divorce indulgences

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Was I in a diabetic coma when they passed these out one Sunday...or what?

Whats up with the....:"Got married, got divorced, married again, divorced, got married, divorced again, became a paligamist, got married and divorced again....but none of it was in the Cathloic Church so ?"i can get married in a catholic church now."

Whats up with that?

-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), January 14, 2005

Answers

are you questioning the authority of the church?

-- rina (hellorina@aol.com), January 14, 2005.

Was I in a diabetic coma when they passed these out one Sunday...or what?

Kat,

lol -what exactly was passed out?

-- Daniel Hawkenberry (dlm@catholic.org), January 14, 2005.


divorce indulgences

-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), January 14, 2005.

There is no such thing as "divorce indulgences". The Catholic Church does not recognize divorce under any circumstances; and indulgences have nothing to do with divorce. However, the Church does recognize that a valid marriage requires that certain criteria be met; and it does have the authority and pastoral responsibility to declare when those criteria have not been met.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), January 14, 2005.

Kat,

Sounds pretty bizarre -did you get a copy you can post text of?

Does it possibly have anything to do with this:

POPE GRANTS PLENARY INDULGENCE FOR YEAR OF THE EUCHARIST



-- Daniel Hawkenberry (dlm@catholic.org), January 14, 2005.



Isn't consimating a marriage enough? It was back in the OT.

And I told ya I missed the day they passed out the paper

-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), January 14, 2005.


i guess no one understands kat's wry humor. i think she's trying to say that God created man and wife so that the two shall become one. so who has the right to break apart what God has put together? a marriage is not "valid" under certain circumstances (i.e. when a catholic marries a non catholic and they divorce so now the catholic wants to marry a protestant and they divorce and now the catholic wants to marry a catholic and it's all good cuz the other marriages were not valid)

and don't pull the old "the church says so" stuff on her. don't make her out to be a heretic for questioning this, when the people who divorce a million times are okay cuz they have a special paper called an anullment under their belts. Kat wants to know why the "divorce indulgences" are morally okay.

hey kat, it seems that this time you're the one who forgot to add the *sarcasm* next to your text! mwa ha ha

-- rina (hellorina@aol.com), January 15, 2005.


“who has the right to break apart what God has put together?” According to the Church, NOBODY, not even the Pope. You seem to think that the Church regards all non-Catholic marriages as “invalid”. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Church assumes every such marriage is valid, and anyone who claims otherwise must legally PROVE it is invalid in every individual case before they may marry in the Catholic Church.

And I’m sorry but if kat chooses to follow her personal interpretation of the Old Testament instead of what “the Church says”, then yes technically she is a heretic.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), January 16, 2005.


i don't think that kat is "following" her interpretation of the bible. i think she is trying to hold catholics to a higher moral standard than the rest of the world. if the secular world divorces all the time and the catholic world divorces all the time, then what is the difference between the two? we're supposed to be a light in this world and supposed to be salt, but if the salt loses it's flavor, then IT SUCKS. therefore, i think she's trying to call all catholics to stay salty and not rely on anullments to be technically in the moral right, but rather, stick with your spouse and make the most of it.

-- rina (hellorina@aol.com), January 16, 2005.

I'm a heritic? For simply stating a fact? First off the Catholic Church didn't exist it the OT!!! How can it make me a heritic for simply stating the fact that the catholic church did not marry people in B.C. It seems to me that the general consensis is that a marriage not made by the catholic church is not a valid marrage. Jacob went to Racheal and he knew her and they were married. Let me ask you this If i read the bible does that make me a heritic?

-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), January 16, 2005.


Kat, I said IF you exalt your interpretation of the OT above the Church’s teaching you are technically a heretic. I’m glad to hear you do not. Of course Rachel and Jacob were validly married. Christ raised marriage to the status of a sacrament and of course empowered the Church to regulate the rules for reception of it. But ALL marriages are made in Heaven, not just Catholic marriages.

“It seems to me that the general consensis is that a marriage not made by the catholic church is not a valid marriage.” This is certainly not the Church’s view, as I pointed out. It is true however that in the US and some other Western countries there are recently an increasing number of “marriages” contracted which do not seem to have the essential requirements for a marriage (fidelity for life, openness to children etc.).

“the catholic world divorces all the time” (rina) Not the Catholic world that I know. Have most of the diocesan marriage tribunals in the US in recent years tended to err too much on the side of findings of nullity? Probably, just as tribunals in most of the rest of the world have probably erred too much on the side of findings of validity. You seem to be implying that Catholics go around thinking “hmm that young blonde is sexier than my wife. I think I’ll divorce my wife and falsely convince the tribunal that my marriage isn’t valid, so I can marry the blonde and remain ‘technically in the moral right’.”

I’m not going to comment further on this as I don’t find this subject as fascinating as most here seem to.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), January 17, 2005.


Kat..I can see your point.

If I may?

How is it possible that the Catholic Church says that if two Protestants marry one another THAT is a valid marriage, yet if a Catholic marries a Protestant in the same church at the same service by the same minister on the same day, it's NOT a valid marriage (unless they got their bishop to say it's OK).

So say the both couples divorce. One of the Protestants wants to marry a Catholic..they cannot, because a Tribunal rules that the FIRST marriage in the Protestant Church was valid.

But the Catholic CAN because the Tribunal says his marriage was never really a marriage to begin with. As a matter of fact, he can "marry" as many times as he wishes in the Protestant church, and get multiple civil divorces, and still be declared "never married" as a Catholic and be free to marry in the Church.

This does appear to be just a tad strange.

-- Lesley (martchas@hotmail.com), January 17, 2005.


It is aparent that there will never be an answer that I desire. Apparently the church recongnizes the sanctity of marriage, just in other churches it doesn't recognize the sacrament. In the eyes of the catholic church, I understand that it would be a grave sin for a catholic to marry outside the church, because doctinally it is wrong and that would be forknowledge of the fact. But also if the church doesn't regognize the "sacrament" of marriage in other churches then those suposed married couples are simply sinful fornicators. But at the same time they are able to plead ignorance. But my question is that even if thier first marriage was not in a catholic church why would they then be able to divorce and remarry in the catholic church if at the same time they respect the sanctity of marriage in any

I just find it horrible that is seems to be so easy to get an anulment in the church these days.....thats really what my original post was about

-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), January 18, 2005.


I just find it horrible that is seems to be so easy to get an anulment in the church these days.....thats really what my original post was about

Kat,

In that clear and succint point you find agreement.



-- Daniel Hawkenberry (dlm@catholic.org), January 18, 2005.


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