Its true lets see how many people argue this one lol

-- 1 coffee 2 sugars thanks (teabag@allergictocoffee.milkdrink), January 12, 2005

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I dont care GOD is not real, and people who believe in god are weak they need to seek something that they do not have some thought that there is a higher being out there...BULLSHIT.

We all are strong enough to do the things we set our mind to its weather you have the will to actually do it.

-- WHITE PRIDE (klmg8@yahoo.com), January 12, 2005.

Wow quick response. I kind of agree though..

-- 1 coffee 2 sugars thanks (teabag@allergictocoffee.milkdrink), January 12, 2005.

Yeah quick i know, finishing up something else on this thing. Basically i think god was made created thought up a tool to control the dirty filthy peasents.

If your not educated and cant question your surroundings, and some guy says if you revolt against the king your going to a place called hell and you are fed that fucking shit every sunday and that. Of course you aren't going to do it.

-- WHITE PRIDE (klmg8@yahoo.com), January 12, 2005.

Who would care if he was black? You would be surprised at the wisdom of the bible. You would be surprised how many Doctors and lawyers would be out of a job if most people got alot more than just the rules. I dare you to go to intouch.org and go to his broadcast about landmine of jealousy. charles stanley shows how it effects all of our lives. For many folks it is at the workplace and for women, which i have seen, really pinpoints much of their misery. gets to the root of it. I think most men have a handle on jealousy and envy because of sports but it does affect us and makes us less than perfect. An atheist could get alot out of the message especially if he had forgiveness issues, a discontent wife. When you understand the wisdom of the teachings it is not such a bitter pill to swallow. http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/broadcasts/archive_tv_36079899.html or http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/broadcasts/archives_77395.html

-- Bill Brasky (brasky@openyoureyes.com), January 12, 2005.

I question the bible orgins. not sure if these are the best links but worth checking out if interested. Did jesus do real miracles?: http://www.geocities.com/logic_faith/miracles.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ origins: http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm

-- Xaphan (bl@h.com), January 12, 2005.

God is all and in all. I believe what the Bible says, that God is a spirit. Those of us who are believers, whatever race,color or culture,can perceive God as we need Him to be for us. Having seen some of the responses regarding this subject, I can already sense some of the responses to what I just wrote. My answer is still the same; He is all and in all, so therefore He looks like the person taht He indwells.

-- Shirley G. Brooks (Nbrooks152@aol.com), January 16, 2005.

If it helps you to think of God as black, go right ahead! I highly doubt you'll be offending Him.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 16, 2005.

i didnt say that to "offend Him" or anything, and it doesnt HELP me to think that geez I just SAID it cuz I felt lyk it..

-- 1 coffee 2 sugars thanks (teabag@allergictocoffee.milkdrink), January 19, 2005.

Yeah, White Power, it automatically means you're weak when you believe in God... what a dipshit. That has got to be the most close- minded (yes, you're fucking close minded. To use such broad generalization on a subject you have no proof of an existence or lack there of is very, very naive and ignorant) post on this discussion. Let me ask you something... what proof do you have that there ISN'T one? Hmm? To sit here and tell people who have faith to give you proof that there is not one is just a double edged sword that I can turn back on to you. You don't have shit. You're just some high school theologically uneducated dick who doesn't know his beliefs from his jailbait asshole.

-- Brent Arnodl (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 19, 2005.

i really doubt about the authenticity of the bible,it was the RCC who put the bible together...

anyway,people have tendencies to make up myths and legends...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 20, 2005.

Actually, it was the RCC who tried to lock up Bibles and keep them from public use. Back in the days of Constantine, the RCC seized all Bibles from the common people and locked them up to keep monopoly on the religious activities of that time. What the RCC said and did was truth, and anyone who defied it was a heretic. Not until a protestant successor to the throne came along were the Bibles unlocked, releasing the the scriptures back to the public for free use. So no, the RCC didn't have a conspiracy to impliment Bibles as to control people, they tried keeping them from us. The one thing that could in itself condemn their actions alltogether. Why keep something under wraps and unable to be distributed if it's the same message you're inforcing in your law? You don't, and that's why they did it, because they didn't practice the Bibles teaching anymore than the heretics they were condemning.

-- Brent Arnodl (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

Yeah except for the fact that fairies have always been known and will always be known as cute little girls with wings that run around throwing dust on people. And the fact that throughout history there has never been an account of anyone worshipping a fairy or battles because of a fairy, or radical events due to a fairy's magic dust.

Who gives a shit about fairies, it doesn't make any relevance to God. I don't see fairies being the center of convtroversy for thousands of years... do you?

-- Brent Arnodl (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

More equally credible in what sense? If you mean logical, then it is equally credible to say that we do not exist and that we are dreaming the words onto these computer monitors. So really, nothing can be proven. Nothing exists. Nice logic, but bullshit nevertheless. If you approach it from the standpoint you're coming from, then there is just as much proof of God as there is any other inanimate object or living organism in existence.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

Physical evidence? I don't think you're picking up on what I'm saying. The whole arguement of what I'm trying to make is the fact that without a higher judge of what is and is not real, we ourselves cannot determine something actual existence, nor can we claim our own.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

That's not belief, it's fact. Without a point of authority, reality and existence can be proven by noone, because we have all only lived this life where there is certainty in nothing. Scientists can prove things all they want, but it really doesn't mean that it actually "exists." You've never heard a scientist be able to prove our own existence, have you? No, because you can't. The fact is, you can't prove that anything is actually "real" or that is actually in "existence."

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

I never said that I beleived we were doing the dreaming nor did I claim to have the answers to the theory of non-existent universes. I was merely pointing out the flaw in the fact that you can't prove something exists. You can't prove that ANYTHING exists. So, God is just as much real as anything else, since you can't prove anything else to be in existence.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

Traela great posts!

-- Xaphan (Bl@h.com), January 22, 2005.

No, Treala, maybe if you could follow a conversation you could pick up on the fact that I was merely pointing out the flaw in your statement. I was taking your side and showing you that it doesn't fucking work that way, so really, you yourself just did the turn around by saying all that bullshit about how the mind is real. Which I agree with... so, who did the turn around? Me, or you?

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 22, 2005.

The trouble is Treala that it is quite clear from your posts that you do NOT really believe in fairies, you are just trying to make an asinine argument about religion. If you want to believe in fairies or nothing, go ahead. If you want to believe China doesn't exist, but there's an elaborate plot to make you THINK it does, go ahead.

In the big picture, no one really cares what you think. They don't care what *I* think either, we are just two nobodies here on the internet. At some point in your life though, you'll realize that there's a difference between arguing to see what's really true, and just arguing to waste time and make yourself feel good.

People believe in God because they feel His presence, like feeling the sun's warmth with their eyes closed. They *believe* that the sun is shining overhead even if they are indoors and can't see it or even feel it at the time. They don't need to walk outside and look at it to believe, or know it's there. Over 500 people saw Christ after He rose from the dead, and many were witnesses to His miracles. For many people that's proof enough, just like it's proof enough to say there is a country named China, even if you don't go there and prove it for yourself. If you can believe China exists (and the government is just faking the atlasses, satelite photos, etc. to hide something) you should believe that God just might exist too. The big difference between people who believe in God, and your fairies is that the first group is quite serious.

Why are you here on Earth, Treala? Do you really believe you are just a pile of dirt with the illusion of consciousness? I still find it hard to believe one could go through life being so insensitive to the world around them.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 23, 2005.

Agreed, and on top of that, OWNED.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 23, 2005.

you don't really believe in fairies therefore your argument is not credible. People can feel something even though it's not really there, (psychosomatic) people saw christ rise from the grave(source the bible?) just like they saw ufos 50 yrs ago. there fore your argument is not credible.

Why are you on earth treala or even posting this? you must believe in the one true god even if he is idle, possibly dead. you are insensitive there are flowers ectect. henceforth god.

-- Xaphan (Bl@h.com), January 23, 2005.

Xaphan,

Show me where 500 people saw a ufo and ate with and talked with the aliens. Where people saw paralytics from birth walk or the blind made to see, and I'll admit you've got a point. There's a big difference between that and some guy saying he saw a ufo, just like there's a difference between some guy asserting there's a country called China, and someone else showing tons of data showing there's a china.

there are flowers ectect. henceforth god.

Hey, good work! Maybe we can get on the same page after all.

Bazooja Koe

There's one other thing you could do, prove to me China exists.

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 23, 2005.

Do you really believe you are just a pile of dirt with the illusion of consciousness? I still find it hard to believe one could go through life being so insensitive to the world around them.

spirituality should be a deeply personal affair, to be explored in your own unique way. Science and Athiesm is just as valid a rationalization for one's existance as the religion/book in question. traela never said she didnt practice another method, such as those from the far east.

Traela, for further support from me u will have to acknowledge me in some way. Otherwise, I walk away without worry or ego.

-- Xaphan (Bl@h.com), January 23, 2005.

Joe, give me your source first.

-- X (Fulosht@tek.com), January 23, 2005.

Let us pretend trale said: Great post! The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

(kewl intro!) Joe, Your first post lacked for the most part substance, the reason I bring this up is because you are now asking me to do the leg work. I cannot provide 500 people or discredit the 500 people in the bible. I can post my view on the origins of the bible. it was born out of very human needs. 1. man was superstitious and lacked science. Gods and magic helped him when his people suffered from drought/famine. 2. Leaders of men possibly applying a moral code for followers. Kill, rape, steal and you will pay the eternal price of your soul. (not far from karma and a must when ur police force does not have advanced surveillance)

Hey, good work! Maybe we can get on the same page after all.

maybe! I also believe there are teeth, which proves the tooth fairy!

For anyone else, Alot of christians are quick to say islam,muhammad, the koran, are made up by man.. what makes the bible so different? how is it these stories can not be made up also by man. So, let us question the bibles origins. Spread the information. If new facts arise,(poss. by ppl like joe) let us put them together and see the full picture. If the bible is not true it does not mean there is not a god. it means we do not know as much and we can get rid of the christian mythology. http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm The overriding theme of the Bible storylines is the theme of cultural conquest. Conquest by the Hebrews over their enemy neighbors, culturally by the Jews over the Israelites (used here to mean members of the ten "lost" tribes), the Christians over the Jews, the Catholics over the Gnostics, Marcionites, and other pre- Catholic factions, and on and on. In some cases, the conquest is recorded as a historical, often military event.

To base one's religion on a scripture as deeply suspect as the Bible, and declare it to be absolutely inerrant and reliable, is to build one's religion on what is clearly a foundation of sand. If the lessons of recent Biblical scholarship mean anything, it is that the history of Christianity and the Bible it spawned is a very messy one that seriously calls into question the divinity, if not the validity of the message. To deny that fact is to simply deny reality.

friend reccommended these books: Tim Callahan's Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?

Secret Origins of the Bible This is all I have to say on the subject.. I go by Xaphan but call me..

-- X (Fulosht@tek.com), January 23, 2005.

OH SHap! WASN't Expectin that shite

-- X (..@..com), January 23, 2005.

Good work treala/ako!

-- X (..@..com), January 23, 2005.

WRONGO!! AKO fucked up an got owned like the little BITCH that he is!

-- (lactose@intolerant.com), January 23, 2005.

Xaphan,

Science and Athiesm is just as valid a rationalization for one's existance as the religion/book in question. traela never said she didnt practice another method, such as those from the far east

Sure they are ~valid~, the question is whether or not they are ~correct~. BTW, science isn't a theology, and doesn't claim to be.

Joe, give me your source first.

Help out a buddy here, a source for what?

yet nothing you posted puts a dent in my argument.this is the bottom line ,you have a choice ,either nothing can be proven as lord brent says or if you dont want to say that then i am right and we have to go with the physical evidence and methods of science that prove what is real. either I am right or we are all wrong!

No, that's your mistake! Science, is like a hammer, and it works great on its "nails", but you don't use the same tool for every purpose. For example, use science to find what the best music is. Use science to find out what the best color is. For ~some~ things science is NOT the proper tool for the job, and if you tried to study colors conclusively to find out which was the "best", you'd be laughed out of academia.

Similarly, science is NOT the proper tool to deal with faith or morals. Try reading the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc., which might help you, but pulling out your protractor isn't going to help much. If you are serious about trying to find meaning in life, you need to 1. ask the right questions and 2. look in the right places for the answers.

x,

I bring this up is because you are now asking me to do the leg work. I cannot provide 500 people or discredit the 500 people in the bible.

If you are a Christian, you believe Christ is the Son of God so Islam must be false. OTOH, a Christian WOULD say the Muslims at least believe in God, just incorrectly and not fully.

If the bible is not true it does not mean there is not a god. it means we do not know as much and we can get rid of the christian mythology.

You are going to throw away the most complete book of wisdom the world has ever had for.... what?

To base one's religion on a scripture as deeply suspect as the Bible

Suspect? LOL! Compared to what? Do yourself a favor, don't knock what you don't understand.

friend reccommended these books: Tim Callahan's Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment

Here's a better recommendation: start by reading THE BIBLE before reading some kook's interpretation of it.

Bazooka joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 23, 2005.

Took awhile for that response. I am confident in my post. i will let others decide.

-- X (...@..com), January 23, 2005.

What the same day wasn't fast enough for ya? What a doof.

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 24, 2005.

X - what do you mean you're confident in your post? When someone replies with something contrary to your previous posts and it in it's own way shows your post to be naive, you should either A) post back with why Joe isn't right or B) accept the fact that you have the intelligence of a sack of shit and are going to believe what you believe out of ignorance just because the truth isn't what you're truly searching for

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 24, 2005.

I choose C) none of the above and then I choose to hump lord brent's mom.

-- X (...@..com), January 24, 2005.

You are going to throw away the most complete book of wisdom the world has ever had for.... what? If I find out you are right, I have not prob converting.

What a doof. sticks and stones

-- X (..@..com), January 24, 2005.

LOL, "I CHOOSE 2 HUMB LORDBRENTS MOMMY" What a fucking retard. How witty you are... I'm sorry that someone with a third grade education in theology (which basically breaks down to jack shit) can't handle anything beyond theory and logic like you. Tell me one thing : would that be the first hump you ever had? Probably so, ya fucking kiddie.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 24, 2005.

Why do christians have potty mouths and listen to bands like nin? I will meet you at 3 o'clock in the school yard brent!

-- X (..@..com), January 24, 2005.

Excuse me? Show me one post where I stated that I was a Christian. Do talk and act like one? No, but I do believe in the Christian beliefs, I'm not just following them. You, on the other hand, justify yourself by saying that there is no God, which is denial in the utmost.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 24, 2005.

If the bible is not true it does not mean there is not a god. it means we do not know as much.

Taken from my other post. I noticed some things you said and assumsed. I asked some questions you didn't like. Boo hoo. If u want to continue to attack my character, go right ahead. I will not participate.

-- X (..@..com), January 24, 2005.

Black? i think maybe Shes chineese.

-- (windowcleaner@stuff.blah), January 24, 2005.

ho ho, everyone is stupid except me.

-- .. (Hom@r.simpson), January 24, 2005.

I think God is an advanced alien race who seeded this planet and checks up on us from time to time. Think about it, we can already clone animals. In my opinion, we haven't even scratched the surface of what can be accomplished with science. Imagine the technological wonders of a species that had mastered space travel. If you ever watch the Discovery channel they have a show about the Cargo Cult Theory. It talks about what happens when a primitive culture comes in contact with a much more advanced culture. The primitive culture will try to copy the more advanced. There are examples of this today in remote islands of the south pacific. Islands used for supply drops during the island hopping campaign of WW II. The resident natives clear out runways in the jungle and build large bamboo cargo planes. They do this to honor their "sky gods" who once visited them. They have also found statues of men in what appears to be space suits in ancient Inca and Mayan ruins. Also found were ancient amulets that were in the shape of aircraft. These amulets were scaled up to model airplane size and were found to be aerodynamically correct. Something else I feel is worthy of mention is that the ancient Egyptians where aware of the helix coil, or at least made drawings of them.

I know that this theory will probably be viewed as offensive by some or even crazy. However, just as life can exist in the deepest and most toxic environments at the bottom of our oceans. I feel that one might be foolish to assume that life could not exist anywhere else in this universe. Even if it is life unlike anything we could comprehend or imagine unless we were to have witnessed it. Any one can see the direction the human race is heading technologically. If we don’t destroy ourselves first, we may very well someday have the power over our own mortality and creation. So I ask this, what sounds more like mythology, created possibly to control the masses or possibly based from some actual events that may have misinterpreted? Which theory sounds more like our own natural evolution and progession to power?

-Serpentis 999

-- Serpentis (rememberwhoyouserve@myhouse.com), January 29, 2005.

It's not offensive, just irrelavent. It's like saying the earth sits on the back of a turtle, the next question is what does the turtle stand on, a bigger turtle?

Even if we came from aliens, the question arises: where did the ALIENS come from? There had to be a beginning somewhere, some prime mover, that's where God comes in.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 30, 2005.

Wow Joe... I'm actually finding myself agreeing with what you say. I mean, where did life start? Even if aliens came around and culitivated our societies, where did they come from? Did some other alien race come around and help them out before? There had to be a beginning, you're right, and is there a more logical explanation then a higher power? No, not really. What else can you say? "And then suddenly, from the void, EVERYTHING BLEW UP."? I'll go with the higher power.

Problem is, supposedly the God that created our universe talked to people and let himself be seen 2000 years ago, but as soon as people learned about that mythical new fad called 'hygeine', he dissapeared, never to be heard from again. That isn't too reliable in my book. I think that some power that we don't know about made everything, and trying to find out about it is pointless, so lets just be glad we're here and try to get on with our lives... :D

-- U msut Feers Me (Dubyalovesblow00@hotmail.com), January 30, 2005.

U,

It actually makes a pretty good joke too.

Once, a long time ago a man was unconvinced that the earth was round and said so to his pastor. The priest asked what he thought the flat earth sat on, and the man said, "a turtle". The priest then asked what THAT turtle sat on, and the man said, "a bigger turtle". What did that sit on? A bigger turtle yet. This went on for some time, and finally the man got a crafty yet exasperated look on his face and said,

"Look pastor, you just can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down!"

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 31, 2005.

No AKOFAGGOT, YOU shut up! Your imbecilic natterings only serve to prove to EVERYONE how ignorant and childish you really are!

-- (ain't tellin' @ you.com), February 07, 2005.