This month we became one of Greenspun's most active forums. We cracked our way not only into the top 20, but as you can see half of the forums no longer are active. 1.TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000); 366902 messages, latest on August 30, 2004

2.Catholic; 71714 messages, latest on September 08, 2004

3.TB2K spinoff uncensored; 70012 messages, latest on March 27, 2003

4.Leica Photography; 60288 messages, latest on February 01, 2003

5.Large format photography; 56373 messages, latest on January 17, 2003

6.Unk's Wild Wild West; 47663 messages, latest on February 05, 2003

7.SOHC/4 Technical; 46254 messages, latest on September 08, 2004

8.Grassroots Information Coordination Center (GICC); 28939 messages, latest on November 29, 2002

9.Video CD; 27180 messages, latest on September 07, 2004

10.Country Families; 21521 messages, latest on December 06, 2002

11.Vietnamese American Society; 20297 messages, latest on September 08, 2004

12.Community Anime Reviews; 18433 messages, latest on September 08, 2004

13.The Work of Edgar Allan Poe; 15408 messages, latest on September 07, 2004

14.TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Preparation Forum; 15275 messages, latest on February 08, 2003

15.Unk's Troll-free Private Saloon; 14209 messages, latest on January 26, 2003

16.ER Discussions; 13885 messages, latest on February 08, 2003

17.Junkyard Wars; 13865 messages, latest on September 08, 2004

18.B&W Photo - Film & Processing; 13703 messages, latest on January 15, 2003

19.Ask Jesus; 12988 messages, latest on September 08, 2004

20.Imaging Resource Discussion; 12560 messages, latest on September 07, 2004

The Christian Yahwist

Asked by Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com) on September 08, 2004.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), September 18, 2004

Answers

Interesting. we are number one, go us!!!!

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), September 18, 2004.

We can thank our pioneers David Ortiz cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com (3876) ,

Rodrigo elreyrod@yahoo.com (2545) ,

and Kevin Kevinlwalker572@cs.com (990) "kevinlwalker572@cs.com" (97)

Who have done their best to create an atmosphere of inclusion, even when we usually don't agree on doctrines, issues, and so on. You guys made it possible for the rest of us to find a way to express our faith.

Other top contributors: Elpidio Gonzalez egonval@yahoo.com (877)

Ian ib@vertifgo.com (553)

faith "faith01@myway.com" (490) ;faith01@myway.com (398)

Luke-hubertdorm@yahoo.com (296)

Gail-rothfarms@socket.net (267) ;Rothfarms@socket.net (76

James-elgreco1541@hotmail.com (234)

Zarove ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM (209)

Emily-"jesusfollower7@yahoo.com (194) ;jesusfollower7@yahoo.com (87)

Max-arrowtouch@yahoo.com (167)

James-stinkcat_14@hotmail.com (144)

Jim-furst@flash.net (137)

"ask3332004@yahoo.com" (126)

Andy-"aszmere@earthlink.net" (116)

And to the rest of you who have contributed, even if I did not list you. To the Traditional Catholics like Emerald, Jake,...to Novus Ordo:Paul M. paul H,.. to atheists like Laurent...

And people like Gillian Dickenson,....

Thanks for contributing. I believe is better for us to fight with words than with swords. We are all of God's children.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), September 18, 2004.

David promised me winning prizes of 1) toaster oven, and 2) lunch under the water tower. 1st place winner gets to come back home after the picnic.

..........

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 18, 2004.

I posted in 13) The Work of Edgar Allan Poe; I never got a reply. Maybe If we got all of our deleted posts reinstated we could get first place in our Ask Jesus forum (a joke)?

.................

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 18, 2004.

What a difference a year makes, Rod.

Last year David and Kevin had been banned from the forum in July. So were Christian soldier and others.faith this year. I was asked to refrain from posting damaging stuff. From the Catholic side Emerald, Jake, Regina, Ed R,...

But I believe there is always a purpose God Yahweh has for , despite of the attached baggage we carry from our personal beliefs the result of many years...

I think there is only one other forum in the internet where people from all religious persuasions can discuss stuff.

The Christian Yahwist PS: Rod, the idea of carrying my religious affiliation came from the Catholic because they don't like it when non-Catholics post. I felt offended at first. I remeber Tim the Baptist using the word baptist attached to his name. But now, it has become part of me, like a badge of honor. There are too many Yahwists lately, but only one Christian Yahwist.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), September 18, 2004.

We moved into 18th place today .Maybe into 17th next neewk.

The Catholic is #2 Catholic; 72407 messages, latest on September 25, 2004

But since #2.Catholic; 71714 messages, latest on September 08, 2004 they went up 707 posts.

#17 ER Discussions; 13885 messages, latest on February 08, 2003

#18 Ask Jesus; 13728 messages, latest on September 25, 2004

(Before #19.Ask Jesus; 12988 messages, latest on September 08, 2004 , we went up 740 posts even though we don't have any more threads of scripture posted by David)

#17 B&W Photo - Film & Processing; 13703 messages, latest on January 15, 2003

First message: 2003-07-07 Most recent posting: 2004-09-25 Number of archived messages: 13728 Note that these data do not include messages that were deleted (or marked for expiration) by the forum moderator. Active Contributors cyberpunk1986@hotmail. (3902) elreyrod@yahoo. (2790) kevinlwalker572@cs. (1000) egonval@yahoo. (979) "faith01@myway." (615) ib@vertifgo. (581) faith01@myway.(401) hubertdorm@yahoo.(298) rothfarms@socket. (267) elgreco1541@hotmail.(234) ZAROFF3@JUNO. (229) "jesusfollower7@yahoo.(205) arrowtouch@yahoo. (205) "ask3332004@yahoo." (161) furst@flash.(155) stinkcat_14@hotmail. (149) "aszmere@earthlink." (116) "kevinlwalker572@cs." (97) jesusfollower7@yahoo.(87) Rothfarms@socket.(82)

faith and Rod are making everyone ready to engage again in meaningful discussions.

Assistant Moderator

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), September 25, 2004.

We climbled to #17 this morning.

#16Junkyard Wars; 13933 messages, latest on September 28, 2004

#17Ask Jesus; 13887 messages, latest on September 28, 2004 (+159)

#18ER Discussions; 13885 messages, latest on February 08, 2003

Catholic still number 2 ; 72499 messages, latest on September 28, 2004 (+92)

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), September 28, 2004.

We moved into #15 in Greenspun Saturday, October 2, 2004.

#14 TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Preparation Forum; 15275 messages, latest on February 08, 2003

#15 Ask Jesus; 14303 messages, latest on October 04, 2004

#16 Unk's Troll-free Private Saloon; 14209 messages, latest on January 26, 2003

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), October 04, 2004.

I have decided to drop the thredas David Ortiz had on the chapters of revelation. They are useless since we don't post in them.

I want to replace them with a righteous person section.

Catholics (Roman (Novus Ordo, Traditionalists Pius X, Old Catholics,..), Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, ) have saints.

(Were you able to see how I classify Catholics....)

Protestants have Martyrs.

I want a thread which include people one considers righteous by most people in this world. The person could be a catholic, a Protestant, Yahwists, Jews, Muslims, Bahai's (Mostly people from The Book:they recognize Abraham...).

Hindus, Budhists ,and others will be OK if we agree.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), October 08, 2004.

Moved up to #14.

1.TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000); 366926 messages, latest on October 26, 2004

2.Catholic; 73476 messages, latest on October 26, 2004 ......

12.Country Families; 21521 messages, latest on December 06, 2002

13.The Work of Edgar Allan Poe; 15965 messages, latest on October 26, 2004

14. Ask Jesus; 15575 messages, latest on October 26, 2004

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), October 26, 2004.

The description: "Catholics (Roman (Novus Ordo, Traditionalists Pius X, Old Catholics,..), Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, Syrian,)" Is filled with inaccuracies.

First, "Novus ordo" does not describe any group of Catholics. In fact, it doesn't describe anything. It is not an adjective. It is a manner of celebrating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Period. "Novus Ordo Mass" is redundant, since "Novus Ordo" IS the Mass, as currently approved by the Holy Catholic Church. There are no "Novus Ordo priests" or "Novus Ordo Catholics" or "Novus Ordo Church". "Mass priests" and "Mass Catholics" are meaningless phrases.

Secondly, "Traditionalists", Pius X, and "Old Catholics" are not "Roman Catholics". They are not Catholics at all. They are groups which are in schism from the Catholic Church.

Thirdly, the Orthodox are not Catholics. They are likewise a schismatic body.

Coptic, Armenian and Syriac are legitimate Rites of the Holy Catholic Church, under the headship of the Vicar of Christ, as are Byzantine, Maronite and Chaldean.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), October 26, 2004.

"Traditionalists", Pius X, and "Old Catholics" are not "Roman Catholics".

wrong on the first two unless you disagree with the Pope.

traditionalists can go to licit indult Masses said by, amongst others, priests from orders founded to preserve the Mass of Ages.

SSPX'ers were never excommunicated and are essentially trying to reform (or re- reform) the Church from within. as you know, there are a number of infallible teachings against ecumenism, none for.

just ask someone from a previous generation what they had always been taught about ecumenism. my granny will tell you. maybe you have an eldrly relative who remembers the old ways. that's the living proof.

the SSPX-er's have some good points (and some bad ones). they are expressing them AND still attending Catholic Mass. that is the correct way to participate in the Church.

St Peter and St Paul had their spats. why can't we have differing viewpoints now and then.

i suspect that the Holy Father has a number of things on his mind, including a nagging sense that either ecumenism is wrong or there is no such thing as Papal Infallibility (as the Old Catholic Church believe). he will also remember the Great Schism - and now look at the tatters that the Orthodox Communion finds itself in. pride (as much as anything) stops them coming back. but, without Rome, they are a bunch of semi-autonomous drifters.

the Russians will speak to us - reluctantly - but the Greeks still cannot bear us. both these Churches were founded and demanded independence from existing Orthodox Churches. its all a bit too crazy for me.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 27, 2004.

"traditionalists can go to licit indult Masses said by, amongst others, priests from orders founded to preserve the Mass of Ages."

A: Yes, they can. And many Catholics with "traditionalist" leanings do exactly that, carefully limiting themselves to those activities which are specifically allowed, however reluctantly, by the Holy See. These are Catholic "traditionalists". However, many others cross the line of schism, rejecting the authority of the Pope and the Magisterium, and practicing "Traditionalism" instead of Catholicism, according to their own desires and their own interpretations of Church teaching.

"SSPX'ers were never excommunicated and are essentially trying to reform (or re- reform) the Church from within."

A: Their founder was excommunicated, and his movement declared schismatic. It doesn't matter whether the individual members of a schismatic church have been directly excommunicated. By their acceptance of and participation in a schismatic church, they are schismatics.

"as you know, there are a number of infallible teachings against ecumenism, none for."

A: I don't know any such thing. True ecumenism is the divinely ordained mission of the Church - to "make disciples of all peoples". Without true ecumenism the Church has no mission, and no valid purpose for existence. Of course this doesn't refer to the various forms of false so-called "ecumenism" which we often hear preached. There is no infallible teaching against the Church's fundamental mission of true ecumenism. The will of Christ - "that they all may be ONE" - has not changed since Christ stated it in the presence of the Apostles; and ecumenism is the means by which the Church moves toward the stated will of Christ. In the past there have been some papal interpretations of infallible teaching which have been extremist, exclusivist and uncharitable, and which have been major obstacles to the Church's fulfilling its divine mission. Such interpretations however are not infallible just because the doctrine being interpreted is infallible. Fortunately the Holy Spirit continues to guide the Church into ever fuller understanding of its infallible doctrine over time.

"just ask someone from a previous generation what they had always been taught about ecumenism. my granny will tell you. maybe you have an eldrly relative who remembers the old ways. that's the living proof."

A: That is the living proof that the Church grows in wisdom over time. The overly simplistic, legalistic, coldly condemnatory interpretations of God's Word which my grandparents were subjected to has been brought more into line with the nature of God as He has revealed it. The Holy Spirit guides His Church into all truth.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), October 27, 2004.

Paul

"In the past there have been some papal interpretations of infallible teaching which have been extremist, exclusivist and uncharitable, and which have been major obstacles to the Church's fulfilling its divine mission. Such interpretations however are not infallible just because the doctrine being interpreted is infallible."

this is at the heart of it.

see this:

"It [ie the Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that none of those outside the Church, not only pagans, but neither Jews, or heretics and schismatics, can become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life they have been added to the Church; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those abiding in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practised, even if he has shed his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has abided in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."

not my choice of words, Paul. indeed, you might consider them uncharitable or unkind or whatever.

i might also question the charity.

but they are infallible.

a Catholic MUST accept that the Holy Father speaks without error on matters of faith and morals in these circumstances.

they do not suit my personal desires, trust me, but i MUST accept them. so MUST all Catholics.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), October 27, 2004.

We moved into 13th place.

1.TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000); 366939 messages, latest on November 09, 2004

2.Catholic; 74016 messages, latest on November 09, 2004 [2,302 since 9/8/04] ....

11.Community Anime Reviews; 23121 messages, latest on November 09, 2004

12.Country Families; 21521 messages, latest on December 06, 2002

13.Ask Jesus; 16195 messages, latest on November 09, 2004 [3,207 messages since 9/8/04]

14.The Work of Edgar Allan Poe; 16180 messages, latest on November 09, 2004

Assistant Moderator

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 09, 2004.

We moved into 12th place today.

1.TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000); 367007 messages, latest on February 02, 2005 2.Catholic; 79797 messages, latest on February 04, 2005 3.TB2K spinoff uncensored; 70012 messages, latest on March 27, 2003 4.Leica Photography; 60288 messages, latest on February 01, 2003 5.Large format photography; 56373 messages, latest on January 17, 2003 6.SOHC/4 Technical; 51108 messages, latest on February 04, 2005 7.Unk's Wild Wild West; 47663 messages, latest on February 05, 2003 8.Vietnamese American Society; 33988 messages, latest on February 04, 2005 9.Community Anime Reviews; 32475 messages, latest on February 04, 2005 10.Grassroots Information Coordination Center (GICC); 28939 messages, latest on November 29, 2002 11.Video CD; 27422 messages, latest on February 04, 2005 12.Ask Jesus; 21556 messages, latest on February 04, 2005 13.Country Families; 21521 messages, latest on December 06, 2002 Statistics for the Ask Jesus Forum greenspun.com : LUSENET : Ask Jesus :

First message: 2003-07-07 Most recent posting: 2005-02-04 Number of archived messages: 21556 . Active Contributors(100 or more postings)

David-cyberpunk1986 (3982)

Rod-elreyrod (3944)

faith01@ (1261) (955)=2216

Elpidio-egonval(1384) kevinlwalker572(1167) navyscporetired@(166) =1333 Ian-ib@(1025) Zarove-ZAROFF3 (905) Andy"ask3332004@(623) (116) =739 Gail-rothfarms@ (599) (259) =858 Luke hubertdorm@ (585) PaulCyp@ (328) Jim furst@(308) Max-arrowtouch@(300) James -stinkcat_14@(276) Emily-"jesusfollower7@ (270) James elgreco1541@ (234) TC-Treadmill234@(193) Jake j@ (128) sdqa@sdqa.com (117)

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 04, 2005.

Elpidio,

I've been visiting the Greenspun forums since late 1998, first at the Timebomb2000 forum, and then in the Catholic forum.

After the Timebomb2000 forum was shut down 5 years ago, the only regularly active forum has been the Catholic forum. There were a few Timebomb spin offs after 2000, like Unk's Wild West, but they didn't last long.

This forum software is basically dated - it's a dinosaur in terms of functionality. That's why most of the other forums are so dead, hardly anyone ever visits. Strangely enough, the Catholic forum gets a lot of traffic directed to it by Goggle, who's search formula has prioritized that forum at te top of their engine results due to it's longevity, so they get lots of people dropping in on them every day.

So apart from them, I'd expect this forum to continue to inch it's way up the ratings ladder as long as you can keep the dozen people who are here to post often :-)

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 04, 2005.

What ever the reason, I'm glad its still working because I'm honored to be posting with so many thoughtful and insightful people.

Hats off to Greenspun!

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), February 05, 2005.

"And many Catholics with "traditionalist" leanings do exactly that...

This post has been moved.

-- Emerald (em@cox.nett), February 05, 2005.

Ian,

This post has been moved.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 05, 2005.

Frank This post has been moved.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), February 05, 2005.

LOL!

elpidio,you forgot sdqa! :(

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 05, 2005.

sorry Elpidio. taking this thread off track.

This post has been moved.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), February 05, 2005.

No he didnt...

Elpidio-egonval(1384) kevinlwalker572(1167) navyscporetired@(166) =1333 Ian-ib@(1025) Zarove-ZAROFF3 (905) Andy"ask3332004@(623) (116) =739 Gail-rothfarms@ (599) (259) =858 Luke hubertdorm@ (585) PaulCyp@ (328) Jim furst@(308) Max-arrowtouch@(300) James -stinkcat_14@(276) Emily-"jesusfollower7@ (270) James elgreco1541@ (234) TC-Treadmill234@ (193) Jake j@ (128) sdqa@sdqa.com (117)

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 05, 2005.

oh ok sorry then :D

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 05, 2005.

David O, I entered Greenspunin 1999. I visited the Catholic and later Ask Jesus. Ask Jesus sounded weird to me. I did not visit again.

I posted in the Catholic in 2001. I came to being banned 4 times.

Eugene Chavez was my ticket in. He , by his continous attacks made me realize what I truly was. I wasn't a Catholic anymore. I can thank Eugene for that. In a long deleted thread called Monopoly on the truth where I even got acquainted with Emerald I discussed my dream of July 23, 2000. Eugene Chavez called a prophet of the internet. I told Eugene he would make it past 5 more years when he told me something about his age.He was turning 65 then. This was in November 2002.

I suggested Paul M. to be the moderator for the Catholic Forum. I met him in a thread about purgatory.

You and I have endured John Gecik's attacks for the longest. But I am the only one that actually took him to the foremost of his understanding about scripture, history, the Bible, and salvation. He quit on me.I began to receive e-mails with viruses after that.

Rod had a dream in June 2003 about a burning building. He saw David Ortiz and Kevin paying a price. They were Banned. David opened up Ask Jesus under new managenemt in Jyuly 2003. I joined in October 2003.By that time Ed was assisting Paul M. I stopped posting until Bill got me in with his attacks against Democrats and teachers. He held the forum hostage for 6 months with his posts.One out of every three was his.They were mostlya gainst abortion. Ed gave me a hint about leaving for good this time. Then Ed got in rouble with David at excite about the war in Iraq. Ed is Canadian. With the departure of Ed things changed.

By allowing all types of Christian and nonchristians beliefs here, I have made Ask jesus on a par with catholic.8000+ since Ortiz left me in charge. Many people that did not post there have been allowed to post again.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 05, 2005.

Other people posting here with 20-100 mesages.

Emerald 99,Frank 72, Laurent 71, PUNKER 27, Pastor Fretz 20, Pat 20, *Gillian 62, Gwen 30, John Miskell 45, Joseph(Bobcohen) 25,*Vincent 53, Joe Stong 20, Michael G 22.

* Not active

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 10, 2005.

We are close to 10,000 entries since David Ortiz left. See how we compare with the other 4 forums which are still very active her.

2.Catholic; 71714 messages, latest on September 08, 2004 2..Catholic; 83026 messages, latest on February 28, 2005 Total 12,308. SOHC/4 Technical; 52484 messages, latest on February 28, 2005 7.SOHC/4 Technical; 46254 messages, latest on September 08, 2004 Total: 6,230.

Vietnamese American Society; 35976 messages, latest on February 28, 2005 11.Vietnamese American Society; 20297 messages, latest on September 08, 2004 Total:15,679.

Community Anime Reviews; 35069 messages, latest on February 28, 2005 12.Community Anime Reviews; 18433 messages, latest on September 08, 2004 .Total 16,636

#12.Ask Jesus; 22898 messages, latest on February 28, 2005 19.Ask Jesus; 12988 messages, latest on September 08, 2004 Total:9,910

We are the 4th most active. 70% of the forums here are dead. A few still hanging on.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 28, 2005.

We went over 10,000 messages since Sept. 8, 2005 . 3rd most active.

1.TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000); 367020 messages, latest on March 08, 2005 +108 2.Catholic; 84335 messages, latest on March 08, 2005 +12,621 5.SOHC/4 Technical; 52968 messages, latest on March 08, 2005 +6,744 7.Vietnamese American Society; 36417 messages, latest on March 08, 2005 +15,656 8.Community Anime Reviews; 35953 messages, latest on March 08, 2005 + 17,520 11.Video CD; 27479 messages, latest on March 08, 2005 +299 12. Ask Jesus; 23369 messages, latest on March 08, 2005 +10,371.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

This is not a contest, Elpidio!

The quality of our board has gone way down just so you can say we are the third most active?

Gee, I hope your reward will be worth it to you.

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 08, 2005.

I find the stats interesting. I like to know and see no harm. Maybe I'm easily amused---

As far as the quality of the board, its gone through good times and bad. Its probably not really as bad as it has been at other times. I think it reflects the way life goes.

I remember when anti-semites were here, forum "cyber attacks," and then there was "Tom." Now---we have the "Catholic" problem ---(just kidding)

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), March 08, 2005.

Do you have an idea, faith, of how many fundamentalist christian forums close everyday?

The reason you keep coming here over and over is because you love the challenge, faith.

Where else will you find someone like Gail that time after time for over 3 years keeps responding to whatever you have to say?

Even Rod,Zarove,Kevin,....make your life interesting!!!

What bothers you about me is that I act like what you say doesn't faze me at at all,and it is true.

I went from being a fundamentalist myself to one who realizes the Bible suffer from editing. I can live with that because I am able to grasp the true meaning of the Bible messages.

You thought that after david Ortiz left this forum was going to disappear....you were wrong in that respect.

Why? Because Yahweh had already predestined this place for me, faith, in July 23, 2000. Not that I wanted to be here, I was told to stop posting at the Catholic Forum.

Even David did not welcome me with open arms. But I believe he trusts math teachers more than religious people or music teachers.

Jesus told his disciples about a parable about pounds/talents. One must start using that talent/pound to produce more.

You must have faith, Faith, that God YHWH doesn't want people to perish but have eternal life.

Neither you or I know for sure who is truly going to be saved. That is for God Yahweh to decide. Even Atheists who are righteous, for the simple fact that they never worshipped other Gods will be given a shot at salvation.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

Flint and Sulfur make for fires. Fires can light the way and keep one warm. I would prefer to be the flint and Faith the sulfur (for obvious reasons). Flint only sparks and ignites the sulfur. Ha! sulfur.....think about it, Faith.

Elpidio

Should David trust me, in your estimation of your experience?

You don't have to answer that publicly, of course. I'm sure that you know the answer.

My greatest downfall is my trust in people.

......................

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

Maybe the sound of burning sulfur might make faith think this is the beginning of Armagadon, Rod.

For faith the world will end......

(Hint: what do they put people into after you die....?)

I am still surprised that David doesn't trust you yet. It has been almost 2 years now.

You are the reason this forum got to be as big as it is now.

Besides, no one else has more posts than you, not even david Ortiz now.

Faith is a close third. Kevin and I distant 4th and fifth.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

You are too kind with your words, Elpidio. But, I hope that I truly am like a flint that causes those sparks in people to voice their views and beliefs. I look for light, but not in the darkest of places. Hopefully, I might shed some light there. The real forum breathes of a living fire because of the posters. They each bring there light. And, that light comes only from the one true Light--Jesus Christ. Each person has His light.

............

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

Chranel,Rod!!!!

It was also the motto of my ancestors, the Waldenses:

The light shines in the darkness. Look at the candle on top of the Bible.

http://www.chiesavaldese.org/pages/eventi/sinodo1998/liberta_discep.ht ml

Waldensian Church

The christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

Wow! very interesting!

It isn't exactly what I saw, but the concept is very identical and significant.

See the GIF.

.................

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

For some reason your link didn't work; it 404'd.

Maybe this link will work:

http://www.chiesavaldese.org/pages/eventi/sinodo.html

...........

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

Thanks, Rodrigo.

In yours, the Bible was open and light came out of it.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

Also in the same period since september, EZ Board, our child, has received over 5,000 hits, that is, views.

http://p221.ezboard.com/bthechristianforum Christian Forum at EZ Board

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Statistics For The Past 30 Days Page Views ezSupporter Page Views Posts Bandwidth (MB) 3/9/05 36 0 3 1.315 3/8/05 91 11 1 3.141 3/7/05 63 0 8 2.836 3/6/05 16 0 0 0.449 3/5/05 72 0 3 2.431 3/4/05 33 0 4 1.051 3/3/05 54 0 8 1.987 3/2/05 81 0 3 2.890 3/1/05 44 0 3 1.562 2/28/05 79 4 5 2.937 2/27/05 11 0 0 0.287 2/26/05 98 0 12 3.815 2/25/05 164 0 40 5.652 2/24/05 91 0 5 3.461 2/23/05 149 2 26 5.403 2/22/05 44 0 11 1.591 2/21/05 25 0 0 0.762 2/20/05 47 0 2 1.301 2/19/05 88 0 7 3.126 2/18/05 42 0 1 1.450 2/17/05 86 0 4 3.457 2/16/05 59 0 6 1.956 2/15/05 128 1 8 4.576 2/14/05 21 0 2 0.883 2/13/05 40 0 8 1.355 2/12/05 3 0 0 0.074 2/11/05 0 0 0 0.000 2/10/05 4 0 0 0.108 2/9/05 28 0 2 1.135 2/8/05 61 0 19 3.006 Daily Averages: 59 1 6 2.133

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 09, 2005.

I like the stats. But I am surprised rod has posted more than me...even though I've been away for 5-6 months.. I'll just have to "fix" that ;)

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), March 10, 2005.

With my HTML work, rod won't even know what happened ;)

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), March 10, 2005.

Actually, I've been trying to stay away from the forum. But, there is just something about conversing with Faith that it is difficult to stay away. I once had a fungus that behaved the same way. Oh, I'm not saying that Faith is a fungus or anything like that. But, now that I think of it, the fungus was much easier to deal with. I don't even have any scars or side-effects.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.

So rod,

What kind of effect am I having on you anyway? Scars and side- effects??

Or maybe I bug you because the truth hurts?

All I ever do is post Scripture for the most part--and you are mad....sheesh!!

There have even been people on these forums (Catholic in particular) who have taken the very Scripture I have posted, they've reposted it-- and then argued with it!! I mean--Lol!!

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 10, 2005.

Faith

You attach and equate yourself so firmly with Scriptures and then make your wild assertions. I always run you through the filters. It isn't the Truth or Scriptures that hurt. That never bugs me to the point of losing faith. What does bug me is the error in peoples perceptions and interpretations of those Truths and Scriptures. I won't mention the poster's (Your) style of engage with others. Oh, what the heck, I will mention it. You remind me of those jellyfish that come to the beach edge. If one is not careful, they will get a nasty sting that will potentially leave a scar or some other side- effects. It makes one not enjoy going to the beach or cause them to wear heavy boots instead of going barefooted. You do wear "flip- flops" though, so you don't have to worry much, I suppose.

But, we all love you for your convictions. We just don't exactly agree sometimes.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.

"engaging"

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.

Do you like my figurative language there, Faith?

Boots=overly cautious.

barefooted=honest, no agendas.

flip-flops=can't own-up to their errors or original assertions.

Of course, you would have a different take:

Boots=oppressive behavior.

barefooted=lack of credible information.

flip-flops=sandals.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.

What helped our number since November 20004 was the return of faith, that kept Rod, Gail, and Kevin busy.

Then we had TC keeping the Catholics busy. This was followed by sdqa keeping the noreligious and religious busy. Lately we have Mong the Merciless from the catholic side and Temple from the Yahwist side keeping the conversations going. Even Laurent now has joined the the party.

Thanks to all of you.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.

Mong the Merciless! .....Ming the Merciless..if you dont mind...earthling

-- Ming the Merciless (dot4@hotmail.co.uk), March 10, 2005.

Doesn't Ming come from a comic strip, the archenemy of Mandrake?

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.

Sorry dont know about comics. Heres something though:

Flash battles a fiendish plot staged by Queen Azura of Mars, stealing the Earth's nitrogen to aid in the ongoing war against the Clay People. Flash soon discovers that Azura is in line with his mortal enemy, Ming the Merciless, who secretly is plotting to overthrow her and take over Mars himself. As usual, the hapless Professor Zarkov (Zarove?) gets in predicaments from which Flash must rescue him, and Dale Arden is by Flash's side through all of it. Loaded with fisticuffs, sputtering, wobbly rocket ships, lasers, and, of course, the remarkable Clay People (Martians turned into animated mud), this is fast-paced sci-fi entertainment that was state of the art for 1938. The ENERGY and RAW ENTHUSIASM of these serials are what make them so fun to watch, not to mention providing a downright quaint time-capsule look at what Depression-era audiences thought of as the future.

That is, I think, as much I ever want to know about Ming & Co.

regards

-- Ming the Merciless (dot4@hotmail.co.uk), March 11, 2005.

That Ming I have seen too fighting Gordon. I think I saw the movie too.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 11, 2005.

The only episode I can remember was one with the clay people in it, I didnt know there was a movie.

-- Ming (dot4@hotmail.co.uk), March 11, 2005.

Zarkov, not Zarove. Zarove is an englishman, and everyone knwos englishmen only travel in time and space in Police Bixes that are larger on the inside than out if they ave odd names...

(Now lets see the Yanks try to figure out what I am talkign about...)

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 11, 2005.

They'll never guess who.

-- Ming the Merciless (dot4@hotmail.co.uk), March 11, 2005.

Dr. Who

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 11, 2005.

I'm guessing that it has something to do with The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Zarove mentioned that once before.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 11, 2005.

Got it right on the first. and I dont reclal mentioning Hitchhikers guide.However my brother got it as a cristmas gift two yars back...

Well, Im off to my T.A.R.D.I.S. now. Night all

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 11, 2005.

They tell me that there are two things about the first signs of getting old. One is that short term memory begins to vanish. I can't remember the other thing.

I saw a couple of episodes on Public T.V. when I was a kid. That's why I can remember Dr. Who.

Uh....yes, we had television back then.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 12, 2005.