Transcript: Bush Remarks to Pope - Presents The Medal of Freedom

Analysis: Corridors of Power

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45-nospam@hotmail.com), June 04, 2004

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Looking for a transcript of the Holy Father's remarks....

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45-nospam@hotmail.com), June 04, 2004.

Text of the Holy Father's address to the President

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45-nospam@hotmail.com), June 04, 2004.

Bill,

you sound like the Pope is God stating that he is the "Holy Father".

-- Henri (kxhenri@yahoo.com), June 04, 2004.

Henri,
It is a traditional title for the Pope. It is not a divine title. Humans can be holy without being divine.

For more on how Catholics think of the Pope (and to clear up some falicies you might have been taught), see this page.

But let's not get into this discussion on this thread. If you have questions about the Pope's authority, create a new thread.

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45-nospam@hotmail.com), June 04, 2004.

Bill,

I already read those. I just thought no one can be holy, but God alone.

Somehow the Pope become an very important figure to the Catholic Church. I might sound very offensive, but by calling the Pope, "Holy Father" to me is blasphemy because God alone is our "Holy Father".

We can never be holy until we are with God; we are more like Christ in our spiritial growth, but we can never be like Him until we are with him.

-- Henri (kxhenri@yahoo.com), June 04, 2004.

Dear Henri:
You don't know anything about blasphemy; much less about holiness. Please limit your comments to the things you DO know.

Everyone calls our Lord's ancestral home ''the Holy Land''. Is that a blasphemy?

There are many references in the Bible to holy angels, holy men, and holy ground.

We have the successor to Saint Peter in this world, our Pope. His official position as leader of the Christian Church is very holy; since the Son of God grants it. We have our faith in the care and protection of Peter; the leader of --what? The Holy Apostles. If you lack the education and wisdom to realise this, it's not God's fault. He revealed it to the world in His Son Jesus Christ. God revealed truth, and you want it called blasphemy? By whose authority?

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), June 04, 2004.

eugen,

you are right. I need more education. I thought to myself...what does "holy" really meant. See, I don't know. I guess anything can be called holy as long as the object is highly respected.

-- Henri (kxhenri@yahoo.com), June 04, 2004.

The word means ''set apart''-- and Catholic doctrine uses that word for something, some one, set apart for God. When we say the Holy Catholic Church-- we say, the people holy in God's eyes.

They-- WE have been set apart from the world's own. Holy for the sake of God, Our Creator.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), June 04, 2004.

Fellows, fellows- We do want Henri to ask, don't we?

-- mark a (stillasking@middle.age), June 04, 2004.

Henri, Humans can be holy. In fact we think all the saints are holy, and they are human souls.

We are ALL called to holiness.

take care, bill

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45-nospam@hotmail.com), June 04, 2004.

The meeting between President Bush and the Pope had been expected to produce some difficult confrontations. But the private audience lasted three times longer than programmed; and the President emerged beaming, telling reporters it was an overwhelming success and that he and the Pope had reached total agreement on 80% of the matters they had discussed.

The pope then emerged, frowning, dejected and disconsolate. A reporter asked, “What’s the matter, your Holiness? Mr Bush told us you agreed on 80% of the matters you discussed.”

The Pope sighed, “Yes. But we were discussing the Ten Commandments.”

-- Joker (joker@cybernet.com), June 09, 2004.

Jesus said "God alone is holy". "Holiness" then is godliness. The more we emulate the principles set down for us by God, the holier, that is the more like Him, we become.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), June 10, 2004.