An open letter to Mel Gibson

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An open letter to Mel Gibson;

Dear Mr. Gibson, a few years ago on a tv interview you said;

“I did not leave the Catholic church, the Catholic church left me”

You are correct to a point. The Catholic church never left you . What left you are four heretical popes, thousands of heretical bishops and clergy. They are the ones who have left the church.

Fortunately there were a few faithful bishops and priests who kept the faith, and from them the true church is growing, and the heretics are decaying in the stench of their own scandals, corruption and false doctrines. There are some good and faithful people there but they still have not realized how they are being scammed.

Keep praying your rosary and God will never desert you

-- TC (Treadmill234@south.com), February 23, 2005

Answers

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-- TC (Treadmill234@south.com), February 23, 2005.

T.C--even the rosary is a man-made notion that has nothing to do with Christ or His church.

Demonic apparitions of Mary encourage you to pray the rosary too. That ought to tell you something.

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 23, 2005.


Rod,

When you read this, TC's post should answer your earlier question to me. Actually, Mel didn't leave the church so much as his father did, being a sedevacantist. It's not hard to imagine his boy having troubles coming from that background, just like people who were raised thinking they are the sole correct determiner of the Word of God have trouble believing that's not the case.

Faith,

Demonic apparitions of Mary encourage you to pray the rosary too

It'll be a cold day in Hell when demons encourage someone to pray the Our Father, Faith, nice swing, but a miss.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 23, 2005.


Oh Frank--

You know very well that devotion to Mary is not about Jesus. Yet Jesus is the only name under heaven by which we can be saved. He has a peace plan--and it is not planned for this world.

Yet Catholic Mary (not the true Mary of the Bible) comes along and makes promises that only Jesus can make and keep.

rosaries point to Mary

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 23, 2005.


HI All,

Well, I did see a few interviews with Mel. I thought he did a fine job of defending his Catholic beliefs and his movie. I think he made a fair assesment about his father's "church". Mel struck me as still being a Catholic. Maybe I missed the whole thing, but Mel didn't come across as a Traditionalist. His movie did have a lack of impact in the Salvation message, I thought. There were some missed opportunities in his plot where Mel could have driven the message strongly that Jesus is God, Our Saviour. I think that the message was watered down. For those who already have faith, the message was evident. For those who were skeptical, I think they were more scared away than converted.

Gosh, if you are reading this, Mel, it would be ver cool if you did a movie about the Catholic Church. I thought Mad Max was great.

..........

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.



Sure rod,

Mel Gibson visits greenspun discussion boards...lol! He's as sorry as the whole bunch of us--right?

I agree his movie was lacking. But what was missing was more on the good news about Jesus Christ. Ya know--the fact that He is Risen--and no longer a victim. But, as we can see--the Catholic church likes to keep Jesus down as a perpetual suffering victim.

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 23, 2005.


Mel Gibson is to all purposes sede. He will not attend anything that has to do with the conciliar church.

His priests like father Vailencourt are sedevacantists. For business reasons he doesn't declare it but his actions say differently.

-- TC (Treadmill234@south.com), February 23, 2005.


Hi Faith. Gosh! I missed you around here. You've been away, yes?

"Sure rod,

Mel Gibson visits greenspun discussion boards...lol! He's as sorry as the whole bunch of us--right?"

*** Nah! we aren't a "sorry" bunch. ***

"I agree his movie was lacking. But what was missing was more on the good news about Jesus Christ. Ya know--the fact that He is Risen--and no longer a victim. But, as we can see--the Catholic church likes to keep Jesus down as a perpetual suffering victim."

*** Well, there is a perpetualness to His Sacrifice for all. You do agree with that, yes? ***

"Mel Gibson is to all purposes sede. He will not attend anything that has to do with the conciliar church. His priests like father Vailencourt are sedevacantists. For business reasons he doesn't declare it but his actions say differently."--TC

*** Hmmm....Interesting. Now, why didn't I pickup on that? Mel a Traditionalist?***

...............

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.


Faith,

Have it your way, but if you believe demons are trying to get you to PRAY, you are very confused.

Well, I did see a few interviews with Mel. I thought he did a fine job of defending his Catholic beliefs and his movie. I think he made a fair assesment about his father's "church". Mel struck me as still being a Catholic

Yeah, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise. I can see how he'd veer to the right in the church though being with all the nutty left-wing stuff that goes on in Hollywood. If I had to be surrounded with the pro-abortion pro-pets-are-more- important-than-people pro-homosexual-agenda pro-deviancy in any form culture of Hollywood, I'd probably lean right too. On the movie though, I WILL say it was a very Catholic movie, and Great Job Mel.

I also wish he focused more on the Ressurection, but then, the movie was named "The Passion", not "After the Resurrection", so for what he set out to do, I think he did a very good job. Don't forget, he used his *own money* for it, and anyone who shells out their own cash in Hollywood to make a Christian movie ought to be commended, not lambasted.

It made me think about a few things in a way I've never thought about them, so that's very good. At times you feel like you are getting beaten with a hammer, but I think that was part of his point.

Faith,

But, as we can see--the Catholic church likes to keep Jesus down as a perpetual suffering victim

No, you are WAY off on Catholic belief. The point is this is what Christ went thorough for YOU. You have the dubious distinction of being the first person Catholic or Protestant that I've heard say the point of the movie was to keep showing Christ as a victim. That is about as far from Catholic belief as you can get. Everyone should know what He went through though, telling Jesus' story as all happy- talk is deception to the point of lying.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 23, 2005.


"point is this is what Christ went thorough for YOU."

why did he need to go throught this for ME? why did he need to die? you say he is god,why couldn't he simply forgive me without this salvation death ressurection thing? why wasen't he around a little more then just 3 years or something,if he was god,why didn't he make more clear to all people that he was god? it's a big difference witnessing all those things instead of just hearing it from someone else

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 23, 2005.



Frank,

Getting people to pray to Mary and even to commit their souls wholly to her care at the hour of their death is probably the most ingenius deception ever. It seems harmless enough. Who wouldn't trust Jesus' Mother--afterall?

But the Bible is clear that salvation is in Christ alone. Where does that leave everyone who has trusted this Mary--especially if she is an imposter?

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 23, 2005.


You forgot one, SDQA:

Why did God even bother to create us?

.............

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.


Hi SDQA, so good to see your posts again. (We've been worried about you)

You asked, "why did he need to go throught this for ME? why did he need to die?"

Because sin demands justice! Crime demands justice! Pain demands justice! Sorrow demands justice! Every dirty rotten pain in this world, every corruption, every baby that dies at birth, every creature born for the sole purpose of becoming nothing more than food, demands justice! The earth screams in agony at the wretchedness brought upon it by sin . . . your sin and my sin! DEATH being the ultimate consequence and the ultimate foe.

Justice is met in Christ. He "atoned" for the grievious error of man AND ITS CONSEQUENCES -- that being eternal death -- by way of His own blood. He chose this method, SDQA. It is His creation, you and I are His creatures, and He chose to PARTICIPATE in the agony of this "field of misery" by His death on the cross.

Sure, He could have taken the easy way, but He chose to EXPERIENCE the agony of our suffering. Do you see? Because He is gracious, loving and kind, He chose to condescend to our world and "enter time" with us, to redeem us, and make us whole, to give us new life -- like breathing holy air into the corpse of a dead man.

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"Translation" of the necrosis of the soul into that of beauty and health and holiness is the fruit of His labor on the cross! REDEMPTION! It is available to all . . . not in theory, not based on hearsay, but it is the present tense REALITY available to all to ask.

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), February 23, 2005.


Why did God even make us? you ask. Because God is love and love by its very nature, requires a recipient. So God created man in his image and likeness (we have the right parts in our being needed to receive God's love, return love to God and to each other). Unfortunately, man decided of his own accord that he wanted to know what God knew (God gave us a choice and we disobeyed his first command to us) and so we now live in a very evil world. Christ was sent to save us from ourselves and evil. The movie portrayed that, but yes, it could have been stronger on the salvation part. The Catholic nuiances were evident in the movie. May I say that God is NOT a religion and no religion will save any of us. The only salvation is thru an intimate relationship with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the light and the bridge or way back to God our Father. He who is with great sin cannot stand before God for sin cannot be in God's presence (which is why Christ endured the ultimate separation from God on the cross as he took all sin on himself = "my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" he cried out). The shed blood of Christ was the price required for the salvation of humanity: a plan that was formed by God before the foundation of the earth. Speaking of bishops, fathers and the like: back in the late 90's I was friends with a man in Ireland who was studying to be a priest. He was critical of the Catholic religion because they did not lift up Christ. I asked him why he was becoming a priest if he belived the way he did: he said he wanted to make a difference (he and a few others were considered radicals by the Pope - nevertheless, he was put on fast tract to become a priest which he did in late 99). I guess he wanted to be a not so secret agent. I have not heard from him in some time now. I thank Mel for making this movie as I am sure it drew some to Christ; but am just as sure it did some collateral damage ref "religion".

-- Linda Spagnola (lindasbeat@earthlink.net), February 26, 2005.

Faith,

But the Bible is clear that salvation is in Christ alone

No one in the Catholic church believes differently. If you believe otherwise, you are mistaken. When one prays "to Mary", one is really asking her to pray *on our behalf* to God. What would be wrong with that? Let's look at the prayer "the Hail Mary":

"Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee,"

(this first part of the prayer is just repeating what Gabriel said to Mary in the Gospel of Luke)

"blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus"

(This second part is from the Gospel of what Elizabeth said to Mary)

"Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our deaths, amen."

And the final part is asking Mary to pray for us. The other part of the rosary is the "Our Father", which is the prayer given to us by Jesus Himself. Why on Earth would you get so worked up about people

1. praying to God and

2. asking Christ's mother to pray to God FOR us?

Now granted I've met Protestants who felt that it was wrong to even ask other people (such as their wives) to pray FOR them, thinking erroneously that one should ONLY pray to God and not for anyone else, but unless you are in that group, what's up?

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 28, 2005.



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