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http://www.peteweb.com/proschat/I found these accusations while reading through old threads on the Catholic forum.
If you click the link above, you can actually see if you can prove them. I would love to see how you refute him with your Church quotes and expose Dr. White for the liar he is.
Keep in mind, IF you go in their with the attitude from the Catholic forum you will get banned from the chat. And it might not be a good idea to go in calling them "Anti-Catholics". Ad-hom is not tolerated there either.
Tell Dr. White (Who is known and DrOakley, DrO, DrO*, etc on the chat) how he is misrepresenting Roman Catholicism. Expose him. And if you meet Pastor David King (who is known as "skyman`" on the chat) expose him too. And tell me when you go in there so I can copy the transcript and we can post them all over this forum so the whole world can see what a liar Dr. James White is.
I'll ask them to hold off on banning you (Which will most likely occur when you give the usual anti-protestant rhetoric) and just give you atleast 5 minutes so you can expose them.
On this thread, you said the following things:
...I agree, John, he does lose all of debates. I have listened to many of them, but he is good to listen to, in order to sharpen your own skills.
He is very artful at honing in on one small and perhaps insignificant element of a debate, and then hammering away, but then he dodges the greater evidences opposing his view, sometimes completely ignoring them, and then declares himself the winner! He "strains out the gnat, but swallows the camel."Actually, in a round-about way, he helped me be even be more certain of my way into the Church. Perhaps he did the same for his sister.
Lots of Love,
Gail
P.S. Glad you're back, John!
-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), March 24, 2003.
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John and Paul, Right on, guys! John, your perceptions of Mr. White's personal hatred for the Catholic church is right on target.
I heard his debate on the Primacy of Peter and he LOST sooo big time! HISTORY is irrefutably against Protestantism.Sorry, Someone, you'll have to go proslyetize somewhere else.
God Bless,
Gail
-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), April 04, 2003.
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Let me see if I can describe Mr. White's technique. Say for instance (just for an analogy) he's being debated on the issue of Peter as the Rock, or the primacy of Peter. Mr. White's opponent could present perhaps 35 to 40 good solid quotes not only from the Bible but early church writings. Mr. White will then find the weakest quote he can find. He will then hammer away at the weakness in that one quote. If the opponent tries to bring him back to look at the rest of the evidence, or the bigger picture, Mr. White can only retreat back to that one weak quote. He does that all the time.
He also argues against things that Catholics don't even believe. Like that Catholics worship Mary, or that Catholics believe only in tradition as authoritation. No matter what his opponent says in trying to correct him, he just keeps on beating away at the air.
He has some very skillfull techniques, I will say that for him. He seems to fancy himself as some sort of boxer in the ring. Fancy foot work and sucker punches is all he can offer, however.
These strategies or techniques are used most often in courtrooms by sharp, skillful attorneys. I worked as a legal secretary for big- time litigation attorneys for a very long time. Perhaps that's why I can see these maneuvers so clearly.
But at any rate, I don't think anyone here is accusing the guy of lying. He is a great debater, and would be quite a lawyer. He loses because the truth is NOT on his side. When I listened to him debate Mitch Pacwa and Tim Staples (just to mention a few) I did so for the sole purpose of finding the truth. I did not listen in order to "see who could win."
God Bless,
Gail
-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), April 06, 2003.
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Joe, Great reply. Your response embellished my own with details I could not remember. Yes, yes, and again I say, Yes to everything you said. I too listened to the Gerry vs. James debate as well as Mitch Pacwa, and came to the same conclusions as yourself. His Protestant version of justification is based solely on the book of Romans. If you get him off that territory, he's lost, and can only insult his way back to "safe ground."
Ahhh, the Church Fathers -- they bury Protestantism!Love,
gail
-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), April 07, 2003.
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I would not accuse Mr. White of outright lies, but I would say however that he is "intellectually" dishonest in that he refuses to acknowledge evidences that are presented to him, and then uses fancy debate techniques to wrench himself out of the vice.
Yes, we can all stand to be more charitable, even to Mr. White. However, his vehemence towards the Church is palpable and is well illustrated throughout his debates with snide sarcasms and insults to his opponents. It is hard not to take that personal.
You are right, though, he does not lose his debates based on his bad behavior or good debate tactics, he loses because he neglects the truth.
God Bless,
Gail
P.S. It would be great fun to post a written debate as a separate thread and respond with evidences. Sharpen our skills too!
-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), April 08, 2003.
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004
Click this link if you dare Gail.http://www.peteweb.com/proschat/
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004.
BTW, I'm known as Cyberpunk there (or Cyber-bbl, Cyber-lurx, Cyber*, etc).
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004.
I'm serious Gail.All you have to do is click the link, and press "Connect Now".
(Before you press Connect Now, you might want to change your nick on the "Nick Name" box which will be set to "WebUser" if you don't change it).
In a matter of a few minutes, you'll be connected to the most venomous anti-Catholic in the US.
I'll post the log of your visit here where you expose these horrible evil bigoted anti-Catholics.
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004.
P.S. For any others readers, I do not believe Dr. James White is a venomous evil anti-Catholic bigot but is a nice Christian man who stands for truth.
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004.
P.S.S. I also do not see Pastor King as a venomous evil anti-Catholic bigot but as a nice Christian man who stands up for truth.I also recommend you take a look at the book he co-wrote with William Webster.
The Ground and Pillar of Our Faith Volume III The Writings of the Church Fathers Affirming the Reformation Principle of Sola Scriptura
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004.
I'm not Gail, but I got my courage up and clicked in at peteweb. Unfortunately it looks like "live chat"--- which I do fear. It goes by too fast and someone's always coming or going---very confusing.I read some of the archived stuff and it seemed like the pretty standard disagreements. Not particularly venomous.
THere is aparently a Catholic Seminary student who is causing problems over there. There was a lot of "chat-style" dialogue to sift through so I couldn't get a sense of what he (seminary student) was saying, or how he was saying it.
Looks like you have to download something to do it.
---You know your getting old when downloading makes you nervous.
-- Jim Furst (furst@flash.net), July 18, 2004.
Jim,
Heh, yea I scrolled up and saw your Grand Entrance. Let me just say, Sundays and Saturday's are pretty slow there. It wouldn't have gone that fast for ya.
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004.
bump
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 25, 2004.