Excommunicated Catholic John Kerry says "He will be no puppet of the popes"!

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No puppet of Pope, Kerry says

By DEREK ROSE DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER John Kerry says he is a proud, churchgoing Catholic, but the former altar boy insists he won't be bossed around by the Pope. "As John Kennedy said very clearly, I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic President," Kerry, whose pro-choice stance violates church teaching against abortion, told Time magazine.

"We have a separation of church and state in this country," said the Massachusetts Democrat, who would be the nation's second Catholic commander in chief if elected. "I don't tell church officials what to do, and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life."

But the Vatican has tried to do just that, saying last year that Catholic politicians have a moral duty to oppose abortion, euthanasia and same-sex marriage, among other things.

"People in Rome are becoming more and more aware that there's a problem with John Kerry, and a potential scandal with his apparent profession of his Catholic faith and some of his stances, particularly abortion," a Vatican official, who is American, told Time.

Kerry, who complains when campaign aides don't schedule time for Mass, takes Communion and describes himself as a practicing Catholic.

Even so, Kerry is staunchly pro-choice, and last week was one of 38 senators to vote against a bill that was passed to criminalize harming a fetus during a violent federal crime.

Kerry's archbishop, Boston's Sean O'Malley, told an anti-abortion Web site in January that pro-choice Catholic politicians "shouldn't dare come to Communion."

St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke said last month he would refuse to give Kerry Communion if he went to his church.

Kerry was in St. Louis yesterday but sidestepped the issue by praying and speaking at a Baptist church, New Northside Missionary. He cited Scripture and an African proverb, "When you pray, move your feet."

"The Scriptures say, 'What does it profit my brother if someone says he has faith but does not have works?'" Kerry told the congregation. "When we look at what is happening in America today, where are the works of compassion?"

Kerry's comments were a clear swipe at President Bush's claim to be a "compassionate conservative."

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Kerry's comment "was beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse and a sad exploitation of Scripture for a political attack."

With News Wire Services

Originally published on March 29

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-- - (David@excite.com), August 21, 2004

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-- - (.@......), August 21, 2004.

Kerry, also a[self-proclaimed] Catholic, is not just passively pro- choice; he is a champion of the cause. At the 2003 NARAL Pro-Choice America Dinner, where he described pro-lifers as "the forces of intolerance," Kerry boasted that his maiden speech as a freshman senator had been in support of Roe v. Wade. On the floor of the U.S. Senate on August 2, 1994, he staked a frightening position: "The right thing to do is to treat abortions as exactly what they are -- a medical procedure that any doctor is free to provide and any pregnant woman free to obtain. Consequently, abortions should not have to be performed in tightly guarded clinics on the edge of town; they should be performed and obtained in the same locations as any other medical procedure.... [A]bortions need to be moved out of the fringes of medicine and into the mainstream of medical practice."

-- - (David@excite.com), August 25, 2004.

has john kerry been excommunicated?

-- janeiro (janeiro_a@rocketmail.com), August 26, 2004.

"Canon Law 1398 Catholics who have obtained an abortion, or performed an abortion, have excommunicated themselves latae sententiae (automatically by their very action) from the Catholic Church. They remain outside the church until the reception of the sacrament of Penance through a good confession.

"Canon Law 1329 Catholics who are accomplices in enabling and permitting the crime of abortion to occur, who without their assistance the crime would not have been committed, incur the same penalty.

So to answer your question. Presidential pro-abortion candidate John Kerry is an automatically excommunicated Catholic. Unless he repents he is going straight to hell.

God bless you

-- - (David@excite.com), August 26, 2004.


The Abortion-sex-contraceptive-education industry is an interlocking- directorate intimidating challengers. A "culture of death" prevails where abortions are rampant and partial birth abortion is, now, re- acceptable. Elderly, handicapped and vulnerable persons are being euthanized, killed, and sometimes murdered in a disguise of "death with dignity" (see Dt. 30:19 ). Catholic politicians supporting, publicly, legalized abortion and "same-sex marriage" are receiving Holy Communion, and-- further absurdity--people who question this are labeled "politicizing-intolerants" (see I Cor 11:28-29). Scientists are harvesting body parts of babies, thru stem cell research, and then disposing the body parts as if they were trash. More people are driving truck-like vehicles as never before. These "truculent transporters" do not seem practical in our oil- weary days. And then: people complain about gas prices and, further, have the gall to accuse President Bush for going to war over oil!

-- - (David@excite.com), August 26, 2004.


David, if you have more than 2 children, and/or a tall spouse, you pretty much have to get an SUV-type vehicle, or a van. Carseats take up a LOT of room.

I have sat in the back seat with two little ones in carseats (letting an older person have my front passenger seat), and even though I am of average height, it is not comfortable for any distance, and this is in the smallest SUV my DH could fit in without turning his head sideways, a Honda Passport.

But what is the alternative? driving two cars at 40mpg each? I do agree that people who have no passengers (kids or elderly parents) to drive around do not need larger vehicles.

But to get back to Kerry, I wish he'd leave religion out of it altogether, it just makes him look worse and worse.

-- GT (nospam@nospam.com), August 26, 2004.


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