Need URL's for evidence of government lies : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

I am involved in several heated debates at my local paper's online Y2K forum. I have accused the government of lying on their compliance status, and am getting heat for not providing the URL's. I know you guys can help me locate them. Thanks in advance.

-- Steve Hartsman (, March 11, 1999


Here's one on the government's September 30, 1998 deadline...

-- Kevin (, March 11, 1999.

"Feds Plan Y2K Spin Control" =all

-- Kevin (, March 11, 1999.


To start, you need to know the sources for searching government web- sites:

List of Federal Agency Internet Sites


Search the List of Federal Agency Internet Sites


View the List of Federal Agency Internet Sites

[Executive, Judicial, Legislative, Independent, Boards, Commissions, and Committees, and Quasi-Official]


Browse Government Internet Sites by Topic


Back, in a 'mo' with more.


-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.

The senate is a gold mine, if you dig.

Senate Search


Senate Committees


Especially the ...

Senate Armed Services Committee


Committee Meetings/Hearings Scheduled legis_legis_committees.html

Special Committee On The Year 2000 Technology Problem

Index of Y2K Hearings ~y2k/hearings/

-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.

The House of Representatives, et. al., and their committee hearings can be quite useful.

House Search Committees


House Web-site Search


House Committee Hearing Schedules and Oversight Plans


HASC House Armed Services Committee

HASC House Armed Services Committee Schedule hasc/schedule.htm

Schedule for the House International Relations Committee

House International Relations Committee Homepage


Committee on Ways and Means, Subcommittee on Oversight, Subcommittee Report on the Year 2000 Computer Problem Most computers, computer systems, and telecommunications networks in use in the Federal government today will not be able to function in the year 2000 and beyond unless they are modified. The Subcommittee hearings focused on the implications of the Y2K... y2krept.htm

House Of Representatives
Member Office Web Services


Stephen Horn, California, 38th

As Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Government Management, Information, and Technology, Representative Horn has designated the Year 2000 problem as a top priority.


GMIT Schedule


GMIT Hearings


Representative Horn has been named Chairman of the House of Representative's Task Force on the Year 2000 problem.< /a>

For more information on this important topic please visit the Subcommittee's web page.


Congressional Committees Examine the Y2K Problem.

Visit House committees and examine their efforts to review the implications of the Year 2000 problem. (Links)


Examine testimony from Senate committee hearings on the issue.


New Items Added to the Site from Majority Leader Dick Armey news/

Congressional Record


-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.

FEMA is a treasure trove. See the thread ...

LINKS: Know Your FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) 000NRV

-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.

The GAO has some great reports that often contradict what makes it into the media. See the thread ...

LINKS: Know Your GAO General Accounting Office -- Reports and Testimony ( Y2K ) 000Xz2

-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.

Occasionally, the White House web-site links are useful. See thread ...

LINKS: Know Your White House (News & Info) 000Oeb

-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.

All kinds of great hearings and testimony show up over at the USIA United States Information Agencys Washington File ...


-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) is useful.


OMB's predominant mission is to assist the President in overseeing the preparation of the Federal budget and to supervise its administration in Executive Branch agencies. In helping to formulate the President's spending plans, OMB evaluates the effectiveness of agency programs, policies, and procedures, assesses competing funding demands among agencies, and sets funding priorities. OMB ensures that agency reports, rules, testimony, and proposed legislation are consistent with the President's budget and with Administration policies.

In addition, OMB oversees and coordinates the Administration's procurement, financial management, information, and regulatory policies. In each of these areas, OMB's role is to help improve administrative management, to develop better performance measures and coordinating mechanisms, and to reduce any unnecessary burdens on the public.

Look at OMB Documents


-- Diane J. Squire (, March 11, 1999.,2326,201980611-13653,00.html html

-- Mike Lang (, March 11, 1999.

FAA Administrator Jane Garvey told Senate lawmakers in September that the agency is doing better than the GAO and Horn have said. On Wednesday, Garvey reported that 99 percent of FAA systems have been fixed, and are in the process of being tested.

At this point the percentages are lower...going backwards. This statement was from October 98. Somewhere is the new number(95%) I believe but I need some help finding this. Anyone else?

-- Mike Lang (, March 11, 1999.

Steve, I hope you aren't spending all your time doing internet stuff. Keep your activism in proportion, spend at least half that same amount of time on physical preparation.

Good batch of urls guys.

-- Mitchell Barnes (, March 11, 1999.

Also see the article at this link:


01/26/99- Updated 08:39 PM ET

Pentagon exaggerated Y2K readiness

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon office responsible for safety and security of U.S. nuclear stockpiles and emergency response in a nuclear incident acknowledges falsifying readiness reports on the looming Year 2000 computer problem.

The Defense Special Weapons Agency (DSWA) claimed that three of five so-called "mission critical" computer systems, essential to conducting its most primary duties, were fully prepared to face the computer crisis despite never conducting necessary testing, according to a recent Defense Department Inspector General's Report.

The agency also neglected to develop required "contingency plans" that would take effect if any "mission critical" systems fail.

"We recognize and agree with the findings of the Inspector Generals report," says Capt. Allan Toole, who was recently assigned to correct the Year 2000 (Y2K) problems at the DSWA, which was absorbed into the newly created Defense Threat Reduction Agency on Oct. 1.

He would not discuss the agency's previous false reporting on Y2K.


-- Kevin (, March 11, 1999.

There were also conflicting claims on how non-compliant state unemployment insurance systems were dealt with. Compare the articles at these two links:

-- Kevin (, March 11, 1999.

Federal Computer Weekly (FCW) usually flags .gov and .mil IT problems.

Check out the full-text of the articles. Often they give leads to the GAO or OBM or Senate testimony one needs to look for. ...

FCW Hot Y2K Topics (Good Source) ref/hottopics/y2k.htm

Found off the Hot Topics link ...

Air Force criticized on Y2K oversight (12/23/98)

Just two months after the Defense Department Inspector General's office cleared the Air Force's main airborne surveillance and defense system of possible Year 2000 disruptions, it issued a new report lambasting Air Force Year 2000 program managers for lackluster oversight. ...

Or ...

Y2K: 4 agencies critical (11/23/98)

Four of the seven agencies that the Clinton administration identified this summer as critically behind in fixing key computer systems for the Year 2000 still have not made much progress and are in danger of missing the deadline for having systems fixed, according to some agency reports obtained by Federal Computer Week. ...

Or ...

Pentagon says it will make Year 2000 deadlines (10/14/98)

Top Pentagon officials today expressed guarded optimism that the Defense Department, widely criticized for its lack of progress in making Year 2000 fixes, will have nearly all millennium bug problems in its mission-critical systems fixed nearly a year before 2000. ...

Or ...

Coming up short on Y2K (10/5/98)

Sept. 30 was a target date set by the Clinton administration for agencies to have all their mission-critical systems renovated, yet it slipped quietly past many federal agencies, which are still frantically fixing their computer systems, and past many critics. ...

Or ...

GAO fires Y2K shot across Navy's bow (FCW News Flash 7/2/98)

In the latest chapter outlining the Defense Department's failure to devote adequate resources to the Year 2000 problem, the General Accounting Office took aim at the Navy with a searing indictment of the service's Year 2000 management and oversight controls. ...

Or ...

GAO chief scientist says 'no one is in charge' of fed Y2K efforts (FCW News Flash 6/29/98)

The General Accounting Office's chief scientist this week said "no one is in charge" of the federal government's Year 2000 preparations and that nobody knows for sure just how much headway the government is making in its battle against the clock. ...

And other articles from searching the archives specifically on DoD ...

AUGUST 24, 1998
DOD reports more systems need Y2K fix


Amid numerous internal reports that are critical of its management of the Year 2000 problem, the Defense Department last week released a report indicating that it is further behind schedule in fixing computer systems for the millennium than previously reported.

In its quarterly Year 2000 progress report submitted to the Office of Management and Budget, the Pentagon reported that the number of mission-critical systems that will not be fixed by the March 1999 OMB deadline for Year 2000 compliance increased from 34, as reported in May, to 69. In addition, the number of mission-critical systems that have fallen at least two months behind schedule jumped from nine to 51, according to the report. DOD officials said the increase is partly a result of a new "candor and openness" in reporting on the progress of Year 2000 fixes throughout DOD. ... FCW/archive.nsf/Search+View/ 4FE7AAFC35CB88D5852566A5005622B5?OpenDocument

And ...

AUGUST 31, 1998
Hamre memo raises bar for DOD Y2K


Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre last week put senior Defense Department officials on notice, assigning specific responsibility for Year 2000 testing and verification and outlining specific tasks that must be completed by Nov. 1.

In a memo dated Aug. 24 and sent to the secretaries and undersecretaries of all the services, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the directors of the Defense agencies, Hamre underscored the importance of the department's Year 2000 efforts. ... FCW/archive.nsf/Search+View/ F7D3BAF081B952DB852566A500562A5D?OpenDocument

And, just to illustrate the earlier financial mess ...

APRIL 20, 1998

Hill looks at agencies' audits


Just two weeks after a scathing, first-of-its-kind audit of the government's consolidated financial statement revealed billions of dollars in discrepancies, the House last week began a series of hearings to delve into agencies' information mismanagement.

The House Government Management, Information and Technology Subcommittee started digging into the financial practices and information systems of three agencies: the Defense Department, the Internal Revenue Service and the Social Security Administration.

The subcommittee plans to call before it other agencies, including the Health Care Financing Administration and the Treasury Department, over the next couple of months to examine how they are managing financial statements, which were first required by the Government Management Reform Act of 1994. The subcommittee also plans to examine information management and financial management issues with upcoming hearings on the Clinger-Cohen Act and the Inspector General Act.

One of the first agencies called was DOD, which is at the center of the debate because it receives a large portion of the $1.7 trillion the federal government spends annually and because its accounting statement was one of the worst, according to the General Accounting Office, which conducted the audit. ... FCW/archive.nsf/Search+View/ B5F89A4DCE702D56852565F000694581?OpenDocument

-- Diane J. Squire (, March 12, 1999.


Scheduled for completion shortly after 2000, the chemical warfare disposal operation may be delayed because the Army's project head failed to document Year 2000 fixes, or prepare risk management, testing and contingency plans.

According to the Inspector General, required monthly status reports to the Defense Department were faked.


Link: http://ens.l

-- Dan (, March 12, 1999.

Try this one:

for lies that is.

-- - (-@-.-), March 12, 1999.

Social Insecurity? y2kculture, 2-25-1999

Shame on you. You actually believed Bill Clinton when he said in December that Social Security was 100 percent fixed...

Guess again. Not all the work was done. As of the end of January, the Social Security Administration was still "either in the process of testing those [data] exchanges that remained noncompliant or was waiting for its partners to make the exchanges compliant," Joel Willemssen of the General Accounting Office said Wednesday. What if something unexpected happens? "SSA is scheduled to complete the development of all of its contingency plans by April 30, 1999, and to complete the testing of all plans by June 30 of this year," Willemssen told the House Ways and Means committee.

-- mabel (, March 12, 1999.

This is similar to Kevin's post, but may pertain to different systems.

GCN November 23, 1998, Nuclear systems could crash in 2000, study says By Gregory Slabodkin, GCN Staff


The Defense Departments nuclear arsenal may be at greater risk from date code problems than DOD has publicly acknowledged, according to a report from the British American Security Information Council, an independent research organization. ... Senior DOD officials, including deputy Defense secretary John Hamre, have consistently said that the Pentagon has given its nuclear stockpile and C2 systems the highest priority for year 2000 remediation. But BASICs report said date code fixes for nuclear command and control systems are far from complete. The Washington think tank analyzes and disseminates information on current security issues pertaining to Europe, Russia and the United States.

Michael Kraig, author of the report and a fellow at BASIC, cited statements made by Adm. Richard Mies, commander of U.S. Strategic Command, at a Sept. 25 DOD Year 2000 Steering Committee. Mies said that 11 mission critical STRATCOM systems were not fixed and that 12 additional systems were still in the testing phase, Kraig said.

Hamre has been saying publicly that all nuclear systems are fixed or are undergoing testing, but during the Sept. 25 meeting Adm. Mies made contradictory statements, Kraig said. According to the briefing slides, there are two unnamed command and control systems in particular that are still [unfixed] that could degrade communications. ... Although the STRATCOM report is an unclassified document, the Joint Chiefs of Staff have blocked public access to the report on the year 2000 and nuclear command and control systems, Kraig said. BASIC has filed a Freedom of Information Act request to obtain the report, he said.

This reluctance to provide information on project findings raises deep concerns about the ability of STRATCOM and the armed services to fix both the weapons themselves and the all-important support systems such as launch platforms, communications networks, logistics channels and safety systems, the BASIC report said.

-- mabel (, March 12, 1999.

Here is the URL for "Social Insecurity?"

-- mabel (, March 12, 1999.

Over 30% of Banks Admit Missing Y2K Deadline, Contradicting Government Assurances

PALM BEACH GARDENS, February 10, 1999 -- Among banks and S&Ls responding to a Weiss Y2K readiness survey mailed December 30, 1998, a surprisingly large percentage -- 32% -- admit that they missed a critical Y2K deadline.

These institutions report that they did not complete remediation and testing of internal mission-critical systems by December 31, 1998. Furthermore, 20% do not anticipate completion until March. This implies a failure to comply with the federal requirement that "testing of internal mission-critical systems should be substantially complete" by December 31, 1998.*

This finding directly contradicts recent assurances from banking regulators that only 4% of banking institutions have been rated "unsatisfactory" or "needs improvement."


-- mabel (, March 12, 1999.

No Problem - Or Is It?, Westergaard Year 2000, Victor Porlier, February 10, 1999 While the assurances keep pouring out of D.C.,... I continue to get into conversations with Y2K remediators in the corporations and government agencies that are being publicly reported as finished or on schedule to finish on time, who are telling me "it ain't necessarily so." In fact, it often isn't so at all.

-- mabel (, March 12, 1999.

This one may be stretching it as far as a government lie but corporations are supposed to file y2k readiness disclosures with the SEC. Many companies are simply refusing to cooperate, often choosing to be fined and prosecuted instead. How can the federal government claim optimism when status reports are suppressed?

Also, this was on Yahoo news, and the URL is dead. I tried searching, but I cant seem to get any older news items from them or AP. Its probably on some thread here...

Is Y2K More Urgent Than Disclosed?, Yahoo!Finance, 2-9-1999 Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer


A check of financial reports that publicly traded companies must submit to the SEC shows that many companies are still not complying with Year 2000 disclosure requirements, Lynn Turner said at a conference organized by the District of Columbia Bar Association.

He said more than half the companies in an unspecified sample failed to disclose how much it is costing them to get their computer systems ready for the millennial change, while close to half didnt describe their contingency plans in case the systems fail.


SEC officials also have said they will take enforcement action against companies that make materially false and misleading statements about Year 2000 readiness.

Asked about possible action against companies that fail to adequately disclose their readiness, Turner said he hoped that could be largely avoided by having the SEC ask the companies to voluntarily revise their reports with fuller information.

In October, the SEC charged 37 relatively small brokerage firms with failing to fully disclose their Year 2000 computer readiness, in the federal governments first major enforcement action related to the problem.

Many of the firms have agreed to settle the charges by promising to refrain from such violations in the future, being censured and paying civil fines ranging from $5,000 to $25,000, depending on their size. In settling the charges, the firms neither admitted nor denied wrongdoing.


-- mabel (, March 12, 1999.

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