This I took from th AME forum at Greenspun The name at the bottom I have seen before. Here, my suspect changes to capital letters. He had left this type of messages at the Catholic forum before. I deleted part of his racial slurs.

ISLAMIC VIEW OF BLACK AFRICANS (N...S) greenspun.com : LUSENET : A.M.E. Today Discussion : One Thread Moderator: jharper@spicenet.net

THE POET AND SATIRIST JAHIZ OF BASRA(CIRCA AD 776- 869), DESCRIBED AFRICANS (TERMED ZANJ AS "THE LEAST INTELLIGENT AND THE LEAST DISCERNING OF MANKIND, AND THE LEAST CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES OF ACTIONS." LIKE HIS LATER COUNTERPARTS, JAHIZ CREDITED BLACK AFRICANS," DESPITE THEIR DIMNESS, THEIR BOUNDLESS STUPIDITY, THEIR CRUDE PERCEPTIONS AND THEIR EVIL DISPOSITIONS," WITH TYHE ABILITY TO "MAKE LONG SPEECHES." (REMINDS ONE OF MARTIN LUTHER KING) IBN KHALDUN HAD THIS VIEW:" THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT SLAVERY ARE THE NEGROES, OWING TO THEIR LOW DEGREE OF HUMANITY AND THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE ANIMAL STAGE. IN ADDITION TO THE PERJORATIVE OF NOT KNOWING THEIR OWN FATHERS, PRACTICING CANNIBALISM, AND HAVING LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OR INTELLIGENCE, MAQDISI (CIRCA TENTH CENTURY AD) DESCRIBED THE ZANJ AS "PEOPLE OF BLACK COLOR, FLAT NOSES, KINKY HAIR." THE THIRTEENTH CENTURY PERSIAN WRITER NASER AL DIN TUSI WENT EVEN FURTHER, CLAIMING THAT THE ZANJ (NIGGERS) DIFFERED FROM ANIMALS ONLY IN WALKING ON TWO RATHER THAN FOUR FEET, AND THAT " MANY HAVE OBSERVED THAT THE APE IS MORE TEACHABLE AND MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THE ZANJ." IBN HAZM (AD994-1064) AT THE BEGINNING OF A TREATISE ON GENEALOGY STATED, "GOD HAS DECREED THAT THE MOST DEVOUT IS THE NOBLEST EVEN IF HE BE A NEGRESS'S BASTARD." ANOTHER STORY TELLS OF A BLACK AFRICAN KING WHO IS KIDNAPPED BY HIS MUSLIM GUEST AND THEN SOLD INTO SLAVERY. WHEN HE MEETS THEM YEARS LATER HE SHOWS NO RESENTMENT , BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT HIM TO ISLAM..... HAHAHAHAHAHA STUPID A... N..!

-- AKOBADAGETH (AKOBADAGETH@INDISPUTABLEFACTS.COM), May 08, 2004

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 08, 2004

Answers

When this individual uses racial slurs or religious slurs, he changes to CAPITAL LETTERS.

This person seeks atention.

Here are some of the comments there at AME. Two Threads appear to disappear greenspun.com : LUSENET : A.M.E. Today Discussion : One Thread Moderator: jharper@spicenet.net

Brothers & Sisters It appears that the recent thread from Rev. Mwandu on Africa's request being granted and my request for prayerful support for Rev. Dr. Santucci have suffered a mysterious challenge. While they start up on request within three seconds they disappear. Please check your computers in case something may be wrong. I have informed Rev. Harper of this and wait for his guidance. Blessings Nalton

-- Nalton Brangman (afs@northrock.bm), May 07, 2004 Answers It is also happening with Rev. Paris' May 2, 2004 post.

-- Mary (mary.brooks@towers.com), May 07, 2004.

I will contact Mr. Greenspun to see what is happening. This is very odd....

-- Rev. John Harper (revjtharper@earthlink.net), May 07, 2004.

You're going to love this: The text is still there. The color has changed to white.....

-- Rev. John Harper (revjtharper@earthlink.net), May 07, 2004.

Perhaps this disappearance is evidence of an X-Files phenomenon. Parson Harper is beginning to sound a lot like Fox Mulder :-) Who will be cast in the role of Dr. Dana Sculley? QED

-- bill dickens (dickensb@comcast.net), May 07, 2004.

Brothers and Sisters Parson Harper is right. You can highlight the text with your mouse and see it in blue What is happening I do not know Blessings P.S. This to will pass

-- Nalton Brangman (afs@northrock.bm), May 07, 2004.

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Is this what happened David?

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 08, 2004.

After 3 days, David, delete this thread.

I don't want to give notoriety to racists.

I just want to comment, now.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 08, 2004.

This e-mail notification from AME sounds suspect to me.

sent a note to zoophiliacs@yahoogroups.com

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 08, 2004.

FYI. If it's the same person that posted the image with link to the "beatmotherteresa" link (Hooray@for.jesus), they also hit the Catholic site.

I also notice that zoophiliacs@yahoogroups.com is on the replies to different posts at the Catholic site when I post there.

Don't know anything else, maybe the info is useful, maybe not.

-- Andy S ("aszmere@earthlink.net"), May 09, 2004.

Postings from 216.65.64.52 in the Ask Jesus forum --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Doing a reverse DNS now: 216.65.64.52 maps to ... host52.hostcentric.com (note: if you just get the number again, that means the hostname could not be found.)

erggeg (trdtr@trdtr.ytfytf) on 2004-05-07: Response to Today's Verse: May 7, 2004

erg (TRd@trd.trd) on 2004-05-07: Response to What is Sola Fide?

yfguyg (trdtrdrtd@rdtrdrt.com) on 2004-05-07: Response to What Can You Contribute? "qdesha".

trd (trd@trd.trd) on 2004-05-07: Response to fasting

dtrdtr (dtrdtr@rdtrdtr.rdr) on 2004-05-07: Response to Exactly Why Become A Nun??

ytf (ytfyt@ytf.ytf) on 2004-05-07: Response to Is Baptism Required for Salvation? Part One of Five

Elpidio, Those are the threads he hit, which makes me think it wasn't "Tom". When tom attacked the forum, he just went down the list attacking the thread in the "new answers" page. This guy chose to hit these threads. The "zoophiliacs@yahoogroups.com" was put on ALL the threads on greenspun. This guy went down the list on public forums.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 09, 2004.

Thanks , David

I think you can delete this thread now.

Just save a copy for future reference.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 10, 2004.

i wonder if Elpidio is trying to "bury the evidence".

only kidding Elpidio!!

PS AM I STILL 5% SHY now THAT i TYPE (sporadically?) in CAPS?!?! what about Kevin -- "you ERR in NOT knowing THE truth". is that 50% shy?!?!?

-- iAN (IB@VERIFGO.COM), May 10, 2004.

hurry,...., to the top before Elpidio buries the evidence!!!!!!!!

-- iAN (IB@VERIFGO.COM), May 10, 2004.

Maybe my suspect , Ian,

is a left-handed individual (types mostly lefhanded letters), who uses racism to mask his shortomings as a man.

I never tried to offend you, Ian.

What I said, was that each one of us leaves a mark(kind of a signature) every time we publish something.

Emily, for her short age, tends to write in a question/answer type .

Rod leaves..... in between.

David makes some long posts.

Kevin chooses his subjects.

The old James was dogmatic.

The New James(stinkat) is more open.

Andrew always lures Protestants.

Andy is more open.

Zarove uses capitals. I sense his computer has an old keyboard.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 11, 2004.

Kevin is not the type to hide in the bushes for an ambush. He will face you one on one.

Emily has no animosity for anyone here. She is the forgiving type.

Rod is like Kevin is some ways. I tend to start fights, though.

Gail has no reason to attack from any sides. She states her mind quite well.

James is too educated for such nonsense.

Luke is not jaded enough to even conisider sabotage.

Elpidio accepts all creeds and pretty much takes what other dish out without espionage tactics, but with reinforced text.

Ian doesn't seem to me as one who would carryout any retaliatory actions.

Jim is so level headed he can stand on his head all day without being bothered or vindictive.

Hi David!

This leaves people who orbit this forum. Who knows; it could be a mole from another forum (wink, wink).

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 11, 2004.

I didn't mean to forget, or imply, Faith. There is no reason for Faith to sabotage her own group.

I did mention to David about who might have a grudge against the Greenspun forums.

..........

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 11, 2004.

Well, whoever the mad poster is, I know one thing. I really irk him/her for my posts seem to have triggered their misbehavior here.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 11, 2004.

Elpidio,

You said: is a left-handed individual (types mostly lefhanded letters)

This does not necessarily mean the person is left-handed. In fact, I am right-handed, but I often used letters on the left side of the keyboard when quickly typing nonsense things like sdfdsfwer because my right hand may be occupied using the mouse. So it could be that that person is right-handed and had their right hand on the mouse while they typed those letters with the left side of the keyboard.

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com), May 11, 2004.

Guys

the easy way to start this is to time the attacks/ offensive posts.

at least establish the continent.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 12, 2004.

then ignore the style of the abusive poster because if it is someone who posts here rtegularly they will cover the tracks just as the secret blackmailer cuts letters from the newspaper to address his threatening letters.

Personal - and firm - opinion, it is not someone who posts here regularly and sensibly. perhaps someone who posted in the past and left under a cloud. perhaps some third party voyeur that just likes "spoiling" other people's activities.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 12, 2004.

.... or its Elpidio.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 12, 2004.

just kidding Elpidio!!!

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 12, 2004.

There has been only one period of terminal/fatal attacks on the threads. Then, the sequential attacks were "benign". Whoever it is may have some invested interest in these threads or they would have destroyed them permanently. It is an inside job, but not necessarily restricted to "Ask Jesus". It may involve all of Greenspun. I wonder if it all started in the "church of Christ" forum. They were locking their doors way before things got out of hand.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 12, 2004.

i see your angle Rod.

let me add this -- to be a spoiler, you need some IT skills.

i cannot even do HMTL links (like some others here, i cut and paste links from the caption in Explorer). it seems to me that the spoiler is pretty techie - you must need to be to cause so much trouble in such short time.

of course, my point about the secret blackmailer might still apply!

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 12, 2004.

Well, exactly, Ian. Those "techie" skills only add light. That's why I'm thinking it might be somebody with an axe to grind with Greenspun Forums in general. Perhaps somebody involved with the Greenspuns: friend/enemy, co-worker, associate. The "techie" skills are like finger prints.

It still bugs me that the Catholic forum skimmed through without a scratch. Where is our rescue team? Those threads were just as damaged as ours.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 12, 2004.

I emailed the one moderator in the Catholic forum about the attacks prior to their forum's attacks. I received no reply. Either, the moderator was too busy, over-looked my message, or my emails are invisible to the naked eye. I was hoping the moderator could shed some light on the problem. I was ignored. Ignored.......hey.....is this mic on?......hello......1..2..3... oh, never mind.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 12, 2004.

Rod who?

never heard of him.

who?

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), May 12, 2004.

(nervous chuckle)

Do you all remember the movie "The Deer Hunter"? I'm reminded of the scene where they are going hunting up in the mountains. They decide to make a pit stop as they all get out of there big white Cadillac (on the small bridge). When it's time to all get in and leave, the big guy is a little slow getting in. The gang drives off without the slow guy and leave him behind all alone in the big wilderness. From a distance, the big Cadillac returns in reverse to pickup the slow guy. Just as the slow guy reaches for the door, the Cadillac guns it and drives off again. The slow guy gets irritated and throws his beer can at the Caddy. Eventually, the fun stuff nuetralizes and the gang retrieves the slow guy with one final little tease of a slight rumble of the engine. I love that scene, til happens to me.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 12, 2004.

Uh...."their" big Cadillac....see what I mean. It's impossible to avoid these errors! I just threw a soda pop can at my computer screen.

(I really didn't.)

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 12, 2004.

Well, the prankster in the big Cadillac came and fooled with our threads and then left vowing not to fool with us again. We didn't even have a chance to throw a beer can at him, chucks!

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 12, 2004.

From the Catholic Forum, Rod Could it be him?

-- Tom (TMarcotte@Yahoomail.com), April 12, 2004.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

All we need now a little search in that little search engine that could. Could be.....hmm?!

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

Awhile back, I did a search and found the name Phelps associated with the name Greenspun (Phillip).

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

Anything of interest between the two, Rod?

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

...very superficial business affairs. There was nothing there that would nail any coffins shut.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

I think you and I were correct in thinking that the "mad poster" was using Phelp's name in vain. Or, to frame him or blackmail him.

...............

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

...or, just to ruin the guy's reputation and rally discontent for him.

.......

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

I agree, Rod.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 13, 2004.

Notice Rod : The suspect from the AME forum confessed today. Do you see similarities with Tom?

I was the guy who messed with your posts greenspun.com : LUSENET : A.M.E. Today Discussion : One Thread Moderator: jharper@spicenet.net

Ok, In light of the Nick Berg video, I would like to offer my apologies, my tampering with your posts was only in good fun. I was never responsible for any pornographic or satanic photos or links. The only thing I did was change the font size, the font color and the background color. I saw the video of the horrible murder of Nick Berg and it filled me with incredible sadness and grief. I would like to share the outrage that I know you must feel as well. It hurts me deeply to know that humans have aloowed themselves to create such pain and agony on another human. In all honesty though, this board is so wide open, security wise just about anything is possible. If I had about 20 minutes with the code I could patch the obvious vulnerabilty. Please believe me when I say I was playing very tame. Someone could destroy computers with a system so wide open as this. You will not experience any more mischief from me, but you might consider moving or asking Phill greenspun to patch it up.

-- p (pp@pp.p), May 13, 2004 Suspect at AME

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

Elpidio,

Rod cannot even tell the difference between me or 'tom'.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 14, 2004.

POSTED BY THE REAL ........ROD.

It sounds believable, I'm still not convinced.

POSTED BY THE REAL ........ROD.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

POSTED BY THE REAL ........ROD.

David does not trust me. And that, is a fact from his own posts.

POSTED BY THE REAL ........ROD.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

Well, I know this is you, David.

Tom never writes tom but Tom.

I believe Rod still feels the cruel attack he suffered. Tom apologized then.

He claimed he wasn't going to do it again.

It seems he has no word as a man.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

POSTED BY THE REAL ........ROD.

I trust have this thing about being persecuted for my faith. It stinks.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

POSTED BY THE REAL ........ROD.

I can't even compose my sentences. I type in tongues, I guess.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

Now you know how I feel , Rod.

Imagine if you were a conservative Catholic like Bill, John Gecik, Eugene Chavez, Paul M, Ed,...

Good thing you are a moderate.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

Chranel, chranel, chranel....

An open illuminated book,...

Do you feel like quitting now, Rod?

I lost most of my Catholic friends by believing Jesus is not God. It has been 21 years of loneliness, misunderstandings,misunderstood by family,...

But no more.

Even my mother now believes in Yahweh (Even though she says she is Catholic). She prays to him. She is the one who had the first dream that I would have a big Church one day.

But when you believe you are in the light, Rod, then sufeing is secondary.

The Christian yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

Elpidio, your theology is something that is alien to me. It is difficult to get too close to.

Well, I don't believe that I have ever been abusive towards you. I will be very honest and tell you that there have been times that I did feel quite uneasy with your teachings, but every man has his faith. We can't always select all there is.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

You and Jim are two catholics I have learned to appreciate, Rod.

I always fight injustice, Rod.

This Wednesday I finally had the charges against me dismmissed in court for a ticket I had January. They wanted me to plead guilty for something I never did.

It took me 17 days, but I succeeded.

Maybe it will take another 40 years more, Rod, but my "foreign beliefs" one day will be orthodox.

The Orthodox will be heretical.

Because in the end, there is one Man of Yahweh still standing tall, despite being short in stature.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

At yahoo or Srla, Rod

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

I am going home. See you Monday.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

I will check Saturday, Rod.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

Poni cosas escondidas metidas en mis escritos.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 14, 2004.

Es list este hombre para hacer el mal. Rod.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004.

Elpido,

Are you trying to talk in spanish?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 17, 2004.

David, I tried to write, but somehow the words were mistyped by the keyboard.

Rod knows what I am talking about.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004.

Rod and david, check AKOBADAGETH

AKOBADAGETH

Then ooga ooga.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 28, 2004.

oh, but it is alright that "gay" marriages are allowed. Look at the effects.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 28, 2004.

Elpidio,

You really don't know who's who over there. They are impersonate each other.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 28, 2004.

David, when Tom impersonated us, we knew it was an impersonation. We know who Rod, David, ....sound like.

Even impesonators make mistakes.

Ooga ooga uses small letters. AKOBADAGETH capital ones, except when he attacks others peronally, then He mixes words.

When Garret attacked the oracle, also AKOBADAGETH responded. Maybe a connection between the two.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 28, 2004.

This was posted today at the Catholic Forum, David, Ed, many people are trying to report this individual to his ISP, but with no luck. However, they DID find out where this creature resides and hails from. Henderson, Nevada. The Police Chief there has been looking for this lifeform for his postings of racism and all kinds of pornography. I just pray that this person is brought to Justice for his crimes on the 'Net and in real life.

-- Garret Ford (Parallax281457689@Yahoo.com), June 04, 2004.

Garrett, who are you referring to? Are you talking about AKOBADAGETH (racist)? Or are you reffering to Ooga (vulgarity)? Both have been a concern to this forum recently.

-- Ed (catholic4444@yahoo.ca), June 04, 2004.

Akobadageth. But the REAL ooga doesn't post that kind of garbage. Must be an impostor.

-- Garret Ford (Parallax281457689@Yahoo.com), June 04, 2004.

For Garret, from the Anarchy 2 Forum, Ooga and Akobadageth are different people.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), June 04, 2004.