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What Are Charisms? A Catholic View..........
-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 09, 2005
I do have a Pentecostal orientation to Charismatic Doctrine, even if "doctrine" is not an acceptible term.........
-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 09, 2005.
I persoanlly think that too much emphais on them may be dangeous, as they make it less about moral principels and more about "watch the petty miracle."Not to put down miralces, and a wlel times oen cna have great effect, but still...
-- ZAR (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 09, 2005.
But you are "putting down" miracles with what you said. Miracles are acts of God, who are we to question them or denigrate them. In fact, Paul tells us to earnestly seek the greater gifts, to suggest otherwise is to violate the Lord's will for His Church. If Jesus and the Apostles required the gifts of the Spirit for their ministry, how much more should we?David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 09, 2005.
DavidDo miracles exist in your church?
.......... rod,
non-Alcoholic Christian.
BTW, why the "non-Catholic Christian" tag? Is it that critical that people disassociate you with Catholicism? It could be taken in a negative way, too.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 09, 2005.
Yes, I've witnessed hundreds of miraculous healings over the years. These are people who I know and can confirm the before and after results. Personally, I have even prayed for people and they were healed a few dozen times. The most impacting was a woman who had a brain tumor. I prayed for her on Sunday morning, she went into the hospital for surgery to remove it the next day and it was gone except for a small discoloration where it previously had been - it literally appeared to have shrivelled up and died, at least that's what her doctro told her. He was stunned and could not explain how it could have happened any natural way.The "non-Catholic Christian" tage is automatic from the cookie that's been set from use at the Catholic forum. They asked me years ago to adopt that so that newcomers wouldn't take my advice as being from a Catholic. I just haven't bothered to change it.
David
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 09, 2005.
David you miss my point. I merley eman that not everyone is goign to see a Mifacle in his or her own lifetime,and perhaps it is wiser to not lay this up as a promise one will see.If a Miracle happens, then it is a good thing. But hwat if peopel focus on the Miraculous, and nto on the moral teachigns, and thus do not do what is right?
which is better?
The apostle Paul likewise said "where theur are prophecies, these shall fial, where their are tounges,they shall cease, where healign is, so shall it be done away, bty Charity never fialeth."
thus, we shoidl focus on the moral teahcing an lvoe of christ. Miracles I accept, btu they arent primary to my faith.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 09, 2005.
"The "non-Catholic Christian" tage is automatic from the cookie that's been set from use at the Catholic forum. They asked me years ago to adopt that so that newcomers wouldn't take my advice as being from a Catholic. I just haven't bothered to change it."-- David .Hmmmm. Interesting. I wonder how people would feel if they had to tag thier names with "non-Protestant/Evangelical Christian"?
Or, having them sew the Star of David on their sleeves...
............. rod
non-Refundable Christian
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 09, 2005.
I guess it to some extent depends on what one accepts as being a miracle. On the "700 Club" every time somone $ent in any $ort of gift, it wa$ a miracle.The birth of a baby, a sunrise, normal blood pressure readings, good weather at an out door concert---some see these as a miracles.
At what level do you set your Miracle Meter? (I'm afraid mine is set very very high)
-- Jim (furst@flash.net), March 09, 2005.
How about an amutee gettign a new leg then dnacing a jigg?
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 09, 2005.
Funny font$, Jim!!I want to have the same visions and dreams that Elpidio has. My fear is that when I ask for miracles, I'll get them right along all the other things I didn't expect or want. So, I'll play it real cool and try to conform myself to what I have. Let's not rock the boat kind of deal...
My good friend told me to be careful what I pray for.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 09, 2005.
Pat robertsn must eb a rela man of God!In fact, soemthugn that happeend to him happeend to me!
I MUST raise one million dollars by the end of augist, unles the LORD kilsl me... he will take my life unelss I get a million dollars in donations.
so whose gonna send cash? ill give you my PO Box when ready...
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 09, 2005.
That was Oral Roberts. Not Pat Robertson.
-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 09, 2005.
RodI'm facinated by dreams and have very vivid ones myself. Fortunately none seem to come true. IF they did there would be lots of disasters happening all around me.
I could expect my house to be on fire, my breaks to stop working at 65 mph, I'd forget to wear clothes one day, friends and relatives would die, and I'd forget how to fly while soaring through Baltimore City from roof top to roof top.
I hope they continue to reveal nothing to me!!!
-- Jim (furst@flash.net), March 09, 2005.
brakes
-- Jim (furst@flash.net), March 09, 2005.