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Try again, KOBEs. Use whatever bots you want. As for you, Wesson, you seriously think that anyone will beleive you're not at that location? I mean, holy crap, you couldn't even shut down this crap little forum, and now you're trying to pull yourself off as a smart computer 'hacker' who knows what hes doing. BS.

And I have some results on Kobe SBM at this site. To call the number to report abuse to his ISP, +1-800-927-3000. Go figure... Texas. Sheesh.

Wesson is just some little tool, so I've obviously got his number when it comes to online Activities, but for SBM, I'll have to wait and watch a little more, since I'm not 100 percent sure.

Y'know, the biggest downfall for people who want to destroy boards like this is actually POSTING on them, cause then myself, and the other mods, get a readout of a whole bunch of annoying stat stuff on the poster that we choose to keep to ourselves.

-- Kayce (k@laughing.com), October 26, 2004

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"Y'know, the biggest downfall for people who want to destroy boards like this is actually POSTING on them, cause then myself, and the other mods, get a readout of a whole bunch of annoying stat stuff on the poster that we choose to keep to ourselves."

Yes, I know. I have two webservers of my own, remember? You are only a moderator on this pathetic little forum, on a basic Linux box running this rather lame (and old) software. The "stat stuff" is nothing more than an IP address (mine is coming from Denmark today!), perhaps some post counts and nothing much else. The Linux server will show more information, but only what it can get from the last proxy in the chain. You dont know SHIT about computers or networking. You dont know where I am, what ISP I use, what my IP address is, NOTHING AT ALL.

When I get ready, this board will come down just as easily as the Anarchy board and the Government board did.

-- KOBE SBM (yourmama@kobehq.com), October 26, 2004.


Get a job.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), October 26, 2004.

I visited Kobe Sbm's wife this summer in Indiana and I gave her a pearl necklace. I also gave her a creampie. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-- Psychic Sid (psychicsid@psychicfriends.net), October 26, 2004.

A good hacker can be ready to hack within an hour. A smart hacker can get in and out without detection An idiot [ with no hacking skills ] Warns of his "attack" than re-attempts after said person fails.

KOBEs, seriously. Why? Spare yourself what little [ Granted any ] Dignity you have left, and just leave.

ILM

-- ILoserMan (iloserman@deflow.net), October 26, 2004.


Just so you know, Kobe, I'm backing up every thread on this bitch. So even if you dead this site, as soon as it goes back up again (and it will), we'll have every scrap of information on it. I know that deading forums is a rather popular (if not all too easy) practice on LUSENET, so I'm preparing now. So go ahead.

My question is the following: Why bother? We're not hurting you, and from what I can tell, some of you KOBEs even have half a brain in your head. I read a while back and I think you guys had several debates a few months ago. Some of you even have some interesting political ideas that you posted. Most of us...we're not bad people. I just started posting here to LEARN and even research. Just in the few weeks I've been here, I've learned more about US conflicts, the political candidates, alternative political parties, the media, foreign policy, and other stuff.

So why dead this site? We're not terrorists. Some of us just have different ideas about stuff. What you're threatening to do reeks of McCarthyism. Further, what will it accomplish? I'm backing it up and it's probably already been backed up, so the thread aren't going to just vanish. And even if they do, we're not all just gonna give up. The site will come back up and we'll start posting again. Why don't you become a site contributor? I mean, just tearing this site down tells me that you can't refute anything we've said so far. Impress us and prove somebody/something wrong.

Finally, any fool could destroy this site. It's archaic. You said it yourself. Is there some kind of challenge involved here? You're not one of those guys that still plays "Super Mario Bros" are you? If you are, then move on. Everybody's beaten that game. It's old news. If you're really some kind of computer badass, then why don't you hack John Kerry's website?

I'm not attacking you here. You're obviously not stupid. You're just behaving like a 3 year old that's gotten kicked out of the sandbox. You're having a tantrum, and trying to figure out a way to ruin the fun for the rest of the kids. Why don't you just quit crying and either post here regularly or go away?

-- Pasta (ziti@macaroni.com), October 27, 2004.



"So why dead this site? We're not terrorists. Some of us just have different ideas about stuff. What you're threatening to do reeks of McCarthyism. Further, what will it accomplish? I'm backing it up and it's probably already been backed up, so the thread aren't going to just vanish. And even if they do, we're not all just gonna give up. The site will come back up and we'll start posting again. Why don't you become a site contributor? I mean, just tearing this site down tells me that you can't refute anything we've said so far. Impress us and prove somebody/something wrong. "

Youre right, of course. The other Anarchy board was actually an ANARCHY board, and it was promoting a lot of anti-American shit that didnt strike us too pleasantly. That simple spamming from last night is not hacking (unless you have a special spamming tool which can run by itself). I wasnt trying to dead the site. If, however, we wanted it dead, it would be. We have demonstrated the fact that we can do it many many times over. Its part of our reputation. We arent going to kill this place, because of the reasons you stated:

"We're not terrorists. Some of us just have different ideas about stuff."

I agree. You guys dont seem like crazy anarchists ready to spray red "A" symbols on the hood of my Mercedes! It was the mysterious posting which came from someone from this board trying to incite retaliation. There are posts copied directly from our forums being used to accomplish this. There is no KOBE Wesson....we want to know who he is.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), October 27, 2004.


See, I'll admit, I was wondering this myself.

I mean, Im not saying that we knuckle into demands, but I was slightly curious as to what this site has done to cause ire.

Yeah, we discuss Anarchy, but as I said oh so many times oh so long ago, we wouldnt disuss Anarchy to commit it, but rather, to disuss different ideas and forms of government.

As for me knowing shit about computers and networking, that makes me giggle. I provide internet support for your damn country. Road Runner High Speed Internet? Yeah, thats Canada you're getting buddy, maybe my desk. Im Tech Support, Teir 2 (Due to a bunch of legal crap, we're not allowed to tell you exactly where in Canada the office is located, but if you keep persisting on the phone, Im pretty sure the closest location we're allowed to give is 'north of Toronto').

I'll admit, I have access to tools at work that I can abuse to find people and things, its one of the perks of the job. Think about it... what exactly would a net technician in another country need to work on someones computer... a LOT of computer communication software.

Road Runner High Speed Internet. I provide Internet support to your damn country, which is pretty funny. Teir 2. So it provides me with a lot of shit that we have to sign a huge contract saying we wont use for malicious reasons. But I do. Like this.

Like for example, I notice the verizon account you used was DSL in one instance. And that the account you most frequently use (which means its probably your own, home one) is not Verizon, but is still right smack dab in the good ol USA, still in good ol Texas, not denmark like you said.

Im willing to make you a deal. I can prove Im not bullshitting you (though, Im sure you're already sitting in your computer seat ready to dial Road Runner and report me... if ONLY you know my name, darn, and where the office I worked for was located), and maybe we can... scratch each others backs. Ill provide you with some information on how to aquire the tools Im using (I cant send them to you, I would definatly get busted on that, and then uh oh, no job), in exchange, you help find out who the hell Kobe Wesson is. One of your posters, or one of ours (Im scanning... and I really wish I had a post from AKO.) If you have an old IP addy of AKO sitting around anywhere, send it to me, or post it here, so I can do a comparison. I just have a sneaky suspicion, thats all. Unless this is all BS you're giving us, and Kobe Wesson really is one of yours. In which case, Ill just sigh and continue to defend our turf.

-- Kayce (kayce@hotmail.com), October 27, 2004.

I can agree. I'm CERTAINLY not anti-America. I was in the military, for God's sake. It doesn't exactly strike me as all too pleasant when someone bashes America for no reason. Yes, I'll admit, since I've been out, I've learned a lot of stuff that quite frankly, I'm glad I didn't know while I was in, but my stance is the following:

America was founded on the idea that all human beings have basic rights. Okay, you were born? Just that fact entitles you to X, Y, and Z - provided you're not infringing on anybody else's rights. And even as cynical as I've become, if I really felt like there was a legitimate threat to my XYZ or the XYZ of everybody in America, then I'd iron and shine all my GI and sign right back up to fight. This is why I joined the military. I'm more than willing to die to preserve the XYZ of my friends, family, and the next generation, unappreciative as they might be.

However, after a little homework, I think it's fair to say that Iraq has nothing to do with XYZ. It has to do with oil. What Bush says about spreading Liberty might actually strike a note with me, but if that's the case, then why aren't we pressuring Korea? China? Uganda? Cuba?

So, as off-topic as this is, and I know I certainly don't speak for everybody here, I would like to state for the record that I'm not anti-America, and on my good days, I'm not even totally against Capitalism. I am, however, * ahem* anti-BUSH, and anti-bipartisan. Anyway, that's my useless spill for the day.

-- Pasta (macaroni@cheese.com), October 27, 2004.


"So, as off-topic as this is, and I know I certainly don't speak for everybody here, I would like to state for the record that I'm not anti-America, and on my good days, I'm not even totally against Capitalism. I am, however, * ahem* anti-BUSH, and anti-bipartisan. Anyway, that's my useless spill for the day."

Well, I know that Bush aint the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he's still a whole lot better than Kerry. Since there are only two viable candidates to vote for, to me Bush is the best choice....not some botox injected socialite who thinks Teresa is a babe. Kerry just wants to WEAR the Presidency, not actually function as one. Its just like his Vietnam War career...get in so that he can say he was there, but then waffle out when it gets dicey.

Nothing wrong with dissent. If it werent for dissent, there would be no America. Im just against a philosophy which calls for ELIMINATION of government.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), October 27, 2004.


"Youre right, of course. The other Anarchy board was actually an ANARCHY board, and it was promoting a lot of anti-American shit that didnt strike us too pleasantly. That simple spamming from last night is not hacking (unless you have a special spamming tool which can run by itself). I wasnt trying to dead the site. If, however, we wanted it dead, it would be. We have demonstrated the fact that we can do it many many times over. Its part of our reputation"

Let's see, so it's anti-American to speak your mind, and you are doing your patriotic duty by eliminating any opinions YOU don't agree with? You're a dick, you know that? Talk about a goddamn power trip. Fuck you. I'm not even an Anarchist but I'd gladly take their side over yours any day of the week.

"I agree. You guys dont seem like crazy anarchists ready to spray red "A" symbols on the hood of my Mercedes!"

Well, I've never hit a Mercedes, but I've gotten a few Hondas and an Audi. Does that count?

" It was the mysterious posting which came from someone from this board trying to incite retaliation."

That was me.

"Kerry just wants to WEAR the Presidency, not actually function as one. Its just like his Vietnam War career...get in so that he can say he was there, but then waffle out when it gets dicey. "

Bush just wants to SELL the Presidency to big buisiness and the extreme right. What an alternative.

"Nothing wrong with dissent. If it werent for dissent, there would be no America. Im just against a philosophy which calls for ELIMINATION of government."

Translation: Nothing wrong with dissent, so long as it doesn't contradict what I believe. After all, I am a KOBE, therefore making my opinion much more valid than yours.

Welcome to America, asswipe. Don't like what somebody says? DON'T READ IT. Get off your power trip.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), October 27, 2004.



"Bush just wants to SELL the Presidency to big buisiness and the extreme right. What an alternative."

We live in a capitalist country. All other countries are actually capitalist too, except they are a lot less forthcoming about it. Resources on this planet are limited. SOMEBODY is going to exploit them, and if that is the case, then America should be the one to do it. This nation is one of the most BENEVOLENT coultries ever to exist (dont shake your head). There is nothing like C.A.R.E or the Red Cross based in any other country. No other country has ever initiated dangerous airlift operations just to deliver food and medical supplies to other countries. America WORKS.

I prefer to play a proactive role in my patriotism, not a passive one. I cant just turn the other way when I have the power to deliver damaging blows to my enemies. You do your thing, and we will do ours. You can just as easily ignore us as we can ignore you. I admire your courage in standing up for what you believe (whatever that is). Currently, our target is the IMC network. Other groups similar to KOBE are attacking other anti-American propaganda sites. We are winning. The fight goes beyond the transient authority that is the Presidency. This is about Western-style Democracy, not Bush or the war in Iraq. Think LONG RANGE.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), October 28, 2004.


"Im willing to make you a deal. I can prove Im not bullshitting you (though, Im sure you're already sitting in your computer seat ready to dial Road Runner and report me... if ONLY you know my name, darn, and where the office I worked for was located), and maybe we can... scratch each others backs. Ill provide you with some information on how to aquire the tools Im using (I cant send them to you, I would definatly get busted on that, and then uh oh, no job), in exchange, you help find out who the hell Kobe Wesson is."

KOBE is not going to go after you or this board. I appreciate the offer for the tools, but we are quite well equipped ourselves. Here is an article which was posted by Stephen DeVoy about KOBE way back on November 23, 2002. The kobehq website went online on November 4, 2002. A lot of what he said was true. Its two years later, and we have grown quite rapidly and acquired (or designed) tools which can do some amazing things. The internet has documented our actions (use any search engine). Thanks for the offer anyway.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), October 28, 2004.


Forgot the link to DeVoy's article! Here it is: http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/11/3228.shtml

Here are some others:

http://dcregistry.com/forums/politics/messages/1184.html http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/08/1692209.php http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1546683_comment.php?theme=default KOBE help put Sherman Austin in jail: http://www.publicenemy.com/pb/viewtopic.php?p=16111 http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/14536/index.php http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/18390/index.php http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/83126_comment.php

Those are just a few links, and they werent posted here to brag about our "evil deeds". I just want you to realize how serious we are about what we do. We dont just attack random targets, and we have more substantial reasons than faddish political trends to motivate us.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), October 28, 2004.


"We live in a capitalist country. All other countries are actually capitalist too, except they are a lot less forthcoming about it. Resources on this planet are limited. SOMEBODY is going to exploit them, and if that is the case, then America should be the one to do it."

Somebody's got to wreck the environment and exploit the brown people on this planet, might as well be us, right?

"This nation is one of the most BENEVOLENT coultries ever to exist (dont shake your head). There is nothing like C.A.R.E or the Red Cross based in any other country. No other country has ever initiated dangerous airlift operations just to deliver food and medical supplies to other countries. America WORKS."

Actualy a lot of countries give a higher percentage of their GNP to foreign aid...the US just gives more money in total...it's like that biblical story (yes, I do read the bible) about the rich people who give a whole bunch of money to the temple, while one poor lady who only has ten coins to her name gives one coin...who is more generous? The rich person who gave a whole lot of money or the poor lady who gave one tenth of all she had? Now obviously no nation is giving one tenth of their wealth to foriegn aid but a lot of countries are giving a greater amount per capita than the United States. The idea that we are the most generous nation in the world just isn't true (and what we do give is usualy overshadowed by the damage we do).

"I prefer to play a proactive role in my patriotism, not a passive one."

Since when is silencing dissent patriotic? You have one sick, perverted idea of patriotism, my friend.

"I cant just turn the other way when I have the power to deliver damaging blows to my enemies."

FREE SPEECH IS NOT YOUR ENEMY, YOU CRAZY SON OF A BITCH!

"You do your thing, and we will do ours. You can just as easily ignore us as we can ignore you."

I can't ignore you pigs threatening free speech. I won't ignore it. If you're going to shut anybody down, shut me down first, tough guy. Since you're such hot shit, why don't you fuck with me? I'll take you. Bring it on, you fucking fascist.

"Other groups similar to KOBE are attacking other anti-American propaganda sites. We are winning. The fight goes beyond the transient authority that is the Presidency. This is about Western-style Democracy, not Bush or the war in Iraq. Think LONG RANGE."

Ah, I see, you want to completely shut down dissent and turn the country into a police state. Is that long range?

"Those are just a few links, and they werent posted here to brag about our "evil deeds". I just want you to realize how serious we are about what we do. We dont just attack random targets, and we have more substantial reasons than faddish political trends to motivate us."

What the fuck did Sherman Austin do to you? He dissagreed. That was his crime. He failed to yell "SIEG HEIL!" loud enough. He never hurt anybody. He dared to criticize the government. What a threat to society. You guys really suck, you know that. Hey, why don't you turn me in while you're at it? Go ahead. Give my name to John Ashcroft. I don't give a shit. I want you to. Since you're such a badass with computers, why don't you trace my IP and find out everything about me and send it right over the the Dept. of Homeland Security? Do it. Now. I dare you. I'm not afraid of you fascists.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), October 28, 2004.


Hey hey hey I am a fascist my friend don't acuse all fascists of being like the Kobes. Go to hateandflame.com and go to what the fuck to read all the TRUTH about fascism.

-- Lt. Breeden (Anunnaki God@aol.com), October 28, 2004.


The whole idea of facism is forcing your views on someone else through either coercion or violence. The whole idea of being a facist is to stifle dissenting opinions, and find yourself the only one in a position of power. Facists don't like free speach. So, if you actually adhere to these disgusting morals, you're much more like the KOBEs than you think.

-- U must Feers Me (Dubyalovesblow00@hotmail.com), October 28, 2004.

Yeah, I'll agree with Anti on this one, what's wrong with being anti- Government? Its your right not to like whos in charge, just like its your right to do something about it. However, its not your right to cram your views and force your ideas upon other people, such as Die Muslim Die, which seems to be a popular topic at your site. America, Land of the 'Free' is a fucking joke, because by giving freedoms, essentially, people like you SBM have been given the freedom to try to take away other peoples. Which is wrong, abuse of the system, and hypocritical.

A law will never be passed in the near, or even close long term future banning ethnic origins from the country. Too many Liberals are on the loose (as much as you may loathe that fact, you have to admit, its true. The world has changed a lot since 1950) and wouldn't stand for it. Too many other countries WITH Neuclear Armament wouldn't stand for it. Hell, Canada, as much as we would be a cinder ash in a second if we even poked a stick at the states, wouldn't stand for it.

Its not even a fight with meaning that makes martyrs out of people, in case you did fail or some law put you away. It just makes you look like the dying upper class of the third reich; holding on to a stupid ideal.

Being Anarchist, or Communist (And I wear a hammer and sickle around my neck for a reason, since deep down inside I have a dream that could never work) is the right of the people, even by American law. Look around the world, only third world countries, like the ones that have people who you dont like, still have laws based on ethnicity, politics, religon and sex.

-- Komrade KC (kc@commie.com), October 28, 2004.

"The whole idea of facism is forcing your views on someone else through either coercion or violence. The whole idea of being a facist is to stifle dissenting opinions, and find yourself the only one in a position of power. Facists don't like free speach. So, if you actually adhere to these disgusting morals, you're much more like the KOBEs than you think. "

have you even payed atention to anything i have said about a sucessful athenian based fascist nation?

"Yeah, I'll agree with Anti on this one, what's wrong with being anti- Government? Its your right not to like whos in charge, just like its your right to do something about it. However, its not your right to cram your views and force your ideas upon other people, such as Die Muslim Die, which seems to be a popular topic at your site. America, Land of the 'Free' is a fucking joke, because by giving freedoms, essentially, people like you SBM have been given the freedom to try to take away other peoples. Which is wrong, abuse of the system, and hypocritical."

they are manipulationg and destroying the system they want to save. ineffect they are doing what fundementalist/nazi terrorist want. Ever read the turner dairies?

"A law will never be passed in the near, or even close long term future banning ethnic origins from the country. Too many Liberals are on the loose (as much as you may loathe that fact, you have to admit, its true. The world has changed a lot since 1950) and wouldn't stand for it. Too many other countries WITH Neuclear Armament wouldn't stand for it. Hell, Canada, as much as we would be a cinder ash in a second if we even poked a stick at the states, wouldn't stand for it."

The states have the right to segergate if they so choose. Anouther thing you by owning a business are supposed to have the right to say "no i wont employ a nigger" yet the supreme court like usual destroyed those individual rights and state rights instead of allowing american masses the ability to choose their own fate. LOL fuck what the world thinks of us I have seen the world trust me most nations have no room to point at us.

"Its not even a fight with meaning that makes martyrs out of people, in case you did fail or some law put you away. It just makes you look like the dying upper class of the third reich; holding on to a stupid ideal."

Remember it is only "stupid" because they invaded all of europe lost a bunch of men and then fucked with 2 superpowers at the same time. If they had pulled off the Soviet Invasion we could be saying something very different. The bad guys are always the ones that lost the war who ever controls the present will be considered the "good guys"

"Being Anarchist, or Communist (And I wear a hammer and sickle around my neck for a reason, since deep down inside I have a dream that could never work) is the right of the people, even by American law. Look around the world, only third world countries, like the ones that have people who you dont like, still have laws based on ethnicity, politics, religon and sex. "

why support a system that doesnt work?

-- Lt. Breeden (Annunaki God@aol.com), October 28, 2004.


ANSWER TO "Anti-Bush":

"I can't ignore you pigs threatening free speech. I won't ignore it. If you're going to shut anybody down, shut me down first, tough guy. Since you're such hot shit, why don't you fuck with me? I'll take you. Bring it on, you fucking fascist."

YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. You will either ignore it, or passively watch it happen before you. Doing anything else to stop us is beyond your abilities. We are shutting down sites or assisting shutdown operations being coordinated by allied groups. There is nothing you can do.

Anarchists are the enemy of ANY nation with a government (which is all of them). There is no place for anarchy anywhere in human existence now or ever. I dont want America to become socialist, communist or anything other than a federal democracy. Anything which threatens the stability of my country is my enemy. We have the ewapons to combat the threat and we use them. Very simple.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 01, 2004.


Kobe,

Actually, you might be making a big mistake by trying to shut down forums, although it probably makes you feel good at the time. If any movement DID get serious, the FBI could track them through their internet trail, whereas if guys like you get people to talk without a trail, they will be much to locate when necessary.

In other words, YOU are helping to destroy the country you are seeking to protect by your Nazi tactics. Good going there, Einstein.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 01, 2004.


they will be muchHAREDER to locate

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 01, 2004.

they will be muchHARDER to locate

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 01, 2004.

They wont be harder to locate at all. KOBE works with the FBI and the DHS all the time. We never do anything to interfere with their operations. Its wasnt KOBE who arrested Sherman Austin, but we sure as hell helped make it happen. The FBI does not have the resources to track every suspicious individual, and without constant monitoring, any forum or website can become a conduit for concealed messages or plans for violence. We arent new at this at all.

Please stop thinking of KOBE as some group of teenagers just trolling the net for vulnerable targets to destroy. What we do is far more serious, and we are much more powerful than you seem to think. We are comprised of IT professionals, ex-military, law enforcement, media, etc. We have operatives in many states. If you just keep things on this board as they are, you dont have anything to worry about as far as KOBE or the FBI is concerned. You dont call for protests or demonstrations as the IMC network and other sites do. As soon as you start doing that, you cross the line.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 01, 2004.


Bill of Rights

Amendment I

"Congress shall make no law...abridging the...right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances..."

Right.

"don't call for protests or demonstrations as the IMC network and other sites do. As soon as you start doing that, you cross the line."

Who exactly are you protecting here?

-- Pasta (macaroni@cheese.com), November 01, 2004.


You are so not getting the big picture. Just read this article entitled "Hack the RNC" posted at many IMC centers just before the RNC: http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/15296_comment.php

The IMC centers and a few other left wing and anarchist websites have attempted such actions, and we have shut them down or gotten their domains suspended indefinitely. If you play with sharp tools, you might get hurt. This board is about dissent, but its not yet a target for a shutdown operation. If it becomes a nuisance, it will be shut down. Not just this board, but the whole freakin site.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 01, 2004.


Here is an interesting article I think you should read: http://www.livejournal.com/users/anniesj/331112.html

Here is an excerpt:

"A couple of weeks ago, following the last presidential debate, I said some rather inflammatory things about George W. Bush in a public post in my LJ, done in a satirical style. We laughed, we ranted, we all said some things. I thought it was a fairly harmless (and rather obvious) attempt at humor in the face of annoyance, and while a couple of people were offended, as is typical behavior from me, I saw something shiny and forgot about it, thinking that the whole thing was over and done and nothing else would come of what I said.

I was wrong.

At 9:45 last night, the Secret Service showed up on my mother's front door to talk to me about what I said about the President, as what I said could apparently be misconstrued as a threat to his life. After about ten minutes of talking to me and my family, they quickly came to the conclusion that I was not a threat to national security (mostly because we are the least threatening people in the entire world) and told me that they would not recommend that any further action be taken with my case. However, I do now have a file with the FBI that includes my photograph, my e-mail address, and the location of my LJ. This will follow me around for the rest of my life, regardless of the fact that the Secret Service knows that I am not a threat"

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 01, 2004.


If you just keep things on this board as they are, you dont have anything to worry about as far as KOBE or the FBI is concerned. You dont call for protests or demonstrations as the IMC network and other sites do. As soon as you start doing that, you cross the line.

I don't know what country you live in, this being the internet and all, but the right to peaceful protest is as American as apple pie. I'm sure you'd be out with a fire hose during the civil rights struggle, etc., but the ability for people to "protest and demonstrate" is one of the things that make America great, even if one disagrees with the protesters. If you disagree with THAT, IMO you are a poor American.

Now keep in mind you said "protest and demonstrate", this should be ENCOURAGED, not discouraged in any free society. OTOH, if what you really meant was violence aimed at innocent people, of course that is to be stopped before it happens, if possible.

I must say it's pretty pathetic if the aim of your group is to stiffle the voices of people who disagree with you though. Remember pal, the day may come when YOUR group is the minority opinion, and if you've used your time in the majority to make sure the majority stifles all dissent, when you are on the bottem, you chance for getting heard will be nil, not to mention the difficulty you'll have getting out of prison for attempting to express your ideas.

Please stop thinking of KOBE as some group of teenagers just trolling the net for vulnerable targets to destroy. What we do is far more serious, and we are much more powerful than you seem to think. We are comprised of IT professionals, ex-military, law enforcement, media, etc

Big deal. Stalin's forces were very powerful in Russia too, that didn't mean they were right, or that the millions of innocent Russians they killed should have been. You've got a couple of guys that like to harass people on the internet (at least you claim to), I'm sure hackers and white power groups can say the same. The real question is, what makes you CORRECT and not the other guy waving a stick? That's the part you seem to be weak on.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 01, 2004.


Im against stifling dissent. Im against infringement of the First Amendment. I also recognize (as does the government) that certain leftist groups interpret the First Amendment as having the ABSOLUTE right to free speech, and abuse that right to harm others. We dont have a problem with people who disagree with us, since you are obviously one of them. You sound intelligent and you write well. I have no issue with you personally. If, however, you decided to take an offensive stance and try to attack my group or myself, I would be obligated to retaliate.

"...the day may come when YOUR group is the minority opinion, and if you've used your time in the majority to make sure the majority stifles all dissent, when you are on the bottem, you chance for getting heard will be nil, not to mention the difficulty you'll have getting out of prison for attempting to express your ideas."

Aint gonna happen. The "powers that be" are very unlikely to give up the conservative mindset which preserves the hierarchy. The ones who will suffer are the more radical elements of our society. If you are an anarchist, you have MANY MANY enemies. If you are a communist or a socialist, you have fewer enemies, but still more than a Democrat or a Republican might have.

"Big deal. Stalin's forces were very powerful in Russia too, that didn't mean they were right, or that the millions of innocent Russians they killed should have been. You've got a couple of guys that like to harass people on the internet (at least you claim to), I'm sure hackers and white power groups can say the same. The real question is, what makes you CORRECT and not the other guy waving a stick? That's the part you seem to be weak on."

Is that right. Stalin turned a Monarchy into a communist revolution. He replaced the former government with a new one, and that is NOT going to happen here. All of you people belonging to shit which is alien to the United States (communists, anarchists, socialists, etc.) are my enemy, and I will fight you with everything Ive got.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 01, 2004.


Im against stifling dissent. Im against infringement of the First Amendment. I also recognize (as does the government) that certain leftist groups interpret the First Amendment as having the ABSOLUTE right to free speech, and abuse that right to harm others.

Well, we have some common ground then. I support people expressing their disagreements, or thoughts on whatever issue interests them. I am wholeheartedly against someone performing the equivalent of shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. With all rights come responsibilities. Also, there are extreme RIGHT wing groups that abuse their rights as much as the lefties do.

If, however, you decided to take an offensive stance and try to attack my group or myself, I would be obligated to retaliate.

This is out of line. It's a couched threat, and that is NOT conductive to free discussion. It's also ineffective as it doesn't hit home -- since other than a steak, I have stated I don't know what a "Kobe" is, it doesn't make sense to say I would want attack you or your group, does it? After all, I doubt "KobeSBM" is your real name, I'm not likely to show up at your meeting-room with a baseball bat and chase you around the room. The world is a big place, enjoy it! Just like the guilty flee when no man pursueth, the paranoid find enemies under every woodpile. I'd bet if you spent more time trying to find common ground with people, you'd find most people have lots in common with you, and are not really your "enemies".

Aint gonna happen

Already has. You used to be able to get on a plane with a handgun ON you, in your car, you didn't need to wear a seatbelt if you didn't want to, you could run your own business how you pleased, raise your family how YOU saw fit. Now the government has its hands and decrees in everything. If you are trying to protect true freedom, that battle is lost. My advice to you would be to find some common issues with people that want the same thing you do and try to retake some of the freedoms that have been lost in this century.

If you are an anarchist, you have MANY MANY enemies. If you are a communist or a socialist, you have fewer enemies, but still more than a Democrat or a Republican might have.

I agree with this, but for a different reason: *Anyone* in any country who disagrees with the powers-that-be in thier area has a powerful group of enemies. People who have power usually don't want it shared. Unless you ARE in the exclusive club of the powers-that-be, then you are in the group affectionately known as the common man. Many people imagine they are in the Powers, but find out they aren't when something bad happens, and they are left holding the sack. Look honestly at yourself, and if you aren't a billionaire, perhaps you should work harder at restoring the rights of your fellow American citizen than sticking up for those who are using a few misguided individuals to gain control of everything.

All of you people belonging to shit which is alien to the United States (communists, anarchists, socialists, etc.) are my enemy, and I will fight you with everything Ive got.

You may be doing the right thing for yourself, and you may not be. Mindlessly supporting the current powers-that-be is NOT supporting America or Americans! America is supposed to be to about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Are your powers-that-be FOR that for the American citizen (other than themselves), or are they for paying less than minimum wage to their illegal alien servants? Are they for a good education for ALL American children, or only theirs? If they are acting to benefit all Americans, I say support them 110%! OTOH, if you step back and see them concentrating their hold on our country and only serving themselves and their cronies, you'd best support your fellow Americans before it's too late to do so.

Bazooka Joe

P.S. I do agree you should be trying to do what you believe in though, that's the American way. The way of MY America. If what you are doing is honestly what you think helps the American citizen, more power to you.

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 01, 2004.


I like you already. A man who sticks to his convictions and can back them up intelligently and consistently. If only other leftists were like you, there would be more healthy debate and less "die ins" and red ink stained fur coats.

"I agree with this, but for a different reason: *Anyone* in any country who disagrees with the powers-that-be in thier area has a powerful group of enemies. People who have power usually don't want it shared. Unless you ARE in the exclusive club of the powers-that- be, then you are in the group affectionately known as the common man. Many people imagine they are in the Powers, but find out they aren't when something bad happens, and they are left holding the sack. Look honestly at yourself, and if you aren't a billionaire, perhaps you should work harder at restoring the rights of your fellow American citizen than sticking up for those who are using a few misguided individuals to gain control of everything."

Good points. I would be considered in the Middle Class. I make about 120K/year, drive a Mercedes, and work as a Systems Administrator for an aerospace company. I dont think that makes me qualify for the "powers that be" group. It does, however, make me quite aware of the disparate level of taxation I have to bear, and property taxes are ridiculous. Why is this so? Because the Left somehow feels that support for pork barrel assistance programs (whose money is invariably diverted to other sources) needs to come out of MY POCKET. Every time I see a welfare recipient shopping in the market with a Food Stamp card (while they buy liquor with the cash), my blood boils. Every time I see a healthy, able-bodied male (of any race) standing on a corner begging for MY money, my blood boils. Every time I read about the overcrowded school system and health system, I think about the illegal aliens boiling in over our borders and then being given the innocuous label "undocumented immigrant" when they are actually ILLEGAL INVADING CRIMINALS. The left is giving America away bit by bit.

I would rather the Right wing protectionism be in control rather than naieve mealy mouthed left wing "politically correct" morons who want to give it all away. Capitalism=Profit driven. I like it that way.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 01, 2004.


"Anarchists are the enemy of ANY nation with a government (which is all of them). There is no place for anarchy anywhere in human existence now or ever. I dont want America to become socialist, communist or anything other than a federal democracy."

Ah, so we've finaly given up pretending you have some noble motive behind this internet fascism and come out and admitted that it's all about you. You don't like what they have to say, so you are doing the country a favor by shutting them down. You get to decide what speech is acceptable and what is not, based on whether it represents something you want. Get a less Stalinesque hobby, you self-important prick.

"They wont be harder to locate at all. KOBE works with the FBI and the DHS all the time."

I suppose you help run the new government-issued showers for all the dissidents too, right?

"The FBI does not have the resources to track every suspicious individual, and without constant monitoring, any forum or website can become a conduit for concealed messages or plans for violence. "

So they enlist the help of a middle-aged fuckup in a mid-life crisis who wants a chance to play his own twisted version of cops and robbers.

"If you just keep things on this board as they are, you dont have anything to worry about as far as KOBE or the FBI is concerned. You dont call for protests or demonstrations as the IMC network and other sites do. As soon as you start doing that, you cross the line. "

That reminds me. There will be protests and demonstrations in DC on wednesday (no matter who wins the election) to protest the fact that both candidates are representitives of the establishment and nothing will change. The next four years will feature the same corporate control, the same environmental destruction, the same expansion of the military-indistrial conplex, ect. The protest will be unauthoritzed and unpermitted (and very loud). I'm gonna try to go. If anybody reading this can make it to Dupont Circle in Washington , DC, the protest starts at 8 AM.

Organized in part by some good friends of KOBE's, the Anarchist Coalition.

"The IMC centers and a few other left wing and anarchist websites have attempted such actions, and we have shut them down or gotten their domains suspended indefinitely. If you play with sharp tools, you might get hurt. This board is about dissent, but its not yet a target for a shutdown operation. If it becomes a nuisance, it will be shut down. Not just this board, but the whole freakin site."

Fuck you. Target away. I bet if the site encouraged people to hack the DNC website you wouldn't lift a finger, you hypocritical bitch.

Oh, and by the way, I encourage everyone to hack the RNC website.

"Im against stifling dissent."

Let's see...first you shut down sites that you don't agree with and help the FBI arrest innocent people who spoke out against the government...and then you turn arround and say you're against stifling dissent...the Republicans have a word for that...what is it?

Oh yeah, FLIP-FLOP!

"If, however, you decided to take an offensive stance and try to attack my group or myself, I would be obligated to retaliate."

Fuck you. Think you're such hot shit? Why don't you be a man and fight me? I'm only 16 but I'll kick you're saggy, wrinkled middle- aged ass. Track me down and come down here if you're such a big shot.

"Aint gonna happen. The "powers that be" are very unlikely to give up the conservative mindset which preserves the hierarchy. The ones who will suffer are the more radical elements of our society. If you are an anarchist, you have MANY MANY enemies. If you are a communist or a socialist, you have fewer enemies, but still more than a Democrat or a Republican might have."

Ok, so that makes the sorry state of our nation ok. That makes it ok that big corporations are raping the environment. That makes it ok that the infant mortality rate of Washington DC is higher than that of Cuba. That makes it ok that people are digging through the dumpster for a meal while we spend more and more money every year on bigger and better (and cooler-looking) ways to murder people around the globe. Fuck you. Fuck you and everyone who looks like you. You are a cold-hearted son of a bitch who thinks he's better than everyone else and you're wasting my oxygen.

"Is that right. Stalin turned a Monarchy into a communist revolution. He replaced the former government with a new one, and that is NOT going to happen here. All of you people belonging to shit which is alien to the United States (communists, anarchists, socialists, etc.) are my enemy, and I will fight you with everything Ive got."

You're an idiot. Joe was comparing your tactics of shutting down sites you dissagree with to Stalin's tactics of using his superior power to silence dissent. The comparison is right on. You just missed it and went on some totaly irrelevant point about monarchies and communism. Congradulations on embarrasing yourself.

"Also, there are extreme RIGHT wing groups that abuse their rights as much as the lefties do."

Very true. How many right-wing sites has KOBE, our heroic crusader for democracy, shut down?

"I would be considered in the Middle Class. I make about 120K/year, drive a Mercedes, and work as a Systems Administrator for an aerospace company. I dont think that makes me qualify for the "powers that be" group. It does, however, make me quite aware of the disparate level of taxation I have to bear, and property taxes are ridiculous. Why is this so? Because the Left somehow feels that support for pork barrel assistance programs (whose money is invariably diverted to other sources) needs to come out of MY POCKET. Every time I see a welfare recipient shopping in the market with a Food Stamp card (while they buy liquor with the cash), my blood boils. Every time I see a healthy, able-bodied male (of any race) standing on a corner begging for MY money, my blood boils."

Please. The myth that all your money is going to the welfare mothers is the biggest and best executed right-wing lie in modern history. Wnna know who's getting all the welfare? Big buisiness. They move their "headquarters" offshore and most end up paying no taxes while still recieving huge government subsidies. The richest one percent control the majority of the wealth in this country but pay nowhere near their share in taxes. Guess who pays for the difference?

I'll give you an even better example. Orange County, California, is one of the richest areas of the nation. in 1994, a bunch of the really rich people living there got together and decided it would be a good idea to take a bunch of the taxpayer's money and invest it in "high-risk derivitives". They lost it all, and the county announced it had gone bankrupt. The richest county in the country went bankrupt. Of course the people living there still had a whole bunch of money, but the county itself was broke. Now instead of the wealthy elite of Orange County simply paying for their own fuckup out of their own pockets, they decided to ask the federal government to bail them out, and they did. But hey, why should the rich clean up their own mess when they can get the rest of the country to do it?

Who do you think paid for that?

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), November 02, 2004.


BLAH BLAH BLAH and more BLAH. You sound like a broken record. I dont know you, I know nothing about you, but from your writing alone, I can state the following and stand a chance of being 90-100% correct.

You are under 21 years of age. You do not make more than $25,000 a year (if you are employed, which I dont think you are). You were raised in a home with only one parent. You have bot graduated from college. You do not own real estate. You have never travelled outside of North America (and not even to Mexico or Canada).

PLEASE make sure you let me know how I did, willya?

There are a few more I could guess at, but Id be less sure about them. Yours is the perspective of an immature pre-adult. You make sweeping statements about "big business" and "Free Speech", yet have not travelled enough places to understand what Free Speech is elsewhere in the world. Then, to my amusement, you squirt a little testosterone into the mix and "call me out" to fight you? BWAHAHAHA!

You and I have run into each other before. On venues which no longer exist because we shut them down. Whine, rant, shake your fist, whatever floats your boat. You can do NOTHING about our actions. None of your marginal "anarchist collectives", or coordinated "die- ins" or "blac bloc" bullshit will be tolerated. Indeed, the mere MENTION of such actions may prompt.....unpleasantness. Well look at it this way:

You get to use your stupid fucking name for four more years!

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 02, 2004.


KobeSBM,

Good points. I would be considered in the Middle Class. I make about 120K/year, drive a Mercedes, and work as a Systems Administrator for an aerospace company. I dont think that makes me qualify for the "powers that be" group. It does, however, make me quite aware of the disparate level of taxation I have to bear, and property taxes are ridiculous. Why is this so? Because the Left somehow feels that support for pork barrel assistance programs (whose money is invariably diverted to other sources) needs to come out of MY POCKET. Every time I see a welfare recipient shopping in the market with a Food Stamp card (while they buy liquor with the cash), my blood boils. Every time I see a healthy, able-bodied male (of any race) standing on a corner begging for MY money, my blood boils.

You know, 10 years ago I probably would have agreed with you 100%. Now however, I ask myself "what costs more?", the welfare we give to the poor or the corporate welfare given to insider companies like Halliburton? If the books were really opened, where is the majority of our money being wasted? That's a question I don't really have an answer to, but now that I have my own business, I've seen how everything under the sun can be written off, and somehow you can still legally show a loss (and therefore not pay taxes) but still make a profit. Can't say I understand everything, but for unethical people the current system is overripe for abuse by the rich. The poor have no option but to take what they are given, as it has always been.

I also used to get bothered by beggars, but now I keep a couple of bucks in my pocket and give to all who ask. Why not? It doesn't hurt me, and for all I know they might be *really* hungry that day, and not just looking for booze money. "There but for the grace of God go I".

I think about the illegal aliens boiling in over our borders and then being given the innocuous label "undocumented immigrant" when they are actually ILLEGAL INVADING CRIMINALS.

Again, I understand your point, but try and put yourself in their shoes. If YOU lived in Mexico and had a couple of kids, lost your job and couldn't find another, wouldn't YOU consider crossing the border to WORK (not sit on welfare) in some job no American wanted to feed your kids? I know I would. Most illegals I've met (when I was a kid I worked for a construction company, and often had to hire and supervise them) were decent enough people, and worked for their livings. If they didn't, they got nothing. That's not asking much out of life or America.

Capitalism=Profit driven.

I'm all for capitalism -- to a point. Did you ever read "the Jungle"? I wouldn't want 8 year olds working in factories like the Capitalists did, it was the left-wingers who helped reign in the abuses of the elite over the workers. Americans fought and died for what we now consider are just "rights", but they aren't. If we don't keep fighting for them, they will be lost.

Joe was comparing your tactics of shutting down sites you dissagree with to Stalin's tactics of using his superior power to silence dissent. The comparison is right on.

Thanks Anti, that was my point.

Oh, and by the way, I encourage everyone to hack the RNC website.

I strongly disagree with this though. Why encourage people to commit crime? That's like people encouraging Rebublicans to run over anarchists. Making America a crime-ridden Hell-hole is only going to make the population approve of a police state to solve their crime problem. What you are encouraging is going to have the opposite effect of your intent.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 02, 2004.


there would be more healthy debate and less "die ins" and red ink stained fur coats.

One more thing. Not much frosts me as much as the idiots who take it upon themselves to destroy a couple grand worth of someone's personal property for their own selfish reasons. Destroying someone's fur coat, car, or whatever else is a CRIME, not a political statement. If you can convince someone you are right, great. If the only way you think you can convince someone is by destroying something they've worked for, you are a loser.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 02, 2004.


http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

a good link everyone mainly anti-bush should watch it.

-- FascistCarter (Fascist Carter@mail.ru), November 02, 2004.


Ahhh, yes. I missed this from Anti-Bush: "I'm only 16".

Now it all comes together. I cant expect a minor of age 16 to know anything about paying property and income taxes, much less discuss politics with someone who cant even vote yet. I will ignore the childish challenges he made, since I am old enough to be his father. By the way, I am not "wrinkled and middle-aged". Well at least not wrinkled!

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 02, 2004.


His age means nothing, SBM. I agree with 95 percent of what Anti goes on about most of the time, and I DO pay taxes, bills, work, etc. Hes a lot smarter than most 'middle agers' I know. Maybe not wiser... but smarter.

Thats the big leg up that the youth of today have, they're more informed than people older than them because of their grip on technology. Sure, a lot of them are just mindless machines that are only 'informed' on something because their friends are and said it was cool, but they are still more informed.

Your view is a most twisted self righteous one, SBM. You hate 'commie pinkos' and 'anarchists'. Well, even though my vote went for the green party when it came down to it, I do harbour a love for an ideal that could never work, once again why I wear, quite openly, a hammer and sickle around my neck.

A while ago, I started a rebellion group in my high school, called SAKU. Oddly enough, within three weeks of posting my ideals online, I had American teenagers talking to me about how they could get involved, how they could get posters, what coul they do. So, I sent them everything I knew.

What frightens you, is the fact that the outspoken hatred of the current American government is on the rise, and has been for about the past fifty years. This is a combination of both more freedoms being given (now people CAN speak out) and some very poorly looked upon actions. But either way, since about three years now, I have been helping fuel the fires of the teenagers of your country.

KillerCrud, System Overflow, White Viper and Black Kobra are ALL me, all my aliases, some of them better known for things than others. While in my later years, Ive calmed things down, Ive never abanoned this board from the beginning due to the fact that I beleive everyone needs a place where they can openly speak out about their beleifs. People, facists who dont see things my way, have tried and tried again to have us shut down. Everything from kiddie porn, to scripts, to hack attacks on the password screen have been attempted, to no luck. The reason why there has never been any luck, is because:

a) This board is strongly supported by a strong group of people, such as Joe and Anti.
b) Its a group mod effort, which means a whole bunch of people have the power to play janitor and mop stuff.
c) By now, after running rampant for 5 years on LUSENET, I've gotten the hang of exactly what can and cant be done, and how to defeat it.
d) And hey, even if something comes along that really baffles me (which Ill admit, happened once before, before I worked for RR), usually someone has the answer and passes it along.

In case you havent noticed, IndyMedia is still around, still posting their commie pinko stuff. Devoy still maintains and runs his own commie pinko anarchist server and website, which is still up and running, still has all its negative comments towards the government, and he obviously has the money somehow to continue paying for it, which means he obviously has a job.

And most Muslims that are still out there are still riding high, and still live comfortably in the US.

-- KC Overflowing Kobra (kc@hottymale.com), November 02, 2004.

What frightens you, is the fact that the outspoken hatred of the current American government is on the rise, and has been for about the past fifty years. This is a combination of both more freedoms being given (now people CAN speak out) and some very poorly looked upon actions.

Could you define this hatred for American government a little bit better? Who is hating us, the people of some countries, the government, people in a CBS poll for Kerry, who? When I look around the people who complain the most about America are people who are being squeezed by our successes, or people who profit off our failures. OTOH, when you look at the citizens of those same countries, they generally vote FOR an American-style system for themselves, if given a chance. If they really hated us, they wouldn't do that, would they?

Another reason people dislike us is they get to see our dirty laundry and believe it's all of us -- if there's a scandal, it gets made public. But from my perspective, that's a STRENGTH, not a weakness, and if the French don't like it, tough escargot.

Bazooka Joe

P.s. I can't say I've heard anyone complain much about Canada, but then I can't think of much Canada's gone and stuck their neck out on either, so I don't know if the lack of people disliking you is good or just a sign you guys aren't that involved in the world.

-- 2 (1@3.4), November 02, 2004.


I am not frightened of anything at all. Im former military as well. I know that we (Americans)have the means to permanently squelch any "annoyance" both foreign or domestic, and I take great comfort in that. I am part of the invisible machine that is the technology industry. That is what I have in common with today's generation. I disagree with you regarding being informed about stuff. Most kids Anti's age are into rap "music", PlayStation, skateboards, "cool laptops" and specialized computers called "gamers". From my perspective, they are nothing more than end users, consumers, and market potential. They cant even vote.

TO ANTI:

"In case you havent noticed, IndyMedia is still around, still posting their commie pinko stuff. Devoy still maintains and runs his own commie pinko anarchist server and website, which is still up and running, still has all its negative comments towards the government, and he obviously has the money somehow to continue paying for it, which means he obviously has a job."

Indymedia has been thoroughly infiltrated. Besides the recent server seizures of IMC servers (yes, we had something to do with that too), KOBE has 8 IMC centers on the approved IMC site roster. The IMC Process never knew what hit them. Protest Warriors has at least 3 centers under their control as well. I dont have to rely on assumption when it comes to DeVoy. Even he has confirmed the fact that we have had/still have him under REAL surveillance (like in REAL LIFE), and we know exactly what he is doing and whether or not he is working. After all, we got him fired from his last programming job at CyCorp. He will no longer be able to get work as a programmer anywhere in the United States of America. We have made sure he cannot obtain a government security clearance, and he is on the National No Fly list....thanks to KOBE.

"And most Muslims that are still out there are still riding high, and still live comfortably in the US."

Ridiculous statement. Muslims are regularly profiled in every strata of American life. They are watched where they worship, their social patterns are analyzed, their associates investigated. SOME muslims are "riding high", but only financially. In social situations, they are shunned. If they are foreign, they are denied entry to the country. We have made progress, and they (our enemies)have lost ground

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 02, 2004.


Why do you take pride in that, you fucking fascist??? You are turning this nation into a racist police state. This is not something to brag about. Enjoy your four more fucking years. In 2008 I'm voting for Howard Dean, and if there is a draft, I'm moving to Canada. Until then, I'll be at every goddamn protest, every demonstration, every riot, every event, fighting for freedom while you fight for your twisted idea of patriotism that anyone with half a brain can instantly recognize as Stalinism. Fuck you. Fuck you with a big, spikey dildo. I hope you're proud of yourself.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), November 03, 2004.

"In 2008 I'm voting for Howard Dean, and if there is a draft, I'm moving to Canada. Until then, I'll be at every goddamn protest, every demonstration, every riot, every event, fighting for freedom while you fight for your twisted idea of patriotism that anyone with half a brain can instantly recognize as Stalinism. Fuck you. Fuck you with a big, spikey dildo. I hope you're proud of yourself."

FUCK YOU, you ungrateful summabitch! What the fuck happened to you anyway....you didnt have a daddy at home, DID YOU. If there was a war, you would move to Canada? Why not pack your worthless shit and move out NOW. I dont have to fight for my patriotism. I always have it with me, as do all of the other Americans who boldly cast their vote for Bush. It figures you are such a spineless pussy, since your absent father never showed you what being a man is about. TRAITOR!

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 03, 2004.


Joe, the people who hate America are the youth of today, and well, Europe. But fuck Europe for a moment, because I've been seriously wondering for a while when it became pop culture amongst teens and young adults to 'fuck the government'.

I mean, even with Regan and the Anarchist movement (hah!) of the 80's, it wasn't even this bad. Look around at all the disenfranchised youths, and tell me why they dont like their own country.

I really would like to know, and where it all came from.

As to the matter of Canada sticking their necks out, tis not true. Pretty much all our military spending goes into the Peacekeepers we send overseas and around the world to hold things together.

THIS is where I get pissed off. As Canadians, we seem to have no problem with lending a hand... but when push comes to shove, we give a hand with only two fingers, and one is made of wood. For example, look at exactly how many Canadian peacekeepers are sent into hostile villages with populations in the thousands. Three? Five? Add to that, our government doesn't seem to have any problem in buying outdated weapondry, shit that doesn't work, or the best thing yet, sending our troops into Afghanistan in army green camo (In case you never heard the story, for months the Canadians were over there wearing GREEN against the TAN sand... because there was a 'mix-up' and new uniforms weren't purchased yet).

My one major gripe about Canada. We care... but the way we do it is far too full of 'Nobody hates Canada' and 'our troops can withstand anything' mythology. Sure, its true, our troops are deadly machines (once again, due to lack of funding, Canadian soldiers have to do EVERYTHING, no specializing), but thats fucking shit all when it comes to facing 10000 hostiles who dont really care that 'oh gee, they're Canadians, not Americans', because they just wanna kill strange foreign whitey.

Nobody invades Canada because it would be a joke war.

1. America Invades Canada
2. Toronto defects to the US, is easily assimilated due to its Quasi-American state anyhow
3. Montreal is nuked. Nobody needs an uppity French City.
4. Every other Canadian goes into hiding, guerilla warfare begins, with Americans fearing the 'trees'
5. America gives up on Canada, because those fucking Canadians know how to hunt and sit in trees all day.
6. Bush, an old man who is no longer president, has his own neuclear arsenal from the last time he was president and nuke Canada, forgetting about Fallout.
7. A new Ice Age begins... everyone freezes... but Canadians aren't too bothered. Well, those that aren't dead.
8. A new age of mutant hockey playing igloo living humans begins in North America. Texas, the last surviving US state, is appalled, and all its peoples flee to Mexico, but are deported back to Texas, due to being illegal immigrants and nobody wanting their radiation soaked asses.

-- KC (kc@hotmail.com), November 03, 2004.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Great post there, KC (are you the same KC as in Cauca...?) If so, why have you decided to leave us? Regardless, I really loved that post!

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 03, 2004.

Naw, I was never part of you guys. The full handle is KillerCrud, I just go by a million different aliases on the net. And that wasn't Anti talking about all that stuff that you replied to, that was me. :)

I'm not meaning to say you guys dont have a point, Ill be the first (cough) 'Liberal' to admit it. Illegal immigrants are a definate problem. They steal jobs from a country they haven't earned their way into yet. I would rather have some job go to some hardworking immigrant who got in legally, than some wage slave alien. Cause it means the slaver is getting paid shit (hes illegal, after all), and hes also stealing a job from someone who deserves it.

I've had a muslim friend since I was little, livin in Toronto, and hes a pretty good guy. I remember him taking out his little carpet every day, doing his prayers, and then we would go play some Nintendo.

When I hear the arguments you guys make about how shitty Muslims are, etc, I think back to him. Think back to how normal, decent and kind he was, and theres no way in hell he could blow anything up.

And then I think of some of the other kids I knew. White kids. The kind who liked to attach firecrackers to small animals. And I think to myself, who is more likely the threat here, Muslims, or these demented white kids?

In fact, one would almost think the Muslims would be better, at least they follow religion. Which would mean moderated TV and shit like that. While average Petey Pecker sits in front of violence by parents who dont really care, and ends up the next Unibomber.

Yeah, I blame domestic (homeland, and NOT Terrorist) violence on the media, and like I said, whats more likely. The white kids are gonna pick up on the TV and be allowed to watch whatever they want, or the kids with religion.

Now, as for the matter of boarder guarding, I also beleive there needs to be some definate changes. Especially for America. Look, as much as you may not want to admit it, one way or another, a lot of the world isn't too pleased with America right now, and it has foreign terrorist enemies out the ass. Well, I dont care what people say, or bitch about, but the Airports and borders NEED FUCKING PROTECTION until everything calms down, especially while this dumbass war on terrorism is being waged. If you dont like jumping when US customs says jump, fucking move to a country that isn't on its toes already, new immigrant.

Like, really, especially Arabs, what do you expect coming to America right now? Everyone hears the stories, everyone knows how airports are coming along, an you still want in? Either wait in line, or go elsewhere.

See, I have no problem with debating points in a reasonable manner... what I don't like is people coming here and trying to lay down rules where they dont have the power. Its one thing for you guys to dedicate yourselves to eradicating things like child pornography, which really is a horrid crime, its another to dedicate yourselves to something that (may) or (may not) be a crime, depending on what flip of the coin is facing up.

As for you, Anti, if I find any of these posts of SBMs deleted because according to you hes being an ignorant asshole or something... the back of my hand... tsk... :P

And oh, Anti, seriously. Want to make a difference in the world? Youre in the age bracket that will be in the 18-21 catagory four years from now. It means all those people who you call friends will NOT be voting, even though they bitch and gripe about everything. Change that. Start people voting, get shit together, get them out there.

-- KayCe (KC) (kayce@hotdude.kc), November 04, 2004.

To Kay:

Totally Correct. It is refreshing to see someone post with intelligence here.

Mostly lurking, but always willing to participate.

-- world (not@of.this), November 04, 2004.


Okay, KC...you won me over. Besides you, there are a couple of intelligent guys here, and you seem open minded and rational. When people present ideas in an intelligent manner (as you always do), they cant help but to earn respect....even from their opponents. Keep up the good work, you (gag) liberal!

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 04, 2004.

"FUCK YOU, you ungrateful summabitch! What the fuck happened to you anyway....you didnt have a daddy at home, DID YOU."

Not sure exactly how you drew that conclusion from me talking about protests and Howard Dean...hate to break it to you, but yes, I do have a daddy. Sorry.

"If there was a war, you would move to Canada?"

IN A FUCKING HEARTBEAT, bitch.

"Why not pack your worthless shit and move out NOW."

Because I'm not a coward. Why skip out before the hand is over? The Republicans think they've won the war, but really it's only just begun.

"I dont have to fight for my patriotism. I always have it with me, as do all of the other Americans who boldly cast their vote for Bush.

I won't dignify that with a response.

"It figures you are such a spineless pussy, since your absent father never showed you what being a man is about."

Yeah, real men sit behind a computer and make empty threats. Then when someone has the audacity to criticise their empty, twisted view of patriotism they simply report them to the authorities. That's how a man gets things done.

"I'm not meaning to say you guys dont have a point, Ill be the first (cough) 'Liberal' to admit it. Illegal immigrants are a definate problem. They steal jobs from a country they haven't earned their way into yet. I would rather have some job go to some hardworking immigrant who got in legally, than some wage slave alien. Cause it means the slaver is getting paid shit (hes illegal, after all), and hes also stealing a job from someone who deserves it."

Ttotaly agree. But American companies don't help by employing illegals at lower wages than Americans...I mean, if the government made them pay illegal immigrants the same wages as everyone else, wouldn't that take away the incentive to hire them, thus making it harder for them to "steal our jobs"?

"As for you, Anti, if I find any of these posts of SBMs deleted because according to you hes being an ignorant asshole or something... the back of my hand... tsk... :P"

Not to worry, KC, I won't touch 'em. Unlike the KOBE's, I beleive in free speech.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), November 04, 2004.


Mr. KOBE,

I consider the moderators of this forum a much bigger threat to personal online freedom then someone who reports odious websites. But in order to delete a forum such as this, you would have to request Mr. Greenspun to do so. Or hack into his master account and do it yourself. It is unlikely any of the forums on this site were deleted by a hacker, rather then someone sending him an email and pointing out there was no moderator and they had run amuck.

I have been scanning through the messages on this forum, and it's no wonder so few people post here requlary. When the dickhead who runs this forum feels he is justified in damaging people's computers that harm his weak ego. Naming himself such things as "Spiderfire" and "System overflow." And saying the biggest downfall of people who he has hacked is posting here. Instead of just niggerbluffing about what you can do, you should give a demonstration instead. Considering what he has bragged about doing to individuals' computers I think many people would say he had it coming. And it would be very hard to prove it was you considering all the people he has probably done it too, anyone of them could be a suspect. In fact you would be looked upon as doing a public service, as somebody protecting random posters from unwarrented attacks from this individual(s), punks!

-- Shane Mcshame (mcshame@yahoo.com), November 10, 2004.


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