible breakdowns in the structure of things. Hey, if you think you're part of a cult, then maybe they do need to keep an eye on this place. Personally, I hadn't labeled yall as such.

And I doubt very, very seriously that the government gives 2 hoots about what goes on here. I'm pretty sure, from what I've been reading in the papers and seeing in the news, they have their hands full enough without having to worry about you guys.......

Well......the weekend has arrived! Time to go enjoy that 24 oz porterhouse I've been drooling over all day! Think I'll have a couple cold Michelobs before tackling that side'o'beef!! And birthday booty for dessert (that's always the best booty!) I recon 39 ain't so bad after all.......:-)

Yall have a good weekend........seriously!


-- Deano (, April 30, 1999.


No, I do not consider myself to be part of a cult. However, the word has been used here quite often, usually by the polly cword. Too bad we don't have a search here. I would guess that it shows up at least a thousand times in the archive. <:)=

-- Sysman (, April 30, 1999.

Dean, you may not be worried about Y2K or the NWO, but you really do need to upgrade your tastes in beer. ;-)

-- Night (, April 30, 1999.

INVAR, you want to know why? The main reason is people like you who jumped all over me the first time I asked a question here last year. You may be sincere in your beliefs, but you still act like more of a jerk than any troll around.

OK, you win. I've been trying to get over my addiction to this place anyway. I've been successful at staying away during the weekends.

There are some good people here, but most of you are too deep into your doom & gloom rut to see the sun come up anymore. It's depressing really.

Looks like it's going to be a nice weekend. Here's a tip for you: Menifee in the Kentucky Derby tomorrow.

Have a nice life.

Doomslayer a.k.a. Buddy a.k.a. Average Joe a.k.a .@... a.k.a. several other random troll names, but none of the other well-known ones.

-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 30, 1999.

Anyone who (well almost anyone) has a big brother will recognise similar tactics from childhood. (OK, there are some decent big brothers.) If you are winning a race, they'll trip you. If you bring a girlfriend home, they try to embarass you. They'll suck up to a moron in authority, and call you a moron at the same time. They're oppressive, suppressive. It's just good ol Big Brotherism. I asked Non-event pro this question a month ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't get a reply.

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), April 30, 1999.

Doomslayer a.k.a. Buddy a.k.a. Average Joe a.k.a .@... a.k.a. several other random troll names:

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. Have a nice life.

(Oh, but you'll be back. Different handle; same M.O.)

-- Anti-Wanker (, April 30, 1999.

KoFE: Monique said:

"There was a thread awhile ago that asked, something like "what is your worst fear about y2k" Y2K pro replied, -that people fearing y2k would pull their money out of the bank causing a bank run. I found that strange because Y2K Pro claims to be in aviation. Seems to me he would have said something like "people not flying because they think plans and airports will have problems".

I have always said that my worst fear is the one of the self fufilling prophecy - and the reason I am here - debunking the half wits.

I don't care if people don't want to fly on New Years Eve - who wants to fly on the biggest party night of the last hundred years? They'll fly the next day or the day after...

And to poor Ray who thinks that the "guvment" are monitoring this forum - bud, you need to adjust your tinfoil hat and get back on the MEDICATION!!!

-- Y2K Pro (, April 30, 1999.

Y2K Amateur,

Take a minute out and talk to a few of the women that our President tended to. See what they have to say about what the Government did to THEIR PERSONAL lives and the folks around them.

It is only with FLAKS like YOU that this government can get away with this kind of behavior. Yes, they are represented here.

Now I do not understand why you are concerned about our banking system. We have the best ecoonomy in _____years (you fill in the blank). Do YOU mean to tell me that folks taking their money out of the bank can create a problem? How is this possible? Are people not entitled to take whatever they want out of the bank? Oh, now I remember, we took the silver out of our coins in 1965 and went off the gold standard in 1971, the politicians finally got to run up the credit bubble without any restrictions. Fiat money was created out of THIN air.


-- Ray (, April 30, 1999.

...burbles Ray, leaving his tinfoil hat in place...

-- Y2K Pro (, April 30, 1999.

Y2K Amateur,

And...... about our banking system?????

-- Ray (, April 30, 1999.

Forget it Ray, Y2K Pro(phylactic) doesn't posess the mental ability to address and debate your points. He's a floating turd that pops up to smear his stench all over the threads to drive away those that seriously want information.

-- INVAR (, April 30, 1999.

I don't have a concern about the banking industry Ray. I have a concern that you and your band of paranoid cretins will influence enough people that a bank run will be inevitable. As has been repeatedly proven, the banks are compliant.

I see INVARiably STUPid has finally learned how to spell prophylactic. It only took him about ten attempts. Now if only he could learn how to spell possess...

-- Y2K Pro (, April 30, 1999.

Ray--Nixon didn't take us off the gold standard, FDR did. What Nixon did was stop foreign banks from cashing in those worthless federal reserve notes for hard gold out of our reserve. That practice had been going on for 30 odd years since in fact FDR rtook us off the gold standars. You got the right emotion here but your shooting the wrong guy.

-- Nikoli Krushev (, April 30, 1999.

No prepared person threatens a bank - those who are prepared (for short, irregular troubles - perhaps 5-10% of the population at most) do not need to pull money out because they won't need anything for a few days. They are expecting some trouble, and do not want to be in standing in line waiting for it.

Those who have prepared for and expect longer disruptions (3 weeks to 6 months, perhaps 0.1-0.5% of the population) don't expect to keep anything anyway, and have expressly planned on removing funds early.

There are another 30-35% percent who don't trust the government at all, who will be ready "despite themselves" because they are wage earners with automatic deposit, automatic withdrawals, largely empty checking accounts and many bills who have no choice. These people will leave their money in the bank, do early shopping, and buy canned goods. (PS - they aso pay taxes and good things like that.)

This leaves the Democrats - The people you need to worry about are the ones who instinctively know "something" is wrong, have been told by a lieing government that nothing will happen, but have not prepared because the government told them nothing would happen, and they believed it. These, the 45-55% percent, are also the ones who listen to ABC, CNN, CBS, MTV, and the NBC news - who believe that "they" won't let it happen.

Guess what? "They" can't do anything about it! The government they so trust and love can't stop this - the government had its chance four years ago - it could have prevented the whole thing - worldwide. But Clinton was too busy getting bribes from the Chinese to care.

These, caring, loving, feel-good (Democrats) will be the people who panic. Because you told them nothing would happen!

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (, April 30, 1999.

Their motive is simply to BLUNT the impact this forum is having on both regulars, alumni, lurkers, and those new to the forum seeking real answers! One must assume this forum is monitored by ALL governments with a Y2K interest. Simply because it is an instant way to get the pulse of the latest, from those with a keen eye on things, that is hard to find elsewhere.

An old Air Force WWII saying that applies to this forum, and almost anything coming from the White House: "If taking heavy flak, you must be over the target!"

I believe this forum previously was believed to be having a significant impact, and attempts to tone it back by "administering" what we have seen recently to squelch, ridicule, annoy, disrupt valid dialogue, have been put into place.

Simply ignoring posts that try to draw one into a duel is the most effective way to silence this effort. Shots across the bow should go unanswered because the squabbles only "scare" off the newbies that need our collective help.

Got, bug juice?

-- (, April 30, 1999.

If the banking system were honest, there would be no problem if everyone wanted their money out. When/if people start to perceive, correctly in this case, that the banking system is a house of cards, and that if they are not first in line they will get nothing, then they will want to get first in line. Thus a run, because there is not the cash to cover all the electronic entries.

If the government and the corporations had not regularly lied to us about anything and everything, that is if they warranted our trust, then we might now trust them when they say "no problemo."

As to whether trolls are just mentally deficient or just a-holes in the pay of the government, who knows. Probably some of each. I know that some people have nothing better to do than to try to screw things up -- some people do it for free (e.g., hackers and virus creators), and some are paid by government (e.g. agents provocateur for FBI, CIA, IRS, FTB, local vice squads, disruptors of forums and organizations opposed to the government, etc.). And the government can always extract more money from the sheeple to finance sticking the sheeple's back legs in their (the government's) boots and giving the sheeple a little more "what for."

Or maybe the trolls and DGIs/DWGIs are really "afraid and crying for help and/or reassurance that everything is OK -- it's Ok baby, no boogey man in the closet -- go back to sleep." Deep down, they really worry that they really are doomed, but can't admit it consciously, so they post provocatively in the hope that if they can get the GIs to go away or recant, then they (troll/DGI/DWGI) can feel safe.

-- A (, April 30, 1999.

Then again, maybe some of us like to marvel at flights of paranoid fantasy and laugh at clowns.

-- Flint (, April 30, 1999.

Think about this for a minute, Maybe those who have the more optomstic viewpoint have a interest in Y2K. Think about it, we are studying Y2K, and questioning what we read.

In the same vein that many in this forum will go out and study any kind of "good news" that has been released. Why can't anyone go look at the bad news that is being released? Or why is good news debunkable, but not bad?

But of course goes all the way back to the original point. Y2K is not a secular issue, Y2K is spiritual, and the evidence sits all over this board. Parents not able to raise their own kids. Give me a break, what evidence does anyone have of that? So you can't raise rhinos, tigers, and bald eagles in your home. You never could, and I was raised by my parents despite a gov't.

Y2K should be instead called Y2K Files, as Mulder and Scully(?) search for answers of how Bill Clinton will seize dictorial power, and the New World Order rising up to steal our guns.

But the real question is, how much will Clinton pay me for this post? And if I become a doomer, will Hyatte pay me to help him sell beans and franks by posting? Im completely open either way, and will go to the highest bidder. =>

-- Pat (, April 30, 1999.

Maybe they are just stepping up their preps. My greenhouse is almost complete, and the seeds have been started. Some things you just gotta do.

-- (cannot-say@this.time), April 30, 1999.

8.)Who are the most despised and respected persons on this forum?

Despised: currently maybe Y2K Pro

8. Y2K Pro

Despised: Y2K Pro.

I despise the Y2K Pro

The biggest asshole is a tie between Y2K Prozac and Mutha Natcha.

Despised: Y2K Prole.

Despised, Y2K Pro.

Y2kPro and Norm are the most despised

people like Y2Kpro and Norm


-- Wiseguy (, April 30, 1999.

Hey INVAR, er, Wiseguy. Do you think I care that a bunch of psychoneurotic, tabacky chewin',hilbilly militia types don't like me?

Here's something funny:

One must assume this forum is monitored by ALL governments with a Y2K interest. Simply because it is an instant way to get the pulse of the latest, from those with a keen eye on things, that is hard to find elsewhere.

Can you spell "puffed up with your own importance?"

-- Y2K Pro (, April 30, 1999.

Hey - that means you can this as a job reference......

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (, April 30, 1999.

Original question

Subject: Does Anyone Else Wonder About The Motives of Y2K Pro and Other Idiot Polly's?

I wonder very little, mostly I don't care. When they get annoying I veiw it as a source of entertainment. They do need reminding that this board is titled "TIMEBOMB" emphasis on bomb, so they can't think too well; we know that. The advantage they do provide is that they will be with us at the beginning of y2k at least and its better to learn how to deal with them in cyberspace before meeting them on the ground, don't you agree?

My favourite polly is Poole CET, I was a CET for some time and I know that in some cases it stands for "choose extra tutoring"

-- Will (, May 02, 1999.

I don't wonder about their motives because none of the pollys has contributed anything of benefit to me.

-- GA Russell (, May 02, 1999.

Tis VERY strange indeed. I can think of a million motives for pushing doom, but cannot guess what he has up his sleeves. The only think I can think of, as I had mentioned in an earlier post, is that Y2K Pro is some kind of seriously demented sociopath that is trying to bait innocent people into becoming tragic victims of Y2K mayhem. Almost like a bizzare horror-movie (Blue Velvet, perhaps?), I can visualize him getting very erotically excited as he watches people roam the streets in search of food. I know it sounds pretty twisted, but look at what Jeffrey Dahmer did! The truth is stranger than fiction.

-- @ (@@@.@), May 02, 1999.

Polly idiots - a few different types, Hoff, Flint, Prairie Dog, CET - take your pick, all earning good gubbmint money. If not, they should be. Your tax dollars at work.

-- Andy (, May 02, 1999.

Doomer idiots - a few different types, Invar, Bigdog, Sysman, Cooke - take your pick, all earning good gubbmint welfare money. If not, they should be in prison. Your tax dollars at work.

-- Namby-Pamby (2000EndOfSanity@prodigitus.orgnetcom), May 02, 1999.

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