A list of beelifs.

In spired by Faith, I was wondering if we could ( for fun) coem u with a creed that we can all agree on.

( I do nessisarily go for them, btu what he hey... its just between the Ask jesus crowd here).

Ill go first.

We beleive ...

1: In one God, almightt, creator of the Universe, whom the Hebrews called YHVH

2: In living in acordance ot his will .

3: To be hinest, and not lie.

4: To not steal

5: to not commit fornicaiton or adultery.

6: To not murder.

7: To worship God and give him all praise.

8: and to act justly

9: to work toward knwoeldge and truth

10: to fulfill all obligaitons and promises

11: To be coureous

12: to be fair and just

We also beleive

1: That Jesus chrst died for thr atonement of sins.

2: That he was the Annointed, sent of God to save manking and show hi he way.

3: That God is Lord of all Creation.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 07, 2005

Answers

I agree so far with your list, Zarove.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 07, 2005.

i believe:

1/pretty much agree on...

2/agree also in a certain way,probably not the same as you do

3/depends...sometimes you have to lie to save yourself

4/agree in the true meaning of it,however today many are thiefs who don't 'really' steal...

5/don't agree with fornication,i'm not here to judge anyone based on that,it isn't something direct harmfull towards others,with adultery i agree(unless it's a trio or something:p)

6/agree

7/agree,also probably not in the same way as you do

8/agree

9/agree

10/depends...

11/??

12/agree

i agree with most of those thing with you,but they probably mean a very different thing to me than to you;....

the last 3 i don't agree with

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.

Lies are neer A Priori needed, ond can choose not to save onsesles, and be sen as far more noble.

Liekwise, you may say Fornicaiton dosnt hur anyone, but, since we knwo it does, your grouns for isagreance are nonecxistant.

You won listen, of coruse, btu emotional and physical damage comes form Sexoutside of mrriage, damage that is permement and irrevocable.

Kat on the othe rboard mentioend this, but yo ignore her, and choose to ignroe anyhtign that dsagrees wiht your veiws> evidence can be befoe you, and you ignroe it.

And this will likewise cause pain.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.

but dude,once again ...I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A THING CALLED MARRIAGE!!!

marriage doesn't change a thing if you both really love each other...,it's a manmade thing...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.

This is for SDQA. It is about Holy Matrimony.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

Marriage isnt manmade, itz genetic.

wedidng cereminies and sanctificatiion cabn be arguabely seen as Man Made, btu even they have a sociaoligcal basais which ultimatley rests on Humans beifn soical animals by naure.

Love isnt just feelign good around the person, havign sex with them, and liking them. Love is staying with them even when you don't like them. Mariag eis a formal commitment, a primisr to remain. "Love", as you defien it, is not.This is why its damaging, becae you rip a peice of them away when you get annoyed or bored withtem and ifnd a ne sex partner.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.

i don't think you even have an idea what true love means zarove...marriage isn't in our genes...love and things that come along with it(commitment,sacrifice,sex,caring about each other...etc)

marriage can be out of many different reasons,marriage can be awful,people can be forced to marry each other,people can marry to gain profit from each other...etc,marriage is a formality,but all the things a good loving marriage has are already there if you really love each other,so marriage isn't necesarry anymore,but if you want to do it,to express your love for each other,no problem,but don't condemn our love of us who don't marry

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.

The characters of the Old Testament knew about "love". They had laws that addressed those issues surrounding co-habitation of "married" couples. There comes a time when "love" wears out. Yes, I can hear that fundamental reasoning, "If love wears out, they were never in love to begin with." People are weak and sinful. If the mate is not willing to forgive, the "marriage" can dissolve, in the eyes of the person(s) involved. So, what will happen to the lesser of the couple? Thrown out into the streets? No, they must rekindle the love they once had. Marriage is a commitment. It protects the marriage, its products, and society.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

i don't think you even have an idea what true love means zarove...

{I know more baout Love than you, and htats a fiven sicne you define it as "warm feelings" and "Likign " the person and lustign afte them. Thats not love, thats affection and interest. Love often entaisl sacrifice.}-Zarove

marriage isn't in our genes...

{On yhe contrary, it is. Need I post links?}-Zarove

love and things that come along with it(commitment,sacrifice,sex,caring about each other...etc)

{which si the basis of marirage. But live isnt " I like beign arodn you". ometimes love is " I cant stand you but am here anyway", until you learn this, you wont know what Love is.

But nmonogomous, commited rleationships are in or genes, its hwo we where made. Ceremonies are man made, not monogomous commitment, which is what we clal Marirage.}-Zarove

marriage can be out of many different reasons,

{So can sex, this doesnt negate that we where dsigned for Monogomous, commited relatomnships.}-Zarove

marriage can be awful,

{So can sex, poin being?}-Zarove

people can be forced to marry each other,people can marry to gain profit from each other...etc,

{And use sex this way too! you basiclaly say Marirage isnt ral because it can be corrupted! ueah thats logical.

and since peopel can lie, that means there is no truth!

I AM the President of the United Kingdom, and ther eis no queen or Prime Minister, everyone bows to ME!!!!!!!!!}-Zarove

marriage is a formality,

{No, marirga eis a commitment. wihtoiut marirage, yo have " Im gonna live iwh to and have ex wih you."

Common law mariages do not have formal ceremoniel. A man and woman simpley agree to be man and wofe and make this statement plain and public.

Those ar elgally vlaid in some areas still, and vlaid naturlaly anyway.

Bu yo don evn wan thtat, you want epel to just start havign sex and livign togather, with no promise of remaining and no obligation, thus you want hem to settle for second best.}-Zarove

but all the things a good loving marriage has are already there if you really love each other,so marriage isn't necesarry anymore,

{Saying " its nto nessisary any more" means it was at one time, and hat cuad it nto to be now? your say so?

Likewise, Marirage is commitment and proise, it is NOT just sex and livign togather and likign eachother, as you seem to think.

This is why its STILL nessisay, to provide security for th coul,e, espeuclaly the woman.}-Zarove

but if you want to do it,to express your love for each other,no problem,but don't condemn our love of us who don't marry

{You condmen orself to a shallow, empty lif with relaitonshops that can "Poof" dissapear instantly becaue they base dn how one feels at the moment. Thats condemnation, marriage is freedom form that concern.}-Zarove

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.

"If the mate is not willing to forgive, the "marriage" can dissolve, in the eyes of the person(s) involved. So, what will happen to the lesser of the couple? Thrown out into the streets? No, they must rekindle the love they once had. Marriage is a commitment. It protects the marriage, its products, and society."

why should marriage dissolve,what kind of love is that when you are not able to forgive each other and that you need marriage from preventing of kicking each other out on the street...true love is also a commitment...maybe even a bigger than marriage,because you marry because you think marriage can dissolve things and prevent you from being on the street...so you don't have complete trust in the other person's feelings or your relationship...you need marriage to save your relationship and yourself also maybe

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.

zarove you [edited]i was talking about TRUE LOVE not sex,and don't take one sentence from my post and reply to it,you give it a complete different meaning that way,relpy to my whole post...and not to parts of it

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.

zarove you idiot,i was talking about TRUE LOVE not sex,and don't take one sentence from my post and reply to it,you give it a complete different meaning that way,relpy to my whole post...and not to parts of it

But i you TRUELY loved soemone you woidl WANT to commit to them, thus you WOULD mary them, even if just common-Law, get it?

You don want ocmmitment, you want "Love" to hodl it togather, but your own deifnition fo "Love" is grossly lacking, and you don even know what Love is, and yet condemn me for it.

For future note, calign peoel idiots is not allowed hee, elast of all is it wise to call a Moderator an Idiot.Think abut it.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.

SDQA

Can a person fall in love with more than one person? How would this be a good thing for a couple, when one spouse falls in love with another person? Afterall, it is love.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

' But i you TRUELY loved soemone you woidl WANT to commit to them, thus you WOULD mary them, even if just common-Law, get it?

You don want ocmmitment, you want "Love" to hodl it togather, but your own deifnition fo "Love" is grossly lacking, and you don even know what Love is, and yet condemn me for it. '

[no...there is no true love without commitment...you don't seem to see that,what is my definition of love zarove? when did i ever talk about it?]-sdqa

ps i was commited to her and i really wanted to be with her,but she was the one who broke up...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.

So, instead of isolating the miscalcuation of one relationship, you make the entire idea of Matrimony the fault. Hmmm? Is this the case?

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

Here is my idiotic-hair-brain solution:

1. Study the Christian way.

2. Become a Christian.

3. Find a Christian girl.

4. Follow the Christian doctrines.

5. If marriage is meant to be, get married after proper counseling by your religious leader. Do it right.

Then, maybe, your marriage will be of the lasting kind.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

But doesn the fact that she wa sin a suxal relaitonshio with oy and L,EFTprove my point? Se wasNTO cmmited, there was NOTHING holding her to you, and she LEFT .

Do you thinl she wodl ahv married you? If you had wanted?

If the anserr is no, then my poin is proven, a PROMISE of commitment is beter than just having a relationship a it PREVENTS such pain.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.

When all the chips are down, the one thing that a woman wants from her spouse is, you know it, commitment.

I believe that men are the same way.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

1: In one God, almightt, creator of the Universe, whom the Hebrews called YHVH

I don't

2: In living in acordance ot his will .

I don't

3: To be hinest, and not lie.

Agree

4: To not steal

Agree

5: to not commit fornicaiton or adultery.

Agree

6: To not murder.

Agree

7: To worship God and give him all praise.

I don't

8: and to act justly

You mean , stay on the right road / the road of justice ?? In that case , agree !!

9: to work toward knwoeldge and truth

Agree

10: to fulfill all obligaitons and promises

agree

11: To be coureous

I don't know what you mean by this , but do you mean with courious , getting knowledge by learning new things ?? In that case , agree !!

12: to be fair and just

Agree

We also beleive

1: That Jesus chrst died for thr atonement of sins.

2: That he was the Annointed, sent of God to save manking and show hi he way.

3: That God is Lord of all Creation.

I don't believe in religion & church & bible & those two creations created by mankind !!

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To Rod:

Suppose you meet a non-christian girl ??

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:

-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 08, 2005.

It would be easier for oxen to be evenly yoked. Imagine trying to yoke a mule with an ox.

The non-Christian would be a difficult person to be in a relationship with. I think there would be devasting conflicts between her and the Christian man. It is pretty simple. The conflict would stem from the differing beliefs--secular vs. sacred. I think the Christian would eventually have to cut loose the non-Christian woman. Unless, he has the charisma to convert her to Christianity, how else would he get her to the Gospels?

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

Unless, he has the charisma to convert her to Christianity

And what in case the christian left the faith for the girl , 'cause that's a possibility too !!

Or what in case of , 2 persons from 2 different religions ??

Also a relation between 2 believers from the same religion can jump off !!

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:

-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 08, 2005.

Anything is possible. I'm not saying that divorce does not happen to Christians; it does. But, when both are obedient to a Higher Authority, things tend to work better. The reason being, both are in common teaching and doctrine. The couple can avoid jeopardizing their marriage as a result to following Christian values. I'm not so sure that diverse denominational doctrines are that critical to a marriage. It could be, but I think that the basic tenets of Christianity are foundations for keeping the differences from splitting up a married couple. My wife is a Protestant and I'm a quasi-Catholic. You should see our fights. Just kidding.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.

You should see our fights.

TNA vs WWE :)

or

3PW vs CZW :)

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:

-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 08, 2005.