Hi Folks:

Was watching Hitchcock classic PSYCHO (ah! the mise-en-scene! the oblique angles! the foreground soundtrack!) and heard the detective's line: "sick old ladies are pretty sharp" (or something like that)....

And this reminded me of something a sick old lady said at the hospital to me 'way back in September...

To wit I append a note I sent to a friend back then:

> Here's an interesting little note: met a patient at the hospital, > older lady, severe lung problems...has been pronounced dead on two occasions > (near death experiences)....her doctor jokingly calls her "my psychic". > Anyway, last night we got talking about the changes in society since she was > young during the Depression....she gets a far-away look in her eyes...says, > "There's going to be a terrible situation; people are going to starve..." > I respond: Huh? "Starve? You mean here in the US?" > "Um hum. Nobody believes this...you won't be able to count the > dead..." > "Here?" > "The whole world." > "Okay, dates; times. When's this supposed to happen?" > She thinks for a second. "Less than two years, now. Less than two > years..." > > She doesn't keep up with the news, knows nothing about y2k. > > I'll tell you, it gave me chills.

It still does.... Anita Evangelista

-- Anita Evangelista (ale@townsqr.com), December 14, 1998

Answers

Hi Anita,

First let me say thank you for writing a most excellent book "How to Develop a Low-Cost Family Food-Storage System" which I found at Amazon.com !

Second, there are other reports of future cataclysmic events coming from visitors to the Afterlife, in particular see the book Saved by the Light by Dannion Brinkley, with discussion and reference appearing on another thread: Life After Death, http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg.tcl?msg_id=000IPo

And third, I have a friend who is in touch with a remote viewer (for more on Remote Viewing see Psi-Tech at http://www.trv-psitech.com/contents.htm ) who describes significant starvation in the US as well as the rest of the world, happening in the near future. Again in this case the interesting thing is these people are not yet Y2k-aware!

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), December 14, 1998.

Hi Anita,

Thought provoking post, thanks for sharing it with us. I too am interested in NDE's, remote viewing, prophecy to name a few. I recently posted the following thread on prophecy - still couldn't track down the Sufi prophet from 1920 but the Mother Shipton reference ties in with what you mentioned.

Link is

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000Iif

Mother Shipton:-

"When pictures seem alive with movements free,

When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea,

When men like birds shall scour the sky

Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die.

For those who live the century through

In fear and trmbling this shall do.

Flee to the mountains and the dens

To bog and forest and wild fens."

Infomagic of the 14th Century?

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), December 14, 1998.

A Remote Viewer is a person trained for conducting psychic visualizations of remote locations. It is a form of clairvoyance, but is normally a spatial clairvoyance of other locations on Earth at the current time. Additional training enables one to view other places at times other than the present. Ed Dames developed a scientific (systematic and repeatable) approach to psychic clairvoyance for the US DoD, and later broke off the unit into Psi-Tech, Inc. I do not know their position on Y2k, but I sent this message to Ed Dames:

Hello Ed,

I have heard of a TRV who has seen significant food shortages in the future. Do you have any information on this, and what do you see as likely Y2k problem effects?

Thanks in Advance, Jon

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), December 14, 1998.

For an informed review of Ed Dames' career, credentials, and competence, see Point by Point response to Ed Dames's (c/o Psi-Tech) 14 October 1996 attack on Remote Viewers, by PJ Gaenir His batting average in predictions based on remote viewing is hardly one to recommend him. He has publicly predicted:

Babies dying in `droves' of bovine aids-by end of `97

Plant Pathogen impact in Africa-by Jan-Feb `98, resulting in death of all plants worldwide

Nuclear Attack by North Korea to South Korea by End of Winter,early spring `98

Death of US Leader-by Late winter Early Spring `98

Collapse of `Global Economy'-by Late Spring,Early Summer `98

IMO Dames sees what he wants to see, namely universal catastrophe. He lacks the ability so necessary in remote viewing, to eliminate the projection of his own unconscious convictions into his remote viewing activity.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), December 14, 1998.

Tom, thanks for the info. I also have done more digging and found numerous unfulfilled 'doomsday forecasts' from this source. And the lack of any y2k awareness also throws a shadow there. I'll post any reply received. Also found these other links on RV:

http://www.wenet.net/users/kylemi/psi/psilinks.html

http://www.crviewer.com/

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), December 14, 1998.

Here's a good discussion of "end-of-the-world" predictions:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrld.htm

I think the writer of this is a total, 100% skeptic, but the discussion is entertaining and thoroughly documented.

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), December 14, 1998.

Jon,

I spent some time looking at Psi-Tech's site and reading his Art Bell interview transcripts. I was really bothered by what I read, but couldn't put my finger on why. There is an energy coming off the web-pages that just isnt right.

Then I realized his technique is left-brained, linear, remote viewing. Electrical energy used. A really superb psychic, who is often a remote viewer without being defined as such, becomes Magnetic to the view. Different energy. One is forced, one is receptive.

Hes missing the bigger picture, which is why hes off. You need both energies, then you need to integrate them, and beyond that, rise above the frequency of yin-yang, cause and effect remote viewing, into the level of creation. Mastering the material world. The vision, is a thought, is a new reality.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), December 15, 1998.

To anyone who keeps up with Egyptian archeological discoveries...

http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981215/V000887-121598- idx.html

"Were Egyptians the First Writers"

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), December 16, 1998.

"Related to y2k??"

It's easy to relate everything to Y2K. The end of the world is predicted in 2000 by many people. So this patient "predicted" famine and massive death. She didn't mention what caused it. Could be simply her general belief in the end of the world in 2000.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), December 16, 1998.