How did Billy-Bob react to heliocentrism?

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 20, 2004

Answers

over to Luke and Kevin

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 20, 2004.

uhm, who is Billy-Bob?

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com), May 20, 2004.

that's for Luke & Kevin to tell us.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 20, 2004.

how can you proscribe the use of instruments in Church but contemplate Galileo as being correct?

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 21, 2004.

...and Galileo was in any event incorrect.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 21, 2004.

The Bible depicts the earth an firm, immovable, the "foundation" of creation:

"Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth." (Heb. 1:10)

The sun, moon, and stars were created after the firm "foundation of the earth" was laid. (Gen. 1:9-18)

"He established the earth upon its foundations, so that it will not totter, forever and ever." (Ps. 104:5)

"The world is firmly established, it will not be moved." (Ps. 93:1 & 1 Chron. 16:30)

"For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he set the world on them." (I Sam. 2:8)

"It is I who have firmly set its pillars." (Ps. 75:3)

"Who stretched out the heavens...and established the world." (Jer. 10:12)

see here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/2/part5.html

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 21, 2004.

Formula Hormisdae

Prima salus est, regulam rectae fidei custodire et a constitutis Patrum nullatenus deviare. Et quia non potest Domini Nostri Jesu Christi praetermitti sententia dicentis: Tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam. Haec quae dicta sunt rerum probantur effectibus, quia in sede apostolica immaculata est semper Catholica conservata religio

TRANSLATED AS:

The first means of safety is to guard the rule of strict faith and to deviate in no way from those things that have been laid down by the Fathers. And indeed the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ: "Thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church" [Matt., xvi, 18], cannot be disregarded; these things which were spoken are demonstrated by the results, for the Catholic religion has been preserved ever immaculate in the Apostolic See.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 21, 2004.

Pope St Hormisdas: July 20, 514 - August 6, 523

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 21, 2004.

an alternative translation of the central theme:

"For it is impossible that the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, who said, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church," [Matthew 16:18], should not be verified. And their truth has been proved by the course of history, for in the Apostolic See the Catholic religion has always been kept unsullied."

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 21, 2004.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00C2ZG

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 22, 2004.

Ian,

Would you mind filling me in on this thread?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 22, 2004.

I am presenting Exhibits to be used in evidence against this forum's Liar-in-Chief.

that's all.

you already have enough evidence to agree with my case. i will however present more evidence. i know from experience that the burden of proof is upon me.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 22, 2004.

"Haec quae dicta sunt rerum probantur effectibus..."

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 22, 2004.

How good is this Latin program?

haec - this/these [nm f / NM AC n]
quae - who/which/that [nm NM f / NM AC n]
dicta - saving/word [NM AC, n]
sunt - they are
rerum - thing/matter/event/fact [GN, f]
probantur - they are being make good/approve/esteem/commend [-ed]
effectibus - effect/result/accomplishment/preformance/operation [DT AB, m]

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 22, 2004.

"the words spoken are confirmed by their consequences"

Is that what it says?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 22, 2004.

10/10

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 23, 2004.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 24, 2004.

Psalm 150 [1] Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. [2] Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. [3] Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. [4] Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. [5] Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. [6] Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

get those instruments outa my Church!!!

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 24, 2004.

who the heck brought that harp or that timbral in here??

Psalm 149 [1] Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. [2] Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. [3] Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. [4] For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. [5] Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. [6] Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; [7] To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; [8] To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; [9] To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 24, 2004.

Ian, We've been through this. Their reply? "The OT has no authority." So there is a whole new topic introduced. Where have you been?!? Oh btw, I haven't seen you posting much in the Catholic forum either. Go to this thread

http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00B5aH

We had this conversation with them already, and it basically got alittle redundant.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 24, 2004.

Billy Bob doesn't sound like any Greek philosopher. What are you talking about Ian. Obviously you have some kind of secret purpose to these "random" thoughts.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), May 24, 2004.

I mean ?

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), May 24, 2004.

Dave,

A point totally unrelated to this thread, BUT you are blossoming, mate! God Bless.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 24, 2004.

Are you Australian, Ian?

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 24, 2004.

Yes,

I'm wondering where Ian is located. He posts like at 3-6 in the morning my time (Central). For some reason I don't think he's in Europe.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 24, 2004.

Elpidio

why do you ask, blue ;-)))

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 25, 2004.

Ian, I tried to send you an email and it didn't work. Can you send me an email so I will know to which address to send it? Thanks.

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com), May 25, 2004.

i have sent you an email, Emily. BUT pls do not disclose the email address to anyone. i live in fear that someone like ooga will wreck this PC, which does not belong to me.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 25, 2004.