Y2K Cults Worry FBI

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Y2K Cults Worry FBI Feds Fear Millenium May Be Marked By Violence WASHINGTON Sunday, April 25,1999 - 08:47 PM ET CBS 1993 fire at Branch Davidian compound, Waco, Texas. (CBS) Sometimes authorities are able to round up suspicious cults before they turn to violence -- as Israel did in January when they deported a group of Americans calling themselves "Concerned Christians," who Israeli authorities suspected of planning violent acts to fulfill prophecies about the millenium.

But the FBI warns that groups like the Concerned Christians could be on the rise as the year 2000 approaches, reports CBS News Correspondent Stephanie Lambidakis.

FBI Director Louis Freeh says, "We don't have the ability, unfortunately, to guarantee the avoidance of problems."

The FBI is keeping close watch on right-wing hate groups, religious extremists and new age cults. The bureau wants to know why such cults so often turn violent.

They are turning for advice to religious scholars like Eugene Gallagher, who says "Eternal perdition tends to get described in lots of texts as fairly violent, being thrown into a lake of fire."

This is a turnaround for the FBI, which came under harsh criticism after events turned sour at Waco, Texas.

When cult leader David Koresh preached, FBI agents ridiculed it as "Bible babble," which the bureau didn't understand. But now they're studying religious writings and examining tragedies like the mass suicides by the Cult of the Solar Temple in Switzerland and the Heaven's Gate cult in California. And they're tracking groups like a Taiwanese cult in Texas that waited in vain for God to appear on television.

Adding to the FBI's frustration is the fact that it is forbidden from spying on religious groups.

Gallagher says, "The FBI is then poised between being damned if they do too much ahead of time and damned if they don't when things happen -- and that's a very difficult position for them."

There are hundreds, if not thousands of groups that plan to mark the millenium in some way. Just one violent act could set off a chain reaction. And the odds are, the FBI won't be able to stop it. Copyright 1998, CBS Worldwide Inc., All Rights Reserved ++++++++++++++++++++++++

Justification for Martial Law maybe?

-- ExCop (ExCop@excop.com), April 26, 1999


"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin)

-- zoobie (zoob@aol.com), April 26, 1999.


ENdless repetition can generat an unwarranted repotation as a one trick pony. I know you aren't one but your posts are starting to make you one.

The Carnival Barker

-- Yowser, Yowser, Yowser (c@rnival.sideshow), April 26, 1999.

Too bad Carney can't spell or type. He has a point. We'll just have to have him comb his hair differently.


-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), April 26, 1999.


Y2K aware individuals and groups are expressing serious misgivings reguarding the increasing hate talk emanating from the FBI and ATF. Many are concerned that the gestapo cults may launch terrorist attacks against individuals or groups who have prepared for possible disruptions in the supply chain induced by the Y2K bug. Many cite the increasingly agressive tactics and subtle threats being endorsed by cult leaders Bill Clinton and Janet Reno. Both Clinton and Reno are known sexual deviants, with Clinton being linked to multiple rapes and Reno to lesbian call girl relationships. Bill clinton's recorded statements that the constitution is an outdated and antiquated document coupled with Janet Reno's execution of numerous children are bone chilling examples of their tendencies to NAZI policies and do little if anything to lessen fears. Coupled with Clinton's ongoing campaign to disarm the public and leave them defenseless, there is little doubt of their true intentions.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), April 26, 1999.

Bravo, Nikoli!

-- a lurker (a_lurker@hiding.com), April 26, 1999.

Can't blame Reno for bein' queer. I mean have you seen the bitch? Who'd wanna fuck that?

-- Dooode (whattaapig@gov.gov), April 26, 1999.

Here is part of a post made to this forum last year. There really are people who would stoop to terrorism to get their way. This was at a preparedness Expo in Washington State.

"Date: August 11, 1998 11:43 PM

Author: Lane Dexter

Subject: Luddites infiltrated the Expo

I went to "Preparedness Expo '98" last Saturday. In general, it was interesting. Lots of good concerned folks like you and me (shaven headed types in cammies were notable by their absence, to the disappointment of the media I'm sure), wondering what they can do to help get through what's ahead. Sure lots of folks selling, but lots of opportunities, such as seeing over a dozen different grain mills together, etc. I took in a bit of the free lectures. The fellow discussing nutrition and food storage was typical. While he obviously felt his brand of food was most nutritious, he touched on the story of Joseph, and he emphasized that we should try to prepare not only for ourselves, but to help our neighbors as much as we can. Contrary to media use of the word, this typifies my definition of "survivalist."

I didn't pay for any of the $5 lectures, though it might have been worth it to hear Bo Gritz. OTOH, while Bo was speaking, I was talking with Randy Weaver and his daughter Sara (spells it the same as my wife does) while they autographed a copy of their book for me -- definitely a high point for me.

While this was going on, a couple members of my party noticed an unattended table with a small sign that said "free information," and a stack of unmarked sealed envelopes. They picked up a couple, but we didn't open any until we were going through literature on the way home. What we found was shocking to me. Apparently, there are present day Luddites who want to make Y2K WORSE! I'll reproduce it as accurately as I can. This format won't reproduce the underlining, boldface or font changes, but I'll leave it as much original as possible, even the errors and bad grammar:


Project Sunburst

As we approach the year 2000 everyone is in a mad rush to be in control and evolve into a New World Order. We are fearful that the World Order gang will take this opportunity to place larger restrictions and greater control over the people of this world and country. On January 1st year 2000 it is projected that there will be a Y2K bug that will cause computers to quit functioning thereby stopping Banking, Electric power, Communication etc. What a great opportunity we have if we just seize upon the moment.

At midnight on December 31, 1999 we want everyone to help stop this madness. To do so we must go to WAR. Now we don't want any killing we want to bring this current government to its knees and restore a local form of government. To do this we need to strike at the same time or as close as we can to the projected Y2K bug. If you do not know what the Y2K bug is find out now.

It is time! Here is what we will do.

1. We will enhance the Y2K bug. You are to stop communication in this country. Find phone junction boxes and destroy them, Cellular phone sites and destroy them, Microwave communication dishes and destroy them, cut underground cables, destroy repeaters and transmitters, and anything else you can think of that will stop communications in this country. This will speed up the effect of the Y2K bug.

2. We will attack powers stations, transformers etc., to shut down the power grid. If a tree branch can blackout 3 Western states a year ago then we can blackout this country.

3. Before this date take out all the money you have left in the bank and change it to gold and silver. Even if you only have ten dollars left in an account pull it out or you will loose it.

If you are employed in one of these areas and can work from the inside please do so. But protect yourself.

By doing this we will enhance the Y2K bug and thereby Stop the IRS forever. Stop big Banking and the grab for control. Stop the Federal Reserve. Stop the gun grabbing politicians. Stop the federal govenment and its bureacracies. Stop the welfare state. Stop lawyers and corrupt courts. Stop the tight control of the media. Stop the gathering of personal information that they are doing on you. Return power to the States and local government. For when this happens the local government will be more powerful than the federal government. This will return us to a level playing field and restore our God given FREEDOM.

Now is the time to begin your plan. Locate your targets, decide your plan of action, and prepare to attack on December 31, 1999 at midnight Mountain Standard Time. (This will put the attack at the same time.) Investigate different ways for your attacks. A bullet through a junction box or a transformer at a power station, a bulllet through an ATM will have an added effect. Don't just think of the big targets. Remember many small targets will do more and take longer to fix. Pick as many targets as you feel capable of. Keep this secret to yourself. Don't talk about what you are going to do. This will protect you. The countdown is on and we will not be stopped.

On January 1st 2000 remember to have all of your money with you in gold and silver and be prepared to barter. Hae a two year food supply. Have a water supply. have alternate forms of communications like ham radio or CB but not cellular phone. Have fresh batteries and alternate power supplies such as generators and solar panels. Have friends you can trust. Get to know your neighbors. Have your guns and ammo ready. Be ready to not have a paycheck. Get household goods such as toilet paper, shampoo, soap. Remember vitamins and food supplements. A medical kit. Stock things to barter with such as candles, ammo, lighters, coffee, tea, sugar, matches, basic hand tools etc. Learn a useful skill.

If you don't join us please be prepared. For this will happen. The more attacks like these the more we can bring this country to its knees and promote change. It is time to change. For this is the last best hope we have. It is time to leave your comfort zone or be enslaved forever.

You have been warned. It is time to warn others. Whether you join us or just wish to be prepared please warn your neighbors. It is up to You to share this information if only to help protect your friends and family. Please copy it and pass it along. Lets send it around this country like a Sunburst. Remember the government doesn't want you to know about this. Get the word out. This is one for the history books. Send it to friends and families. Posted it in laundromats. Local bulletin boards. Put on cars at your church, schools or any large event. Post in on the Internet. Fax it. You may copy this and publicize it any way you like BUT do not change it. Joins us. When just one more person joins us that person could be the pivot point and key to this all. It is time for a new dawn and a bright SUNBURST across this country. Strike hard and swift, be prepared and lets return FREEDOM TO ALL!"

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), April 26, 1999.

...I'm sure we have many members of "Sunburst" on this forum, itching, hoping and yearning for the end of the world. Will anyone admit to it publicly is the question...

"On January 1, 1999 they will experience many more, and it will be much more difficult to sweep them under the rug. On April 1, 1999 we will all watch anxiously as the governments of Japan and Canada, as well as the state of New York, begin their 1999-2000 fiscal year; at that moment, the speculation about Y2K will end, and we will have tangible evidence of whether governmental computer systems work or not."-- Ed Yourdon

"So, of course I want to see y2k bring down the system, all over the world. I have hoped for this all of my adult life." -- Gary North

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), April 26, 1999.

"Can't blame Reno for bein' queer. I mean have you seen the bitch? Who'd wanna fuck that? "

Sigh. Another GI with a high forehead...

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), April 26, 1999.

Dont mind that Y2k Prophylactic bird. These are the only 2 phrases that he knows. Polly want a cracker?

-- Wiseguy (got@it.gov), April 26, 1999.

Gayla, I hate to disenchant you, but have you ever heard the phrase "agent Provacateur". This is a common tactic employed by the FBI and ATF to incriminate otherwise innocent parties, and a means to infiltrate undercover agents into militia groups or whatever. It is common knowledge that ATF agents solicited Randy Weaver to saw the barells off of shotguns for them, posing as survivalist and militia members, then exterminated most of his family in cold blood during the "arrest". In any organization which opposes government tyranny or oppression yoiu may rest assured that the scummiest, most violent members are in fact government agents, and articles or publications such as the one you posted are almost invaribly produced by the government agencies to further their agendas of demonizing targeted groups. Hell, at least half of the KKK members in this country are alphabet agents of one description or another, as are a large number of militia members. The government had an undercover agent inside the Branch Davidian compound and knew full well what was going to happen when they raided the place carrying submachineguns. They call it spin, propoganda, entrapment, subversion, pick one, they are all the same. Next time you hear of a terrorist attack on a public building just bear in mind that the FBI provided the bomb to the Islamic group that attacked the World Trade Center, and there was not one single ATF agent or any of their children in the Oklahoma city building when it blew up. (major clue here, they Knew the attack was coming, and what day.) This latest fiasco in Colorado doesn't smell too good either. The only possible reason I can think of that the police sat outside that building for four hours wjile people were bing shot and bleeding to death is that they wanted the highest possible body count.The fact that it took thirty hours to remove the bodies speaks more towards cleaning up any corrupting evidence than gathering evidence. I mean really, chalk outlines work just fine, why leave the bodies there to rot for a day and a half? All is not as the government would have you velieve, use a little common sense and ask the hard questions.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), April 26, 1999.

Gayla, Everybody:

This is typical COINTELPRO infiltration. Everyone, please understand how these agencies work, and their history of egging on "undesirable" groups to violence, so as to justify a devastating, violent response on the part of the government. They did it to the Black Panthers, the Students for a Democratic Society, and now they're doing it to anyone who believes in the Constitution, and those who seek to raise awareness about Y2k:


If they can't get people commit these acts, their own agents will. They will then have carte blanche to silence any kind of dissent as being "subversive," and many Y2k disruptions can be blamed on "terrorism." This has been the plan from the beginning: all the big-picture federal Y2k contingency planning (interagency cooperation on an historically unprecedented scale, btw) has occured under the pretext of preparing for the practically non-existent problem of "cyberterrorism." Cyberterrorism in their definition includes shooting ATMs, as well as hacking, propagating viri, and so forth.

Read David Icke, to understand how they create problems, stir up a public reaction to the problem, and then offer a solution (which they planned from the beginning). His term for this formula for control is "problem-reaction-solution." Also check out the 4/22/99 Icke realaudio interview on sightings.com. His books are very well researched, and you can find the corroborative evidence for his claims if you look for it.

THEY ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN CONTROL AND REDIRECT BLAME, as per usual. Don't give your power away. Don't let others tell you what to think. The way to shut them down is not by violence, but to shine the light on the truth, and that means having the courage to KNOW, and the perseverance and dedication to do a little research and communication. Violence and violent rhetoric are counter-productive, and an absolute last resort. Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), April 26, 1999.

"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin)

Some things deserve repeating UNTIL THEY SINK IN". Obviously the above quote was not / has not been repeated OFTEN ENOUGH, or this country would not be in the sorry state it is. "Bread" is nice, and I am a Capitalist, but "Man does not live by bread alone."

To me, it is quite obvious that the reason we are all so nasty is that we are constantly frustrated and thwarted by "do-gooders" (save the [insert here cause of your choice], helmet and seatbelt laws, gun laws, firecracker laws...), legally sanctioned robbers and extortionists (IRS, auto insurance companies...) and busy-bodies (both private and government anti-sex, anti-recreational drugs, anti-fun...).

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 26, 1999.

gayla, did it occur to you that the pamthlets may have been the work of one lone nutcase?

-- jocelyne slough (jonslough@tln.net), April 26, 1999.

Hey guys, I just reposted what someone else wrote. The author's name is above the article. The people who picked up the pamphlets notified the F.B.I. I hope and pray that this is not true, or just a lone nut case, but then look what a "lone nut case" did in OKC.

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), April 26, 1999.

Gayla, sad to say but that one wasn't a lone nut other.


And guys, give Janet a break about the lesbian thing. It's a Freeh country after all. (And besides, she bought her first-class seat in hell for that Waco thing, nothing worse we can do.)

-- humptydumpty (no.6@thevillage.com), April 27, 1999.

humptydumpty, Really I could care less whether she is a lesbian. I have several lesbian and gay friends and respect their right to live their life the way they choose. The point I was trying to make in my post was that this demonizing campaign can be applied to any individual or group, and to show that is exactly what the government is up to. I was also making the point that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), April 27, 1999.

Anybody consider the possibility that this could be a plot by some enemy outside of this country? There are possible a few people out there who might just like to see us fall on our knees - maybe Saddam, Musclewitch, Kadaffy?

Just a counter thought.

-- Rod (rbeary2327@aol.com), April 27, 1999.

The prevailing wisdom is that at any "radical group" sort of meeting, the person who wants to blow things up and shoot em up is generally the FBI/CIA agent. nuff said....

-- anita (hillsidefarm@drbs.com), April 27, 1999.


Don't care if she's gay, but shouldn't our nations 'top law enforcement officer' refrain from using call-girl services? Or is it just men that are prohibited from using the services of female protitutes?


-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), April 27, 1999.

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