Who is Osama Endorsing --- New Video Tape

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Anyone seen the new video yet? Inside sources say it may make the race go either way.

Does anyone here believe Osama is a prophet of satan?

-- world (not@of.this), October 29, 2004

Answers

I odnt even know what your on abiut...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), October 29, 2004.

sorry zar I really didnt understand what you said that time. But fwiw, there is a new tape from al jazerra network with osama on it. Just in time for the elections. Your thoughts, I am trying to 'thought provoke'

-- world (not@of.this), October 29, 2004.

He is endorsing President Bush from beyond the grave.Osama probably died 2 years ago.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), October 29, 2004.

If he's dead, how did he know Kerry would be nominated 2 years ago?

-- Max Darity (arrowtouch@yahoo.com), October 29, 2004.

Govt seems to believe he is alive and well. Well he looked alive to me. Now govt is saying he maybe sending a message. Time will tell.

-- world (not@of.this), October 30, 2004.


i think he's trying to keep Bush in.

he knows that the Coalition would be stronger if it were a Coalition rather than the US and the Brits plus a hotch-potch assortment of nations that Bush struggles to remember.

the French, for example, have a lot of influence out there. there are a lot of Moslems in France. the French could be a good ally of the US. they should be invited in.

mes deux centimes. merdre!! mes deux cents.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 30, 2004.


Satan indeed. Maybe if more people got their common sense area of the brain to work more often and stopped believing in fairy-story idols like Jesus and satan then religious crusades, wars and hatred would cease. I am sure Osama is alive and well. Only a blinkered American would say otherwise. I also am of the view that this videos message is a reminder to Bush fans that their great leader never did actually stop Osama and that he is still here, still ready to carry out his Jihad. Why doesn't anyone see that even if Osama were to be killed....there are a million more ready and possibly prepared, to step into his place. The only way to end this is for one side to back down. Christians never do and never have so don't expect Bush to give a solution. Both are as bad as each other.

-- Paul Geaf (paulgeaf@softhome.net), October 31, 2004.

Mr Geaf

you couldn't be further from the truth.

this "war" has nought to do with religion. it has been facilitated by, on the Moslem side, the ability of warmongers to use the Koran to encourage suicide bombers. but it is not a religious war.

the Pope has condemned the war consistently. yes, condemned. he's religious, isn't he?!?!

whatever Pres Bush's motives, i cannot recall him ever using his faith to justify his involvement in the war (aside from one characteristic and innocent gaffe).

it is the lack of God in men's hearts that allows these things to happen. ignorance is no longer an excuse.

btw, consider this: Bin L is alive, and was captured months ago by the US; they pretend he is still at alrge, force him to make the video; the, on the eve of the election, they announce his capture.

now that's a conspiracy and a half.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 31, 2004.


I agree with some of what you say. I also have to point out that...come on! anyone can see their is a definite undercurrent of 'Muslim Vs christian' in this 'War'. Bush has many times used his 'faith' as a tool and a way of gaining support. Be it for the 'war' or any other of his half baked plans! In fact, if it weren't for the 'christian vote' he would probably not be in power right now.

I like the conspiracy though. Ive said things like that myself recentely. hehe. They would do so well if they could 'capture' Osama right before the voting began! :) Paul

-- Paul Geaf (paulgeaf@softhome_XYZNOSPAMPLEASEXYZ_.net), October 31, 2004.


"In fact, if it weren't for the 'christian vote' he would probably not be in power right now."

that's true, Bucky, but it's quite possibly because they want to oppose abortion - a far greater killer than war. people are allowed to vote for such reasons - that's democracy.

more than 1,000,000 abortions per year in the US. that's not to judge the abortionists - it's just a statistic - but you must wonder why this happens.

the same applies throughout the world. its a culling on a scale that Stalin could only ever dream about.

it's scary, friend. you don't need to be a Republican to see that.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 31, 2004.



"Bucky"

really sorry Paul.

there's another new guy posting here. and i am running in and out of the kitchen - roasting a chicken and some other bits for lunch. and am not very good in the kitchen.

i got very confused - obviously.

apologies.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 31, 2004.


It is obvious that the terrorists want Kerry to win, because Kerry is a pushover and these thugs stand a better chance to accomplish their mission, which is to kill Americans, if Bush is removed. (Don't let Osama control our voting process or future)

By insinuating that Bush has failed because "looky here, we are still alive and well" the terrorists will hopefully cause many voters to elect Kerry.

Easily influenced people will falsely think that they should elect Kerry and he'll fixed the imagined failure of Bush.

What I hope happens is that *thinking* people will recognize this scare tactic and ask themselves "why are the terrorists so desperate to get Bush out?"

In my opinion, this should backfire quite nicely and Bush will be re- elected and continue to make it impossible for these terrorists to function outside their small world. We really don't want them here, do we?

From someone who isn't posting anymore, but had to comment on this most important issue. Don't be deceived.

-- (think@tank.com), October 31, 2004.


Hi Faith!!

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 31, 2004.

Ian, do you really think that could be faith? Too cool, if so, hi faith and its safe to come back now.

-- world (not@of.this), October 31, 2004.

dear world

yes.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), November 01, 2004.



Satan indeed. Maybe if more people got their common sense area of the brain to work more often and stopped believing in fairy-story idols like Jesus and satan then religious crusades, wars and hatred would cease.

{Communism coems to midn here. an entire nation that taught in schools that these false idols liek Jesus and saan where myths... yeah those where the days, and so peaceful... all the hatred, emnity, and stirfe ended in thr USSR, and peace and liberty reigned...

Religion isnt fairy stories, and I am tired of that term beign tossed about. its not origional, you clealry didnt think it up yourself, and the only reason you repeat it is because ti demeans religion, not because tou actually beleive its all fairy stories. Even atheists who are educated dotn call them fairy stories.

As for hatred ending, Ian is correct, hatred, crime, and emnity, generally increase where religion is in the decline. Heck, just look at ( Real, not skeptic-based off the net or magazine) hisotry. Brittain wa sin dire straits at oen time, alcaholism, fowl language, teen pregnancies, mucg like today.However, the welsh revival ended all that. Crime rate plummeted, pubs where empties, men ceasesd to use fowl language, and the police had little to do!

Or the great awakening, wich cused massive cuts int he crime rates...

John wesley prevented Brittain form becoming apathetic and indifferent, and gugn the way of war that the rest of europe went into...

Yeah those fairy sories generate hatred, we better get rid of them...}-Zarove

I am sure Osama is alive and well. Only a blinkered American would say otherwise.

{Good thing Im not American...}-Zarove

I also am of the view that this videos message is a reminder to Bush fans that their great leader never did actually stop Osama and that he is still here, still ready to carry out his Jihad.

{Funny thing is, if everyone gav eup Beleif in Jesus, Ossamma would STILL be on the loose since they regard him ony as a Prphet... and barely speak of him...

Even funnier, are you American? If not, one wnders how eligable you are tyo speak of Bush. Ian can, icne Ian seems knpweldgable of Mswerican politics. I distrust hwoever most news agencies, and they woudl be the only real way you coudl get news on Bush.}-Zarove

Why doesn't anyone see that even if Osama were to be killed....there are a million more ready and possibly prepared, to step into his place.

{We know that, thats why Ossamma is only oen target, we are actually afte al queida, not Ossamma alone...Ossamam is as much a symbol as an objectve}-Zarove

The only way to end this is for one side to back down. Christians never do and never have so don't expect Bush to give a solution. Both are as bad as each other.

{You relaly don know what Christainity is, do you? What do you mean " Christains never back down and neve have"? Havebt you read " ATurn the other cheek"? You ar eignorant both of the Chrisyain faith, and Christin Histry. ( Probbabely want to thow abotu conqueast int he name of Jesus, and the usual ld Canards...)

No, its flase to say " Both sides are as bad as the other" and only an ignorant fool would. or soemone who wants to bash Christains, which I feel you may be. Stick around, you may learn soemthing about Christains... Likewise, this isnt relaly a war between Christaisn and Islam. Its a war against Al queda with its warped Veiw of Islam agaisnt the western world. IF we backed down in this instance, then Ossamma woidlnt stop. It woildnt ebd, instead, he woudl simpley step in and start makign demands. You do not defeat a bully by aqueesance.

If "The Christains" backed down, we may as well say goodbye to our liberties. After all, Ossamma woudl be callign the shots, and if we didnt do as he said he woudl attak us again. Is that relaly more sensable?}-Zarove

Later, uoi wote...

I agree with some of what you say. I also have to point out that...come on! anyone can see their is a definite undercurrent of 'Muslim Vs christian' in this 'War'.

{Not relaly... its mainly Al queda VS "The Infidel", which includes Atheists, Hindus. ect...

Likewise, no mater what you seem to think, Christaisn didnt start this war, nor if this was a war agaisnt only Christaisn and Muslims, if the Christaisn backed down, wodl that be wise.

Where the christaisn the aggressors? No. You say both sides are as bad as the other, btu I wudl rellay like an explanaton here.I relaly woild.

Did the CHrisaisn prvoke this attack? No.

Did the Christaisn do anyhtign to warent the attack? No.

Did those evil Christaisn who are just as bad do anyhting to justify these actions? No.

You may say you said both sides are as bad, but all your finger pointign is agaisnt "te Christains", so its obviosu the christaisn shodul just back down and five up their firy storoes then the war ends...Noive and tidy in your narrow world, but in relaity if the Christains back down in this case, Al Queda wins, and if Al qeda wins, the Jihad may end, but you knwo what else happens? Do they stop and go hoem and leave us alone? No, they start tellign u wo to vote for, who to trade wth, and what to do. They start takign us over, and makig us live under there rule.

The reason we MUST fight al queda is becUSE IF WE DONT stand up to them, they will simpley take over.

Again, they are bullies, and if you ever had to deal with a bully, you woudl relaise fll well that backing down only encoruages them. I know, i tried with a gang of bullies. You must cinfront them and remain consistant. Backign down isnt a sluiton here. }-Zarove

Bush has many times used his 'faith' as a tool and a way of gaining support. Be it for the 'war' or any other of his half baked plans!

{Sorry, but no. The war on al Queda isnt Half-Baked but by nessesity since the United states is clealry in Danger. The war on Iraq was half baked... }-Zarove

In fact, if it weren't for the 'christian vote' he would probably not be in power right now.

{ Yet he only won by a meager fragment of a percent... Im sure that in your world eiw, moist pepel arent christains, but do you relaly thing the 50% that vted aaist him where all NonChristains? Do you relaly think Christaisn only supported Bush? Al Gore is a Christain too!}-Zarove

In closing I woidl liek to ask you to develop a greater undersabdign of Christainity, Christain hisotry, theology, and beleifs, and not make such derogations agsinthte faith, and finger poitn as if this i all the Christaisn fault and if they back down it all ends happily. I mean, really, thats absurd...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), November 01, 2004.


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