60 Hard truths about Liberals.

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60 Hard Truths about "Liberals" For those of you who do not know, especially young people, I am compelled to inform you of the generally un-known truth that the word "Liberal" has a proud heritage and was originally a word that described men who were the political opposites of modern "Liberals."

The word "Liberal" was forcibly stolen and corrupted by evil men who intentionally perverted the use and meaning of the word. In the long forgotten past, the word "Liberal" described honorable and principled men who held to a philosophy of government that advocated Constitutional Republicanism. Constitutional Republicanism is a type of government almost unknown to most of the world. America was originally a Constitutional Republic. A Constitutional Republic defined is characterized by a very small government with limits on its powers of taxation and whose other powers are strictly limited by rigorously enforced Constitutional edicts. But modern Liberals are nothing more and nothing less than Communists, Socialists and Dictators. Modern Liberals promote, advocate and enforce the centralization of all political power into an all powerful central government. The honorable old Liberals of the 19th century must be spinning in their graves over the outrageous corruption and modern use of the word "Liberal." Following are 60 Truisms about Liberals:

At the most basic level, the Liberal is anti-God. He is an intellectually dishonest, unprincipled, mentally immature, spoiled child who is forever in search of a world without moral consequence. That is why the Liberal makes "The State" his god. The Liberal worships THE STATE. The Liberal attempts to use his god (government) to eliminate all moral consequences for immoral behaviour. In the name of "Justice," the Liberal also pretends to make his god (The State) "level" all peoples so that the wise or the beautiful or the genius will have no advantage over the unwise, the ugly and the simpleton in the marketplace. The Liberal calls this tyrannical State of Government, UTOPIA.

The Liberal vainly imagines that freedom from moral consequence can be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state.

Liberals use moralistic platitudes and catchy phrases like "social justice" and "The Brotherhood of Man" to appeal to the naive masses who are duped into believing that the ultimate goals of Liberals are genuinely benign and beneficient. However at the root, like the Prince in Machiavelli's greatest work, the single moral principle that Liberals adhere to is the continual accumulation and centralization of all power.

The ideologies of Liberals must inevitably end in world-wide totalitarianism.

All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the Liberal. Why? Because those kinds of individual freedoms, (such as economic self- reliance) demand moral responsibility.

The fundamental power struggle of Liberals may be classified as the individual versus the collective. The Liberal supports the collective in every contest against the individual. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor of the collective. All power must be centralized.

Liberals hate Individualism because it demands moral responsibility. Liberals support collectivism because they hope to eliminate the need for moral responsibility.

The U.S. Constitution and specifically the support for rugged individualism which is evident in the Bill of Rights, is the enemy of the Liberal.

The Liberal despises the United States because it is the premier protector and promoter of individualism in the world.

In the mind of a Liberal, all institutions and concerns schools, environment, courts, etc. - serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism.

In the depraved thought processes of a Liberal, abortion becomes necessary to guarantee sexual freedom and eliminate moral consequence.

The basis of traditional healthy psychology is to help individuals take personal responsibility for the choices they have made and to help them make better choices in the future. The basis of modern psychology as defined by the Liberals who are members of the self deluded, isolated and ill-educated Professorial Class living in their government financed socialist Ivory Towers, is the elimination of moral responsibility.

In order to advance their agenda, Liberals create an atmosphere of crisis and fear that is used to justify their collectivist oppression. Liberals love to go to war against other nations for it is during times of war that they are most successful in getting the most oppressive legislation passed in Congress. Check your history books and you will see that every major war America has fought in the last 100 years was started by a Liberal or a statist who philosophically supported centralized government

Any religion or religious person who believes or teaches that there are moral consequences for sin, is the enemy of Liberalism and must be oppressed.

Western nations and Western Civilization have produced more liberty and more prosperity for more people than any other culture in History. Christianity is the foundation of the culture upon which Western civilization was built. A genuinely Christian populace will reject collectivism and support individualism. A genuine Christian populace will live moral lives and thus they will support governmental policy that encourages individual, personal, moral responsibility. A genuine Christian populace will reject collectivism and cen- tralized government. A morally debauched populace will look to the government to support them and shelter them from their bad moral choices. Thus for the collectiv- ist Liberal bent on imposing socialism upon a nation, Christianity is the number one enemy above all other enemies. Christianity must be eliminated.

Despite decades of spectacular failure in nation after nation, the Liberal clings to his collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government. It is a religion.

The Liberal seeks to dominate any institution that can interfere with, weaken or destroy individual parental rights. Thus you will note that Liberals completely control and dominate public schools, child abuse agencies, pediatric associations, welfare departments, social service agencies and all NGO's that feign concern for the welfare of children. Why? Because in order for Liberals to impose socialism upon a people, they must undermine the ability of the people to govern themselves according to God's moral law. To accomplish this they must weaken the main support of morality. Strong families are one of the greatest threats to the final goals of Liberalism. The total disintegration of the American family in recent decades among some ethnic communities has occurred as a direct result of the design and intention of Liberals. Feel the hate. Hate is good when directed at these demonic Liberals who are the avowed enemies of God, Family Values and freedom.

The Liberal applauds the imprisoning of home-schooling parents who dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public schools.

Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore is despised by Liberals.

All individual freedoms demand the responsible behaviour of the individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom because they despise morality.

The Liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of who he is.

The Liberal despises national sovereignty. Why? Because the best protection of individual freedoms is found in small decentralized governments.

The Liberal promotes the growth of multi-national and international governments such as the European Union and the United Nations because these organizations advance the cause of socialism and seek to destroy the very individualism that is best protected by sovereign states.

The Liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human activity and thought. Thus the Liberal constantly seeks total control over all forms of media. The Internet is driving Liberals crazy with fear that more people will start thinking for themselves and demand limited decentralized governments in nations around the world.

"Multi-culturalism" is the code word for a single, oppressive, collectivist culture. The root word of "culture," is the word "cult," meaning religion. Christianity is the only religion that finds a perfect balance between allowing mankind maximum liberty within the guidelines of clearly delineated moral absolutes, without the need for an oppressive State. Because a genuine Christian populace will be self governing in the matter of moral issues there is no need for an all-powerful government to police an unruly populace. The Eighth Commandment, "Thou Shalt Not Steal," presupposes the right of individuals to own private property. The Eighth Commandment is therefore the foundation of Western Capitalism and the engine of our prosperity. This is another reason why Liberals hate the Bible. If Liberals are successful at transforming America into a totally multi- cultural, i.e., multi-religious, non- Christian society, we will lose our freedom.

Liberals speak often of tolerance, but they only tolerate Liberals and Liberal ideas. For instance, Liberals hate Christianity and conservative Bible believing Christians are persona non grata in any gathering of Liberals. Liberals are extremely intolerant concerning Christianity because of its insistence upon personal responsibility and moral absolutes. Liberals know that a society without moral absolutes and a society without strong emphasis upon personal responsibility will fall like a ripe apple into their greedy socialist clutches because self reliance and rugged individualism are traits that are only found amongst moral peoples who come from strong families.

The Liberal seeks to criminalize any speech that promotes morality or individualism as "hate speech." Thus we see Liberal Judges and Liberal Courts outlawing the Bible and gutting the free speech provisions of the first amendment of the constitution. Liberal Judges are now declaring that the Bible's proscriptions against homosexuality are illegal "hate speech" and scripture is now in the process of being outlawed from any appearance in public discourse or the public square. If one speaks in favor of individualism and against affirmative action in a public forum at work, Liberal Judges and Liberal Courts are now saying that such speech amounts to intimidation of minorities and is prohibited by law.

Environmentalists lie as a matter of course. Why? Because environmentalists have a false god too. Whereas the god of the Liberal is "The State," the god of the environmental extremist worships is "the creation," rather than the Creator. This warps their thinking and as a result they become anti-human. They fall into all kinds of error such as elevating the rights of animals above those of mankind. Whereas the Christian world- view teaches men that they are to be "Good Stewards" of the earth and all it's creatures. The Christian world-view instructs men that they are to be kind to animals, but that they are not to elevate anything above the value of human life. Why? Because the Bible teaches that mankind is the crown of God's entire Creation. The Bible teaches that "Man was created in the image of God." Thus human life is profoundly sacred and highly valued far above that of any animal or wilderness or wetland (swamp). Thus genuine Christians who hold to a Biblical world-view will know that private property rights trump the claims of the EPA "nature nazi's" to regulate how a farmer may use his private property. Genuine Christians who hold to a Biblical world- view will know that these "Watermelon" Environmental Extremists have no right to tell a man how to use his own private property unless it can be proven that the owner is doing damage to his neighbors property. (PS A "Watermelon Environmentalist" is a person who is GREEN on the outside (i.e., they claim to care about the environment) but they are truthfully COMMUNIST RED on the inside (i.e., they do not really care about the environment. They are just using the moral cause of preserving the environment as a means of consolidating their power and advancing the cause of Socialism and One World Government.)

The Liberal's only method of debate is to appeal to the emotions of mis-educated and illogical persons. Liberals seek to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree with them, especially in the college class- room. Why? Because the facts of logic and history do not support the agenda they are seeking to advance.

When possible, Liberals oppress anyone who questions their beliefs. Is that "Liberal?"

Liberals despise all innocence - especially the innocence of a child. Thus Hollywood Liberals seek to steal the innocence of our children as early as possible and the public schools assist them in this goal.

Liberals seek to sexualize our children, eliminate age of consent laws and promote the normalization of pedophilia, all in the pursuit of sexual freedom.

In the Liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.

Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism, and the enemy of the Liberal.

The Liberal hates you.

The Liberal seeks to replace a moral world-view with an emotional world-view. For instance: If you protest that it is wrong for them to steal your money (via confiscatory taxes, forcibly collected to support welfare programs) against your will and give it to persons that you do not know and do not care about, Liberals will counter your argument with an appeal to the emotions of the listeners. They will drone on about how we are the wealthiest nation in the world and surely we can afford to make sure that THE CHILDREN in the ghettos of America are afforded free dental care.

The Liberal typically chooses a career in a field that produces nothing of value. A Liberal will look for employment in field such as public education, an em- ployee of local, county, state or federal government, an "activist," a lawyer, or a bureaucrat in a tax free foundation or an NGO devoted to advancing Liberal goals, etc. Then the Liberal will use government to extract wealth from others by force via the power to tax.

Liberal do-gooder programs enrich Liberals and do little to actually help the poor.

The Liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power.

Feminists groups are about lesbianism, socialism and hatred of men, not equal rights for women.

Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove your children, and imprison you for what you believe. They are not open-minded and tolerant. They are viciously intolerant of any divergence from the dogma of left-wing ideology. They are perfectly willing to subject you to a Liberal version of an Inquisition and the penalties of this "modern" Inquisition are no less severe than the penalties doled out by the original inquisitors. These modern Inquisitors will use the full powers of the government, the police state powers, without hesitation, in order to enforce the decrees of their priestly class, the justices in black robes. Who are the justice's in black robes? They are the federal judges who have been highly exalted and lifted up, by Liberals, far above all other men as final arbiters of what is right and wrong, thus taking the place of God. And that is the real goal, the ultimate goal of all Liberals. They want to dis-place and dethrone Almighty God. Liberal emulate their father the devil, in as much as they likewise, want to be god. Just as Satan promised Eve in the garden, "Ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil," so is the Liberals lust for power is driven by their desire to determine good and evil for all mankind, apart from and without respect to Almighty God.

Liberals fear technology and change - because neither can be centrally controlled.

Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity. Promoting promiscuity among the masses is the primary mission of the Liberals who control the Hollywood, Television and print media monopoly. Why? Because Liberals know that the twin pillars that support conservatism are family values and faith in God. By promoting promiscuity Liberals know that they are simultaneously attacking both of the main support pillars of rugged individualism. Liberals know that a man of sterling character and discipline who is a moral, God fearing family man has no need of state support in the form of welfare programs. Liberals know that such a man is a dedicated and formidable enemy of those who are determined to foist socialism upon the nations of the world.

Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual prosperity, private property ownership, and the independent family.

Liberals say that they despise marriage and family because they are "patriarchal institutions" that 6op press women and children. But the real reason they despise marriage and family values is because these institutions oppose, disapprove and limit promiscuity thus undermining one of the principal supports for Liberalism.

Liberals are never satisfied with the current level of power they have gained over the lives of individuals. They are compelled, internally driven to control every thought and detail of human activity and they will never stop until they have condemned the entire world to live in a hellish slave camp, under the heel of a socialist bureaucratic boot otherwise known as One World Government.

Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into them, in order to foster promiscuity and instill collectivist ideology into the minds and hearts of our children.

Other diseases kill many millions more people, but Liberals are obsessed with Aids because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity.

Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their politics is also their religion.

Liberals are obsessed with demonstrating their putative "moral superiority." Thus even though they live their lives without really helping anyone, the political activism they engage in is dedicated to convincing themselves that they are truly good people. Liberals are driven by the need to validate the unspoken assertion that "I care more than you do," which is ironic in the extreme since none of the government programs liberals have designed can be shown to have an overall positive influence in our society.

Mark this! Whenever a Liberal expresses concern "for the children," invariably they are using and targeting children to expand their own power, promote promiscuity, advance collectivism and enlarge their personal income at the expense of the taxpayer.

Because collectivist politics is their only morality, Liberals have no problem with deceit, oppression, or violence in their pursuit of collectivism.

Liberals are elitists who exempt themselves from the oppressive rules they impose on the general population.

Liberals howl if a homosexual transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly offended, but they openly bash Christians.

Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940's urban environment. They would have us all ride a bus from a small, dirty, big city apartment to an 8-5 union job as it was in the old USSR. Perhaps now you will understand why Liberals support every form of "public transportation" whether buses or subways.

Liberals believe that wealth is static. Liberals believe that anyone who makes money must be stealing it from someone else. Liberals do not understand that in a free market, wealth is created and is constantly expanding. Liberals do not understand the simple dictum that "A rising tide lifts all boats." Liberals do not understand that the free market lifts the economic conditions of all men. Liberals do not understand that it is the creativity, ingenuity and hard work of the self-made millionaire's who creates better products or a better service and thus a better life for all mankind. A rising tide does indeed, lift all boats.

Liberals claim to be against violence, but make excuses for Liberals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Castro who murder and torture political dissidents. Liberals claim to be against violence, but they seek to disarm individuals and render them powerless before the thugs, thieves and murderer's who rule the inner cities. Liberals claim to be against violence, but they are liars. Liberals only oppose violence when it fits their agenda, but they are perfectly willing to use violence to advance their agenda.

Liberals have enormous compassion for criminal predators, but little for the victims.

In the Liberal world, all problems stem from individualism, and all solutions are collective.

Liberals believe that passing religious values to children is a form of child abuse.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), October 23, 2004.


Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Be patient Zarove. These guys (liberals) won't bother you in Heaven. They will be too busy shopping for asbestos suits.

-- Patience (roiutbc@xx.com), October 24, 2004.

Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Sorry, the IP addresses will prove otherwise.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), October 24, 2004.


Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

...bold..off.

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), October 24, 2004.

Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Seems I've never really run into "liberals" who have all 60 of those attributes. I see people who hold some or many liberal positions, as well as some rather important conservative positions. I've met conservatives who hold many liberal ideals. Many from each side are "self proclaimed."

I know several people who think I'm the biggest liberal they've ever met. One extremely conservative acquaintence (I'll call him L.) I met, when he was my age now (we met was about 20 years ago) He told me recently ---"your just as big an A.H--- as you were 20 years ago." He actually likes me and it wasn't as insulting as it might read. We laughed about it at the time. I disagreed with him, especially about the last point. I think my A.H---ness has decreased over the years and felt I deserved some credit for it.

Recently a youngster I was having a discussion with found me to be a definite conservative. Said he rarely got the opportunity to converse with a "real" conservative. I felt like introducing him to L.

Some hold more of one type of liberal position than the other but I don't think I've ever met anyone who could be absolutely pinned with all.

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), October 24, 2004.



Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Moderates are flaming liberals to the ultraconservative sect, and feckless conservatives to the ultraliberal rabble. If you aren't an extremist, you can't please anybody. :-)

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), October 24, 2004.

Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

1: Im not republican.

2: I kist posted the list for discussion.

3: dispite the claim that Hitler was conservitive and the right wing is facist, the reality is that Hitler was a left winger... a Liberal. He was a socialist, and only rellay right of stalin, but not right woing. Chekc his policies, see whose they match up to < republicans or Dmeocrates? He beelived in Government haivng a hand in the dialy lives of indicicuals, that companues shoudl run on govenrment sanction, and that peopel shoiud be dependant upon and look to the state. all of this is alein to conseritie ideology and part of Liberal thought...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), October 25, 2004.


Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Hitler not right wing? thats the stupidist thing I ever heard.

-- bromis (bromis@bioactive.org), October 26, 2004.

Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

I like to regard myself as a liberal so I thought when I read this post I would be upset or possibly even outraged. But after reading through it I couldnt help laughing, its so silly it must be a joke. whoever wrote this must have been having a whale of a time.

-- bromis (bromis@bioactive.org), October 26, 2004.

Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Hitler a liberal?!?!

that depends upon what you mean by liberal.

Hitler proposed policies that might attract the very disgruntled working classes by promising some type of centralisation and redistribution - recap, the economic disarray in Germany at the time and after the bust in the US. to this end, he also used the word Socialist in his party name because it looked appealing.

on the side, however, he wooed big business by promising capitalism.

when he eventually wrestled control and terminated democracy, its's not entirely clear what he changed. yes, he would interfere in the free market at times, but that also happens in a capitalist system of government.

however, most of all, Hitler was a dictator. i do notsee how a dictator can also be a socialist -- because, whilst the society in question may nominally own or control everthing within its borders, true ownership surely must lie with the dictator at his personal whim.

the essence of Hitler was hatred of the Jews and a belief that the Germans were the master-race. that ought to define him. and by that standard, he is neither socialist, communist, capitalist, liberal or any other type of political animal.

he was just a plain old fashioned, hate-filled, bigoted dictator.

as for that article Zarove, i think it really sucks.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 26, 2004.



Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Bromis- Chekc the facts. You have heard a logn time now that hitle was right wing and the republicans represent hr new Nazi Party... its false.

Chekc his Policies. do right wing adherants support any of the below? Or is it associated with Left wing?

1: Centrilisation of Govnerment. 2: Govenrment invovlment in Buisness. 3: Tax increase. 4: Redistribution of wealth. 5: Loyalty first tot he state, and the state determining laws, morality, ethics, and culture.

The above are not charecteristiclaly applied to the right wing, yet are the core of naziism.

So, even thogh tis the stupidest thung you ever heard, its true. What exalty f Hitlers policies where right wing? What right wing policvies excisted in the nazi Party? Just syaign they whre nazi's and facists and thus right wing isnt good enough, a spoacific example woudl be better.

Ian- Hitler was not classed as Liberal but left wing. His policies, as demonstrated above, relaly are more in line with left wing policies than ruight. True, he wasnt all the way left, liek stakin, and did allow soem freedom in buisness, but it was all reglated by the state.

He was right of stalin, but not right wing.

As fo the article sucking, well I posted it out of bordim and the desire to srimulate conversation.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), October 26, 2004.


Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

yes Zarove, the article sucks imho but you had every right to post it and it did actually start a discussion. well done.

however, on Hitler's policies, look at what he *promised* and *to whom* - and you will see that he needed the poor men's votes and the rich men's money. he promised them in equal measure, though the promises to the rich were guarded secrets. hence he had the appearance of being socialist.

the key is then to look at what he actually did. he in truth did very little. he no longer cared for the poor men. he just needed to feed his own hatred.

Hitler was a fusion of capitalist, communist and liberal and all the rest.... but not because he was committed to any particular way of doing things. he just did what it took to get into power, and then to exterminate a whole race of human beings.

i will post some more as i have some good books on this. i even have Mein Kampf. i bought it in India of all places. curiously, i also noted the use of the swastika in Hindu culture. that astounded me. it confused me.

something to do with the Arians hailing from India i think, thuse undermining Hitler's dream of 7 foot tall blue eyed blong haired super-people.

i will get back to you.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 26, 2004.


Response to 60 Hard truths abotu Liberals.

Hitler was a fascist, Zarove.

The problem is that you follow USA models. They don't apply for the whole world.

Fascists tend to be lead right wing dictatorships once in power.

It started with Mussolini. He made a treaty with the Pope. They always tend to make friends with religious leaders. This was followed by Hitler (1933)Franco (1936), ....Batista,...Peron, ...Pinochet,...just to name a few.

Then there are royalists....who use a known monarch to impose their brand: Japan and Hirohito, Zar Nicholas II,....

There are Marxist Communists: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,....

Socialists: Allende, Dos Santos,....

Christian Socialists (Italy, Sweden...)

Monarchists: Saudi Arabia,... Now about the USA:

Now liberals in the USA meant spenders on social programs: not anymore. Some are greens. Even President Bush is a liberal, the man runs huge deficits.

President Bush is a social conservative (conservative on religion, morals,...).

Kerry is a centrist (like Clinton): Balanced budgets, keep social programs to keep the peace.

Kennedy, Boxer,...They are social liberals: pro-abortion, spend high on social programs,...

Ross was a centrist Perot , but could care less about social programs.

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So using just 2 labels: liberal and conservative doesn't work.

Liberal in most countries means conservative on money issues like trade,..... In Canada, Mexico, that's what it means.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), October 26, 2004.


"Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore is despised by Liberals."

this one had me laughing.

it made me think of a 61st hard **truth**:

"Liberals think we shouldn't destroy the planet by driving everywhere in hugely over-powered 4x4's."

this sort of sums up why i think this viewpoint sucks - and i am also on board with Elpidio for the same reason.

i would have one small point though - Hitler was a Nazi, not a fascist, though the two are connected. Hitler had less ideology that Benito M.

now "Liberal" to me can means a number of things:

economically/ politically liberal - low taxes, small government etc social liberal - pro- abortion, pro- divorce etc

now that makes me a little bit economically liberal, a i believe the state ought to provide free healthcare and education.

it makes me very very socially illiberal.

but even here i have a problem: because i am anti- death, i am anti abortion and anti- death sentence.

capital punishment is a right wing thing. abortion, a left wing.

Elpidio is right - you just gotta look through the names and see what's really there.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com.), October 27, 2004.


I never liked guns and to me there a stmbol of why I cant walk straight... oh wait, their the CAUSE of it...

As for the term Liberal, it relaly depends on what you mean by it. Liberal means differen things in different parts of the world.

In the US, the Liberals are for INCREASED Taxes, Ian, so when you said lower taxes, tht was a joke, right? Unless you are not form the USA,Canada, ect, Liberals are tax maniacs.

My veiws ocnfuse peopel sicne I am not Liberal of conservitive. Im for free healthcare, free education, and free basic nessesities. I am opposed to redistribution of wealth though. I am also opposed to the open morals of most liberals... and the lack of free speech most liberals these dys advocate.

I am also for the Govenrment leavign buisnesses alone as far as profit margins and the liek are concerned, but for restrictiosn on environemntal emissions.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), October 27, 2004.



Don't you fear that a free medical system would eventually implode on itself and become undependable and darn right dangerous, Zarove?

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), October 27, 2004.


Well, more dangerous than it is now...

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), October 27, 2004.


Not overly no...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), October 27, 2004.

your political outlook is pretty close to mine Zarove - as in, i seem to agree with yr views.

i know of no political party anywhere in the world that merits even 60% of my approval.

-- ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 27, 2004.


ok wow, how can anyone take that list seriously is beyond me... i hold many liberal beliefs, but i dont think anyone i have ever met conformed to the sixty truths about liberals, and frankly if a similar list were made about conservatives i dont think it would be any less proposterous. the two are not as opposite as they seem and in the end the stated goal of either is the overally wealfare of the people. the liberal ideology is closer to my own beliefs but for pits sake that hardly makes me a raving lunatic which would be the only description fit for anybody even closely resembling a liberal described in the list... on hitler: his political afeliation is hardly important, stalin was a communist, which hardly means that all communists are evil egomaniacs with a flare for mass murder, just like bush is a conservative, but that does not make all conservatives fanatical or incompetent. that would be a falacy, after all one out of a group cannot represent the group. besides, bush's incompetence on the issues of the environment is not directly linked to the fact that he is a conservative (just remember teddy, who did more for safeguarding the natural beauty of this nation than most presidents) just like the views hitler had on economics can hardly be linked to his ideas about genocide. (i am not defending his policies, merely saying that it really doesnt matter what he was, the only lable that has any realy value is 'monster' and those can come from either side of the political arena) the fact that the article stimulated some positive responses is appaling...

-- nechayeva (gxnech@wm.edu), December 04, 2004.

Just a note on free health care mentioned above. I've been called "liberal" by more than a few in my life time, but oppose government backed/controlled health insurance. The free market can be made to work and Canadians will still want to come here for their medical treatment.

It should be made "manditory" for all to have or purchase coverage after coming off parent coverage. Just like car insurance is manditory for driving. Young healthy people covered and contributing would result in lower more affordable premiums for all. Continued competition among companies will also keep premiums lower and the introduction of better products. Also the law suit business against physicians needs to be curbed as their liability costs also are a factor in the total healthcare crisis.

I just can't see the Government doing an efficient job. We will pay for it either way. Manditory "choice" of coverage on our own, versus a manditory taxed driven government beaurocracy. In this case I'm for "choice."

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), December 04, 2004.


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