I think I receive recently an email that asked me what happened to http://crackrock.net/~box/tracker/, but I delete that email accidently. Well, I think that url is no more in use and the working url is : http://www.boxtorrents.com/ Good luck

-- Andy Tsao (nohead88@yahoo.com), March 06, 2004

Answers

hmm

-- El (e@i.com), April 12, 2004.

boxtorrents is no more....but you can still try kazaa or morpheus...they are your last chance....

-- Diablos (bo@co.com), April 12, 2004.

Morpheus is the first program I use to d/l anime. It was horrible, everyone left when they introduce a new version(I think it was 2.0) and grabbing rm files there takes forever. I got decent speed in kazaa when I try to d/l gundam seed, but that was only back when the series was widely available. Since there is no motivation for people to share I quit using kazaa and klite also.

-- ubb (demonreaper73@hotmail.com), April 12, 2004.

Blasphemy! You say that Boxtorrents is no more? It is more alive than ever! Come check it out. Just do a little searching.

-- Mr yonkers (mryonkers@aol.com), April 14, 2004.

I think that boxtorretns is down again...

-- Shinji (shinji@hotmail.com), June 29, 2004.

It keeps on saying that the page cannot be found like it has been deleted or something. I don't know whats going on. I really hope it hasn't been shut down because I would literally cry if it was. If anyone would like to be really super nice, please e-mail me when it goes back up. Thanks! Sara

-- Sara (princesssaysay@yahoo.com), June 29, 2004.

sweet mother of jahosephat no!!! where has my beloved boxtorrents gone?!?!?! i hope it comes back soon, maybe they're just doing maintenance work or something

-- D Mckenzie (mckenzie_d88@hotmail.com), June 29, 2004.

Yeah, i went googleing trying to figure out where boxtorrents.com went.. if someone knew the old ip, i was hoping i could find the irc server and ask someone.

oh well hopefully it comes back.

-- ase (ase@boxtorrentsrocks.com), June 29, 2004.

Well Boxtorrent did go down do to hardware failure a few weeks ago, but that was resolved. They we're back up untill I know yesterday, but it looks like its down again. The IP that it was on yesterday was 68.224.178.198 The last hop before the trace times out is: ip24-248-104-18.br.br.cox.net [24.248.104.18] So I can't actulayy hit the gateway or there old connection it may be caused by an ISP outage, or a node change. Ill just wait and see if the site comes back up in a day or two.

-- CR (crelm@yahoo.com), June 30, 2004.

I WANT MY ANIME!!!!!-cries- =''((((

-- lizzy! (lnbgirl91@yahoo.com), June 30, 2004.

In the mean time go to www.AnimeSuki.com or http://a.scarywater.net They might not have complete series torret files, but you might be able to get some batch groups.

-- CR (crelm@yahoo.com), June 30, 2004.

OMG, this truly stinks! I download most of my animes on Boxtorrent except for Naruto. Hmm, I'll hope they are back online pretty soon...

-- Sub (death_anchor@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

If we don't want to spend a lot of money on anime, I say we fight for it! Sign this petition to have companies like ADV lower their unreasonable prices on anime DVD's because there is nothing worth spending $20,000 on!

-- (godgundam10@comcast.net), June 30, 2004.

If we don't want to spend a lot of money on anime, I say we fight for it! Sign this petition to have companies like ADV lower their unreasonable prices on anime DVD's because there is nothing worth spending $20,000 on!

http://www.petitiononline.com/animepet/petition.html

-- (godgundam10@comcast.net), June 30, 2004.

I'd say boxtorrents might be down for a while. 2 days since I last saw it up and running. IF! there is a possiblity of it being forever down, I'm sure the masters of boxtorrents would migrate or something to a new tracker/site... hopefully this lil probability won't come true and they go back up in a few days... ^_^U

-- Anonymous (genma@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

Just an update, the ircd was brought back today. Here is what i found out..

[DeltaQ] is currently hostless, ADV scared the old one away. Box needs hosting for a new site. If Box says he has bought a new harddrive we all know what happened. So plz don't start asking what happened to site, its down!

box is floating around.. so what has been said is true, we need a new host. :(

-- ase (ase@boxtorrentsrocks.com), June 30, 2004.

If anyone knows how I can get in touch with the owner, please email me or have them email me. I can host the site.

-- Grandedge (toradin@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

go to irc server irc.rizon.net and join #boxtorrents.. see if you can get in touch with some of the people

-- Andrew C (pengy@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

having problems breathing. losing the feeling in my legs. need anime! need anime! need anime! need anime! need anime! need anime! need anime! need anime! need anime! need anime!. I hopr boxtorrents is back up soon. they ate one of a kind and not replaceable.

-- iglod (jbfsbox@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

hope its not dead...i have a torrent a 99.9% O_O

-- ArCh (a@a.com), June 30, 2004.

Boxtorrents is currently hostless, ADV scared the old one away. Box needs hosting for a new site.

-- John (Bui@crapmail.com), June 30, 2004.

Buy your own damn anime, if you all continue to just download, why will the creators even bother making anime if they don't make money. All of you are just contributing to the downfall of anime (whenever it happens [hopefully never]) I buy all my anime, i currently have i think 120 DVDs and have spent thousands on anime. I support what i love. You don't steal your car or you gas now do you? So why must you steal your anime?

-- eva01 (sheilsj@mac.com), June 30, 2004.

for the person above me you have no idea what your saying if there is a way to download anime I'll do it as long is not liscened I'll do it .. 90% of the people just like to watch the anime not keep it ..LoL what a moron

-- Dan (dada@yahoo.com), June 30, 2004.

I steal my gas. Got a problem with that?

-- Will Myers (mortalreaver@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

I want to steal gas too.

-- ubb (demonreaper73@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

some animes are not so widely known by the public and the creators depend on the internet to spread their popularity. i heard this from an interview made by the creator for this series i saw a while ago. can't remember the name though..sorry.

-- sarah (ftc_sarah@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

anyone knbow how long bt will be down

-- steven (bitcloudhx@aol.com), June 30, 2004.

Here's an answer for the guy who buy all his anime:

I don't consider downloading anime "stealing" even licensed one. Let's just say that you live in Japan and Naruto is on TV, then you tape it on a VHS... you didn't pay for it... is that stealing? A very good movie (like Lord on the Rings) will eventualy air on TV and those that did not bought the DVD's and will tape it will they be consider thiefs? The way I download anime to put them on cd for my own enjoyment is the same. I do not have the privilege to live in Japan and to tape these shows so I download them. I do not want to pay 30-40-50$ or more (I live in Canada so it's a lot more expensive thant in the US) for only 2 or 3 eps by DVD, that's what I call stealing... A movie that is 3 hours long cost 20 or 25$ so why 3 eps on 25min each cost so much. For me downloading anime is not stealing and will never be because if I could tape them I'd do so and even if I couldn't dowload them I wouldn't buy the ADV DVD. That was my 2cents! Thanks

-- Poltron (pitop33@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

eva01, it's not that we don't want to buy the anime, it's just that it is way to expensive. Just do the math. Take Inuyasha for example, I know there is at least 150 episodes in the series (more I think). Viz is only putting 3 episodes on each disc. 150 / 3 = 50, so that's 50 DVDs already. Multiply that 50 by a $25 retail price, and you get $1250 just to own part of the Inuayasha series. I know that anime isn't as widely purchased in America as say movies for example, but too much is charged for it. Especially now that anime is really starting to catch on in America. Besides, who really makes the the money? More money probably goes to the publisher than the creator, which is really wrong. I would rather pay the creators half the price for a "DVDs worth" of anime and just download the stuff.

-- linksanime2003 (linksanime2003@yahoo.com), June 30, 2004.

While the site may be down (and the tracker site with it, naturally), a torrent will still function without it. So, while the site is down, just load up and finish what you do have trackerless - that should cover you if you were partially done something before this whole event. Assuming you saved the .torrent file, of course...or use a client that stores them automatically when you start (i.e. Azureus).

-- Shirataki-Sukiyaki (emmaworshiper@hotmail.com), June 30, 2004.

I tried to open the torrents, but none of them will work. They all give me the same message saying, "cannot locate tracker because of unknown error". Nothing will download. Nothing.

-- (godgundam10@comcast.net), June 30, 2004.

WHY?! WHY?! WHY?! This is a question that a lot of people who visit boxtorrent ask. I also want to know why. I agree with Poltron that downloading anime is not stealing. It is exactly how Poltron says. Personally, the only reason I download anime is because the anime that are dubbed sound so really, really gay, and it costs too freaking much. I say let us be free to download whatever we want! GIVE ME ANIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- kandiekane (megam240@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

to eva01 (guy who said downloading anime is stealing):

look man. first off: buying it is way too fucking expensive. secondly i don't give a flying fuck about your supposed "ethics". thirdly: i'd like to contribute to the anime/manga community. i would. HOWEVER (and this is a GARGANTUOUS "however"), THE GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING DUMBASS COMPANIES THAT SUB/DUB THE ANIMES/MANGAS BUTCHER THE TRANSLATIONS, THUS, BUTCHER THE ANIME/MANGA. fuck. what am i saying. i should take "dub" out of there. you can't butcher a dub. a dub is butchery of the anime/manga in itself. (by the way, i think dubbing ANYTHING is a sin... it makes the story lose its feel from the original form... the original "expressions"... but that's just me...) the dumbasses that translate the animes (i'm still talking about the companies i.e.: ADV, VIZ) butcher the animes/mangas. they gotta have everything done in their "good ol' american way" (no offense intended to those who are patriotic. i'm simply emphasizing the fact that they butcher the animes/mangas) for example, VIZ. oh god..... in their translation of Naruto, they translated "Kage Buunshin no Jutsu" to "Art of the Doppleganger" instead of "Shadow Replication Technique". now, though "Art of the Doppleganger" may make sense, it kind of makes the story lose its "feeling" if you know what i mean... also, in their translation of Shaman King, they translated "Bokudo no Ryu" to "Wooden-Sword Ryu" instead of "Ryu of the Wooden Sword"... which i find most childish.....

in short, if the blood translation companies would get their fucking act together and translate properly, i might decide to buy something. if only the good fansubbing/scanlation groups would form their own company... that'd be the day..... *ponders*

oh and, what with the gas rates being obscenely high... i'd steal gas if i could...

to whom it may concern: i am unaware of any "explicit language/profanity" rules you may have. thus, if such things are in place, instead of deleting this post, please kindly edit it. i.e. "goddang" instead of "goddamn". if not such rules are in place, just leave it be. meh.

this has been my "three" cents...

to boxtorrents people: arigatou gozaimashita! without you guys, i'd have to resort to countless fserves. thank you so much! mehopes you guys come back soon!

P.S. if anyone feels offended by this post, please let me know. (if i feel that i have made a mistake (and i doubt i will...) i just might apologise and/or change something...) please note that it is not my intention to offend anyone. (yes, even eva01... sorry 'bout this by the way... but your post kind of left you like a lamb at the slaughter... i mean... people are here to discuss "bringing back boxtorrents"... you just don't post something like that here... it's like going to a KKK meeting and saying black people rule. {have you seen Bad Boys? :P } oh and, no, i didn't mean to offend anyone by that either...

-Wise one...

-- Wise one... (warpaint8@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

First is my response to eva 01, I really feel for you getting you post slaughtered like that but I have to stand by everyone else here. If we all had enough money we'd do exactly what you do, go and buy all our anime. But unfortunately we don't, so we download it and then usually if the money can be spared we go buy it to support our favorite artists. The real reason anyone buys or downloads anime is to watch it and thats what really maters. Just as Katsuhiro Otomo said "It is not the money for which I make anime but in the hope that people will watch my creations and see my visions of this world." And that is the true underlining reason for anime, or any other multimedia form form for that matter.

Secondly, I am really new to the whole torrent thing and Box Torrent was the only site I've used. I dont know how to open torrents without links and so on and so forth so any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your time, Trowa Strife

-- Trowa Strife (DocSox0@yahoo.com), July 01, 2004.

feh, i really enjoyed boxtorrents, and i concur wholeheartedly with Wise. Even though i was banned... (sigh, anyone know an anime they want ta give me so i can get unbanned when the site gets back up?) or hopefully if they read this post they feel that ive changed to be more 1:1 ratioed. feh...

well, i hope its back up soon, and yeah, if im ever unbanned, or something il try to upload more from now on (i have fushigi yugi, love hina, neon genesis evangelion, and some others). eh, well i guess this the most i can do to contribute back to the anime community. (A) i only have a parttime job, like 30 a month... (isnt this a lot ppl?) and B) im flat broke right now))

-- jukos (omni_jukos@yahoo.com), July 01, 2004.

if someone buys his/her anime, how come they know about boxtorrents? furthermore, how come he/she ends up in a forum about bringing boxtorrents back?!

anyway, I'm sure everyone is as anxious as me to have boxtorrents back... it's not only the best anime tracker around, but in fact one of the best bittorrent trackers i've seen out there.

pd. about the dubbing, I agree that no dubbing can ever match the meaning and feeling of the original language (and not only for anime.. like once I saw Seinfeld dubbed in my native language, and I just laughed twice in the whole chapter!)... as for subbing, well... if u don't have dubbing you gotta have subbing

pdd. u know a good way ( free ;) ) to learn japanesse online?

pddd. boxtorrents!! come back soon!!! we all mis you!!!!

-- oso marron (osomarron@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

Actually, i think anime works in the same way with CDs and MP3s. Sure, i download songs that I want to hear, but like most ppl, if I really like a particular artist or group, I won't just be satisfied with having the MP3, and will probably head out to get the CD. I think fansubs and MP3s are merely a tool to help us solve the problem of assymetric information when it comes to many of the things we buy.

unfortunately, i have bought a couple of DVDs and i must say that i'm truly disappointed with the quality of the subbing. i can understand a bit of japanese, but not completely. and so, the subbing is important for me to understand the bits i didn't quite catch. but with what i've seen so far, i think i better off just turning off the subtitles.

-- Jun (junmonkey23@yahoo.com), July 01, 2004.

plz i beg on my knees someone go to http://s1.isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3066 and seed this. I only have 5% left. btw this is end of evangelion. again PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!

-- someone (maximumazn@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

And if you just want to watch the anime and not buy it maybe you should try something like netflix for 22$ a month, because they have your "expensive" Inu yasha. On top of that it doesn't take much to get a part time job. I mean you can go down to your local McDonalds and work 15 hours a week for 8 bucks an hour and end up with 120$ before taxes. Depending on taxes, you can buy at least 3 DVDs a week with that. But I guess since if you don't like that idea, (and you live close to a McDonalds or other fast food place), you must be a young kid living in their parent's house, with no plans to get a job, and most likely will end up living their for a long time.. not even paying for that internet connection you are on now. :/ Box torrents should of been used for a preview, if you liked what you saw, you should of bought.. Or support when it came to the US. Not actually supporting your anime that you *like* (I'm not saying the ones you don't like) will NEVER make prices come down. Now go to animesuki.com and find something nice and unlicensed for yourself. (heaven forbid not everything is a batch dl)

-- x3 (foo@bar.com), July 01, 2004.

Well boxtorrents might have been a good site i wouldnt know cuz i oly wanted 2 d/l the last 2 episodes of shadow skill but i have a site that i gues u can use for now while u need your anime cuz we all do u can go 2 http://animesuki.com/series.php ull last a while wit that.

-- (Hotshot605@yahoo.com), July 01, 2004.

It's not that some folks don't want to work. Some people would rather not spend thier money on something as expensive as anime, especially when they can get it for free. There's nothing very wrong with this concept. Even if we don't buy the stuff that comes out in stores, it's not going to kill anime; anime has existed for much longer than the Western market has taken notice of it, and will continue so long as it has its original fan base in Japan. To think that we who download it off the inet (actually a small percentage of anime fans worldwide) could put a dent in its sales it arrogance.

In any event, I'm not savvy to IRC. If someone could show me how to find this IRC address where I can talk to the Box Torrent owners, I'd be much obliged. I got an empty domain I'm not using which can mirror the site - I just need to know what else is required, if anything.

-- Grandedge (toradin@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

For those waiting for a new server, it'll be up in 4 days. You should check the IRC channel cause that's where they have the latest news and you can chat about anime. Put this in your address bar: Irc://irc.rizon.net:#boxtorrents

-- John (Mail@dodgeit.com), July 01, 2004.

Yeah man anime is expensive >.< like shieeetson 30 buckz for 3 episodes =S

I HOPE BT COMES BACK UP SOON

-- Lizzie (aznlaoguh@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

I keep trying to go into the IRC chatroom but everytime I put in the address it just tells me that it's either down or not there anymore. There isn't something I need to get for it to work or anything right?

-- Min (MinkyungChung@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

I agree with Wise one. I've watched many anime's sub and the same anime's dubed. For some reason anime dubed by american companies are buchered like you would not believe! Also the quality of the acting is a joke. It's basicly so bad in most cases that it ruins the anime. Over the last few years of watching subs I've ending up leaqning a bit of japanese. I've decied to learn japanese and I've found that if you watch alot of sub anime you pick it up very quickly. You can order undubed anime from japan for very little. also a lot of anime is only avalible in raw form. i.e. misaki cronicals.

-- iglod (jbfsbox@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

Download mIRC from www.mirc.com ... join the irc.rizon.net network by making a new server profile... ports 6667,6668,6669,7000 should work, or whatever. Then you do "/join #boxtorrents" It's easier if you have the new Mozilla. You just put that link in your URL box, and it pops up Chatzilla.

-- Trevshin (dreampunk[_@_]gmail[_._]com), July 01, 2004.

Do you people realise, that factoring in inflation, and varying currency rates, the US's anime releases is actually the cheapest in the world? Everybody who bitches over prices is an idiot. It costs more to buy anime DVD's in Japan.

-- Trell (Trell7@aol.com), July 01, 2004.

As for that person who said that we should work a part time job in order to pay for anime, that is a bunch of hooey. I work two jobs to pay for college and rent and *surprise!* there are many other people that do the same.

I believe that the audience of fansubbed anime are much older than you think, and when we work, the money goes to things such as food, rent, and other essentials. You think we have our schedules wide open, and that that we are children? You have it all wrong amigo. What a shallow and useless comment you made.

-- Moose (akMoose@mail.com), July 01, 2004.

First: to the admin: Sorry about using the fake email. I get way too much spam & unsolicited stuff already. And yes, I partially blame leaving my real email in forums. ((sigh)) Now then. I'm a 34 year old male, married, with 2 children that I enjoy watching anime with. (Beats the hell outta Disney!) I've been addicted since rushing home from school to watch Robotech. I buy tons of anime, and even pay the outragous amount for Newtype USA. (Liked it so much the first year, paid for 2 more.) I spend big bucks on this... HOWEVER: I've also downloaded over 100GB in the last couple months. Here's a good example of why: Hear of a series and D/L ep 1 (Maburaho) watch and enjoy it. Go back for more, sorry M_Mich, ADV has licensed it, thus, it's been taken off. Feel free to buy the series when it comes out SOMETIME THIS FALL! Ah-huh. And the Anime Network will be on in my area soon. (Not yet!) Folks, I spend big bucks, and download tons. Has downloading made me spend less? Maybe a bit... I no longer buy CRAP! Everyone that loves anime, will support it in thier own way, according to thier means. I will now yield the soap-box.

LONG LIVE BOXTORRENTS!

-- M_Mich (M_Mich@fake_email.com), July 01, 2004.

There is another site that isn't half as comprehensive as boxtorrents, but still better than animesuki : www.the-easy-tiger.net

And to throw my crap with everyone else's: Half of the us who download are trying to support ourselves through college and living alone. I'm pretty sure if we all lived in your fantasy world of a perfect world where we are all rich as shit, we would buy the DVDs and whatnot. But we don't. Even those of us who live with our parents can't afford the DVDs. Not a lot of parents are willing to shell out 30 bucks each time their kids want to watch anime when they are busy saving money for college and crap.

-- Michelle (theredfishi@yahoo.com), July 01, 2004.

According to the irc channel, there's only 4 more days till a new server is brought up. So for those of you worried, keep checking mirc:

server: irc.rizon.net channel: #boxtorrents

-- (samdamon@comcast.net), July 01, 2004.

I work two jobs, and pay for college, as well along with a bunch of other bills. I still find the money to buy anime. I still stand by that boxtorrents should be used for preview. If you like it, you should support it. Boxtorrents is nice because it has full series, but the problem with it is it has licensed stuff.. Which isn't smart on their part. Only downloading will not support anime. Buying things (such as DVDs and plushies ^_^) is what will support it.

-- x3 (x3@post.com), July 01, 2004.

I'm starting to think that the site is really down... was there any announce about this?

-- Shinji (Shinji@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

Moose: I'm a child... (well, a teenager anyway...)

To all those who spoke of "buying DVDs in the hypothetical event that we were all rich so on and so forth", YOU'RE MISSING THE PONIT. If I had all the money in the world, I STILL wouldn't buy that shit from ADV. The subs they do aren't "nearly" as bad as their dubs, but still... the anime is still butchered... just not as much... If I had all the money in the world, I'd pay all the good fansubbing/scanlating groups that I knew of, start my own company, and so on and so forth...

Things anime DVD companies do that piss me off:

-Westernisation of names: "Kenshin Himura" instead of "Himura Kenshin" -They don't put suffixes to the names of people: "Mr. Makunouchi" instead of "Makunouchi-san" -Westernisation of things in general: (Can't think of an example... but it just is...) --------------------------- I realise that some fansubbing groups also westernise the names... namely Anime-Otakus... grr... they're really good and all... it's just that... but after all the Prince of Tennis I've watched... I've learned to live with it... >.< (no disprespect intented towards A-O. I'm simply pointing out something that I don't particularly like... other than that, keep up the good work!)

I find that the best fansubbing group out there is Kaizoku-Fansubs. They really give you a feel of the anime. What with the usage of "Nakama", and "Yosha!". Also, they're perfectionnists. You'll rarely find any grammatical mistakes. And if you do, they'll soon come out with a "fixed" version. (They only fansub One Piece by the way) But hey, that's one of my favourite animes.

Some other REALLY good fansubbing groups are:

-The Triad -Anime-Empire -Anime-Keep -Infusion (*sniffle* no more Hajime no Ippo...) -ANBU -AnimeOne -Soldats -Anime-Otakus -Anime-Kraze -AnimeForever

Sorry if I left anyone out!

To whomoever asked about japanese lessons on the net for free:

http://noated.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=18

Enjoy!

To whomever asked about learning how to use mIRC:

http://ronin.soldats.net/

Enjoy!

Shinji: ... it "is" down... lol. Read before you post.

On a side note, not that anyone cares, I've decided to use proper captalisation in this post... don't ask why... actually, I usually do use proper capitalisation when posting... however... my last post was done at 3 fucking AM... so yeah... gomen ne!

Again, if this post has offended anyone [...] (Refer to previous post for details... I'm too goddamn lazy to type that shit again...)

-Wise one...

-- Wise one... (warpaint8@hotmail.com), July 01, 2004.

It seems there old site has register a domain name, just want to know who there old server was cause I think they got a new one called Gem3? I don't know, anyone have any more info on it?

-- Justin R (cringe@shaw.ca), July 01, 2004.

For all those who said "get a job and buy your anime", here's what I have to say.

I am 15 years old. I can't drive yet, I live six or seven miles out of town. My parents work, so they don't have time to take me to a job. So what am I supposed to do? It's not like that I am just going to download the rest of my life and never pay for anything! When i get a little older and can get a job, I will buy more and more. However, I will still download so I can see if I like it before I go and spend hundreds on it. I can't tell you how many video games in the past I had saved up for and bought and hated them! Anime is no different. So I'm sorry if those of you who spend thousands on anime were born twenty years before me and have jobs and all that crap!

-- linksanime2003 (linksanime2003@yahoo.com), July 01, 2004.

It's not about money. First of all, the reason I started to download anime to begin with was because they took too long getting liscensed for translation. By the time the first "Final Fantasy: Unlimited" Disc got to the shelves of america, it had been like a year since I'd finished the whole series fansubbed. Other points about translation are also valid; Plus there's the fact that for the amount of anime I have on my computer, I couldn't fit that many DVD's into my little apartment.

The other point, one of the best, I think, which someone already stated is that most anime are actually televised in Japan. Oh, curse me for not being japanese! But still, while I'm overseas, I download episodes of "Smallville" so that I can watch it, since I'm not in the states to see it on TV. Why not download episodes of TV shows that air in other countries, which I cannot see? Just because they release a DVD of it??? Blow off. What is sent to and from my computer is communication, and thank you very much I'll communicate whatever I want, and I'll even call that protected by the first ammendment. To the extent that I can store the information indefinately represents the idea that with the help of my computer, I'll never "forget" what you "told" me. This argument is not about money. It's about people being pissed off that the broadening degree of cleverness among people is messing with their ridiculously fat wallets (can you say "profiteering gluttons"?). It's time to get over it. You say we should get a job? Guess what pal: We work hard for our money, and it's no crime if media monsters finally have to as well.

Yeah, and if ADV is being rough about it, I would suggest finding a host in another country where they have no leg to stand on for this issue. Too many people think that any given set of laws can apply to the net uniformly. In fact, the net is worldwide, so, for example, U.S. laws can really only be enforced upon U.S. based servers.

-- ryunotao (ryoga@inorbit.com), July 01, 2004.

You don't think the "media monsters" are earning their money by shutting down illegal sites? I don't think you have any idea how much money this industry makes in the US.

Anyways, your argument sucks. It is just as illegal to download american TV shows as it is to download licenced anime. People in Japan may be able to watch these shows on TV, just like you can listen to american music on the radio.. That doesn't make it any less illegal to download music.

Did you ever think that the prices of DVD's may be high because of lost revenue from illegal downloads? Dont be surprised if the Japanese distributors are soon going after the fansubbers for even unlicensed anime. They can't be expected to make as much on selling property rights if the R1 companies aren't willing to pay because of lost revenue.

-- your argument sucks (likehell@imgunnausearealemail.com), July 01, 2004.

Your a fucking idiot. Dubbed anime in America has been overpriced since the early 90s. When I first got into anime watching Ranma1/2, two episode VHS were 25$. Anime is still overpriced nowadays. As for Boxtorrents, I dont understand why a site not actually hosting any licensed material was shut down.

-- Mike (Learnwhatyourtalkingaboutfirst@gofuckatree.com), July 01, 2004.

The industry in the early 90s is irrelevent. Back then there were fewer then 10,000 people consistantly buying anime, while american companies still had to pay major $$$ for property rights, not to mention less sophisticated, and therefor more expensive, subbing/dubbing and remastering. There was very little demand then and much more demand now. If you really think that illegal fansubs dont impact the price of retail DVDs, you have no business calling anyone an idiot.

Also, to the guy above, how on earth did you get the idea that illegally having a copy of someone else property is covered by the first ammendment???

-- your agument still sucks (a@a.com), July 01, 2004.

shut up "your argument sucks". this may seem childish, but its the most straightforward way to say it. anyways, if u think about it, downloading anime and mp3's are pretty similar. And if u think about it again, the radio plays music for free that we can listen to. so should we sue and shut down radio stations for playing songs? the answer is no. If i wanted i could just get a tape and record usher while theyre playing it and listen to his music all i want without ever having to spend a single dollar (expect maybe for the tape). This is exactly like anime. These fansubs are trying to promote and distribute anime just like the radio stations are doing. instead of music being distributed, anime is. instead of using tapes to record, we use cd's to store them (cuz i dont have enough space on my comp anymore after downloading prince of tennis and etc). downloading is not a crime nor is it stealing. it is a sharing of files, and when is sharing illegal. (unless its pot, weed, crack, etc.) I bid you adieu....

-- kandiekane (megam240@hotmail.com), July 02, 2004.

and before u say anything again....shut up

-- kandiekane (megam240@hotmail.com), July 02, 2004.

Its nice to see people are always able to come up with new things to discuss.(sarcasm)

How about contributing some usfull information(like a few above have) dependable alternate bittorrent sites, or does anyone know officially what is going on, or are those comments about the sites rumor?

-- steve (doesanyonereallycare@jojo.com), July 02, 2004.

just want to answer to "your argument sucks" about him wondering why a site not actually hosting any licensed material was shut down. Its not hosting but its being used as way to provide licensed materials. If ADV or any other licensing company want to shut it down, they could, because it HAS something to do with their licensed material.

That is why Animesuki.com didnt get shut down, thats cuz they took down the series which already licensed. As long as the site doesnt have any licensed material, I dont think the companies can do anything to the server or the webmasters.

-- rubbish (jose@yahoo.com), July 02, 2004.

OKay, just as a little fact for the fire. It is true that as long as a site has no liscenced anime(IE. ADV, Manga Corp and such) that sight can not be touched. Next I will give the statistics of the profits that ADV specifically makes of of each DVD after wages and such are deducted:Each DVD ADV produces costs approximately $5.00 dollars to make for the initial launch and then dropps to $1.00 per DVD yet they charge $30.00, eventually lowering it to $20.00 and if lucky a few years down the road $10.00 per DVD, true these figures are rounded but they are what ADV reports as its itomized revenue. And about downloading series from TV and suck, the truth is in america there is no law that states that taming anything off TV or the radio is Illegal, in fact the truth is consumer reports show that if something is tapped off TV and distributed that revenue goes up, same for mp3s and movies etc. The truth is downloading 1000Gb of anime makes ADV lose about 1 penny on revenue so shut up with the downfall of revenue CRAP it is not relevent, what is relevant is the fact that its people like yourargumentsucks that make people think that shit(pardon my language) but its true. THe world of consumerism is so large that even if the entire world downloaded all there anime, atleast 50% of the worlds population would still go out and buy it for one reason or another, thats just the way consumerism works. So what BoxTorrent is esentually is a facilitation of Consumerism on the net and without BoxTorrent and the like there of there might be a drop in revenue because people do not buy what they are not intersted in or aren't sure they'll like.

-Trowa Strife

PS. Just FYI I'm 19 uears old working full time at minimum wage putting my self threw collage and I get through each month with about $5.00 to my name when everything is said and done so I buy a new DVD about every 4 months when I can afford them, and just in case your wondering the validety of my post, my fathers FBI, my cousins IRS and I'm a junoir in his persuit for a major in world business and consumerism.

-- Trowa Strife (DocSox0@yahoo.com), July 02, 2004.

oh and sorry but I dont know of any good torrent sites other then the ones posted earlier, sorry.

-Trowa Strife

-- Trowa Strife (DocSox0@yahoo.com), July 02, 2004.

While American anime DVD's are overpriced yes, it's nothing compared to Japanese anime DVD's. We do have the least expensive ones. Never mind how much it costs, or the profit they make. We have the least expensive DVDs. Also, in Japan, there are normally fewer episodes per disc. In Japan, to get FLCL for instance (A shody example, it being an OVA) you'd have to spend something like 45 dollars a disc, and buy 6 discs. TO everybody who bitches about it not being original, go buy THAT.

BTW: I download anime, and have 94 anime DVD's, and am 18. I also DL fansubs, licensed or not. I have just bought the first DVD's for 4 series I first watchced fansubbed.

If you're going to watch the fansubs, at least be a bit honorable about it. "WAHWAH I HAVE NO MONEY." Get a job, I did. It payed for 50 some odd DVD's. It also paid dirt.

-- Trell (Meh@aol.com), July 02, 2004.

anime torrent sites:

http://mirkx.com (new version of anime.mircx.com) www.baka-updates.com animesuki.com www.downloadanime.org

late! ^^

-- D!! (sickesthardcoremadfellas@mail.com), July 02, 2004.

best programs to download anime with other than bittorent = emule (great for rare anime) and DC++ for everything

ja ne

-- D!! (sickesthardcoremadfellas@mail.com), July 02, 2004.

i tried google-ing and found boxtorrents. =) it's at http://www.boxtorrents.tk

here's what the site says basically: Ok, so here's what's happened. Our old host got a little notice from adv so that's gone now. New hosting has been found but this time we gotta pay for it ourselves. Site should be back within the week (today being Friday the 2nd July, which by the way makes boxtorrents exactly 10 months old today, what a way to spend an anniversary). The new server isn't exactly what you might call cheap so donations will be optional and greatly accepted. (its been up 10 months and for best part of that donations haven't been an option as they weren't needed) don't worry, I'm not like that torrent.cx guy ;-)

haaaay... i HOPE boxtorrents' site goes up again.

-- precious_cherie (precious_cherie@yahoo.com), July 02, 2004.

http://boxtorrents.tk

-- aldo (clemensaldo@msn.com), July 02, 2004.

Its good to know that at least they are trying to find another server/setting up another server and that its not completely gone! :-)

-- Stan (Syan48306@hotmail.com), July 02, 2004.

to everybody who is concerned about box torrents. The guys that have run the site that we've all grown to love over the last 10 months are in a bit of a financial bind. if you go to www.boxtorrents.tk you can make a donation. i think its only right that we help them out a bit for all the things they've done for us. you dont have to give much but anything would help them out and get us our anime back sooner. he's only gotten 5 donations so far... including mine. hope you guys help them out. ~Evan~

-- Evan Spencer (animedude81@hotmail.com), July 02, 2004.

hooray! i would make a donation, but i dont have a credit card or a paypal account. but yay

-- kandiekane (megam240@hotmail.com), July 03, 2004.

this is completely retarded. if you cannot donate anything, then stfu and stop dl'ing. this isn't to just kandie kane, but to everyone. it's also pointed at the person who is working a full time job to put themselves thru college, yet can't even spell college (collage?) correctly. People are justifying their dl'ing with the same sad song. A lot of the anime that was hosted on boxtorrents was licensed.. and for the person that said ADV loses little on every download.. do you have any research to back that up? I'd be curious to see how many anime fans in the US have high-speed connections. If we have people here complaining about the price of dvds, do you think the complaint is only limited to us? do you think anime companies like ADV make lots of money from netflix, blockbuster, or any other rental company? We all know that the prices of dvds/vhs suck. I'm, as I am sure many of us are, tired of paying $30 for a dvd that has three 22 min episodes on it. BUT, if I find a series that I really like, I will, for the most part, make an attempt to buy the series. If it's a series that is straight from TV in Japan, they've already made their money on it from advertisements. All I owe is respect and a donation to the fansubber group, and perhaps even to the site that hosts it.

If I can't donate for any of them, then I'm just a shitty leech that should shut up.

-- baka baka (bakabaka@hotmail.com), July 03, 2004.

Hey guys, if everyone here is so concerned about their anime, the least you guys could do is donate a couple of bucks towards the cause of getting boxtorrents a new site. I threw down $10, if everyone threw down even a buck or two things would get moving quicker. The faster the host gets the money to open the site, the faster we can get our anime back. Please don't be too selfish.

Peace Out.

-- Josh (joshua.grant@sympatico.ca), July 03, 2004.

to eva:01:

hey, i d/l anime to preview if it's good or not and to get the ones that aren't available here in the US. i dont wanna waste money renting and most rent places dont have certain types of anime. if it's good enough, i'll buy it. i bought some anime before because of reviews and it turned out bad. d/ling aint right if you only plan on keeping it but if it's good enough, i'll buy it. it's the same for mp3s my friend. dont tell me you never d/led a mp3 from kazaa or some other prog. btw, watching an anime movie on dvd with surround sound kicks any d/led version's butt....so people who d/l exclusively are missing out anyways.

-- LiK (devilartist@yahoo.com), July 03, 2004.

First a comment to baka baka, so I suck at spelling, big deal, and yes I get paid next Friday and intent to donate as mush as I think I can spare to Boxtorrent. Second the figures on ADV were given to me from my coussine in the IRS from ther last years tax statements. The important thing is that Boxtorrent is now getiing back up and running and we all need to donate to it, either now or when we have the money. Its one thing to talk about supporting a site, but an entirely different thing to actually do everything you can to actually support it.

-Trowa Strife

-- Trowa Strife (DocSox0@yahoo.com), July 03, 2004.

I all think that they should have an alternative method of payment, like give an adress where people can send their check, since not everyone has a credit card or willing to get one.

-- Dark (grunt_g_@hotmail.com), July 03, 2004.

this is to baka baka... you are baka because as you said "BUT, if I find a series that I really like..." and most people find a series they like by downloading from sites like boxtorrent! I personally have downloaded a lot of licensed anime, but at the same time i also bought their DVDs after watching the series first. Its much better than the promos or their T.V Dub versions... Actually i think it would be better for ADV if they supported sites like boxtorrent, to be able to see the anime before it come out without the annoying dubbers. And I for one proclaim that SUBs ROCK!

- P.S VIZ should be banned for their crimes against their licensed material they just raped all the manga they license and left them to be bare unattractive crap. I tear for Angel Sanctuary and X.

-- neep (neep@hotmail.com), July 04, 2004.

Yes thats true and if I see a series I like I buy it even if I have the whole thing on CD, such as ruroni kenshin for instance. Thats the largest set of any one anime I have but I have in all about 60 anime DVDs from variouse companies. And as for the comment about ADV supporting torrents and fan subbers, the local con I attend has been sending them pattitions for the last two years emphasising just that with writen letters from those who wish to contribute them, I have tried to get some other cons to do it such as Anime Expo b/c there is a lot more people there that would sign and support a pattition like that but was responded to in that ADV is a large contributor to the con and they dont want to offend them. Alas they are the only that havew responded and as of yet we haven't heard anything back from ADV as two the last two patitions and packs of letters we send. I realy wish it would work that way, either that or all the good fansubbers get together and make there own company and create subbed anime as they do now, for people to enjoy.

-Trowa Strife

PS. The local con I'm refering to is Sakuracon

-- Trowa Strife (DocSox0@yahoo.com), July 04, 2004.

go to http://www.boxtorrents.tk/ there is answer why the Box is down

-- Shogo Kawada (shogokawada1@hotmail.com), July 04, 2004.

Sorry if that was an old news

-- Shogo Kawada (shogokawada1@hotmail.com), July 04, 2004.

Wow.. most of everyone who contributed in this page is just like me, except those who support ADV films. (They suck including the rest of American Anime Distributers) It's not worth paying an extra 12 bucks for the Anime Network. If they had an option to change the dialouge from English to Japanese including with perfect subbing then I am willing to pay for every cent I got. Buying imported DVD's is a great option though, but you have to be careful to which one you buy. Yes some of the subbing sucks major balls because the subbing is done by the Chinese. Downloading anime that are license and unlicense is not wrong at all and I truly support the Anime community. The only anime that I ever spent money on was "Evangelion".. the box set which I got off Ebay for $90 bucks (ADV DVDS Brand New*) and the movies for 10 bucks a piece.. ha Ebay Owns you whimpy bastards who spent 26 bucks a piece for a retail dvd.

-- Jun (grindhard04@netscape.net), July 04, 2004.

Sorry for posting again, but I forgot to mention that "neep" is totally correct. Viz raped Shaman King and Naruto.. fcking muthafookas!

-- Jun (grindhard04@netscape.net), July 04, 2004.

I also would feel better about buying DVDs if more effort were put into them. Hell, the people who do fan subs put more though into it than most other companies. I am currently making some AMVs, one of which is for Evangelion. I bought the first disc (the old, not the renewal) and the entire DVD file structure sucked ass! Also, the "extras" on most American DVDs are worthless. Yeah the clean opening and endings are nice to have, but most of the other crap they put on DVDs are just there to make you feel like you actually spent your money on something worthy. I would rather get another episode on a disc than the so called extras. Another instance is with Banner Of The Stars DVDs. I bought the first two, but so far have only watched the first DVD. The packages state that the first disc has eps 1-4, while the second has 6-9. Yeah, so where's 5? Either the package is just wrong, or they really didn't put episode five on the second disc. Just about all the anime publishers over here in America are just trying to make a lot money, and those of you who buy those thousands dollars worth of anime DVDs are really stupid and just making it that much easier for these companies to make their money.

-- linksanime2003 (linksanime2003@yahoo.com), July 04, 2004.

Hahaha this guy is right ^^^ Like I said again only thing I bought that is real in my collection are the Eva Series... ; ) Ebay still owns you whimpy little bastards who spent money on Retail DvDs

-- Jun (grindhard04@netscape.net), July 04, 2004.

Yes, this whole thin with ADV fuckers is making me puke but even more it’s making me sad… I love anime I buy manga because they’re relatively cheap but I don’t buy DVD because it’s shit compare to fansubs and the companies like ADV are only money whore and don’t give a damn about us the fans… The DVD they do cost to much for the crap they’re making… their dubs are horrid (I better like Japanese because they really give personality and “color” to the characters… the english voices just make it boring to watch…) and their sub are often butchered and ugly… I hate those yellow/black fonts… On the other hand, fansub offer Japanese audio with beautiful karaoke (I’m a sucker for karaoke lol) and great font and color to the text!

When I said ADV was a money whore it’s because they didn’t gamble on anime, they didn’t take chance to release many title until it became popular in the fansub community… Then they saw that they could do a lot of cash and use the effort that fansub group did for free. ADV didn’t pay them or whatever it waited and see if anime would become more and more popular which it did… Then they started to licence more and more anime to make cash but yesterday, when fansub were helping them making anime popular today they make them lose cash (as they want us to believe…) so after they use the fansub now they want to kill them to take all the market and sell more and more… that’s the purest dirtiest American way…

What’s making me sad is, now because ADV is killing almost all the newest release that they licensed… I can’t continue to watch more show and I fear that my passion (anime) will become too hard for me to get… I say that because even if all fansub would come to an end… I would never buy those ADV DVDs for the reasons I mentioned earlier… So will I be able to watch more show as the time pass… I hope so but it’s more and more unsure…

There is only one thing I hope for… it’s that everyone will see that ADV are fuckers and money whore and that more and more people won’t support them… because when you buy DVD from ADV or other companies you don’t support anime, you’re supporting those companies!!! (no cash goes to Japan when you buy a DVD only to ADV!)

-- Poltron (pitop33@hotmail.com), July 04, 2004.

Here is how anime gets aired on TV.

1. The animation studio signs a contract with a TV network. The network can air the series when they bought the right to air it on TV.
2. TV network earn money from sponsors or TV commericals.
3. The more viewers there are for the TV series, the more expensive it will be for the sponsors to put commericals on air.

So the reason why TV viewers don't have to pay to watch it on TV is because the TV network is earning money in the process, and sometimes TV networks don't buy the rights to air the whole series(Naruto is probably one of this case), so having more viewers would mean that the animation studio gets more money by selling the rights to air their series on TV to the TV networks. Since you cannot support the studio the other legal way to do it is buy their dvd.

And what about anime that airs on pay-per-view TV? I'm pretty sure you're not going to instantly change your mind and buy DVDs when you find out that the fansubs you d/led is not free for the japanese audience. So this 'I can watch it for free because the japanese can also' is just an excuse to not waste money.

I'm probably not going to buy anime DVDs until I get employed again. I d/l both licensed and unlicensed, but unlike most people here I don't try to justify myself saying it's morally right because of this and that. And uh, I meet people in the university that I attend who has part-time jobs, but considering their spending I would have to say they use the majority part of their own wages for the unnecessities(better computer hardware, theater tickets, console games, etc.) Saying you spent all your wages on tuition and rent is a bunch of BS, unless your parents are really really stingy about money I can assume that you have enough of your own money to buy at least one or two DVD disc.

-- ubb (demonreaper73@hotmail.com), July 04, 2004.

This guy here said some true facts, but I don't like him. American Dialouge + Anime = Crap that I don't want to watch ::cough:: Anime Network, Cartoon Network, Fox Kids, WB11, and some other crap that you guys enjoying watching on cable, fuck that... Happy 4th of July from an AzN >>> Jun

-- Jun (grindhard04@netscape.net), July 04, 2004.

Happy 4th everyone!!!!

-- Trowa Strife (DocSox0@yahoo.com), July 04, 2004.

Well at least in my case ubb, I really don't have enough money to spend it on extras. I don't care what you believe, but I don't even have enough money to eat food everyday. I'm serious about that, rent in Toronto and tuition for college is so expensive, so I can't go around spending money for non-essentials, or essentials for that matter. I download and watch anime because it's one of the only things I can do for entertainment that doesn't cost money. (Don't bother pointing out the high speed internet costs, I absolutely need it for school). I can't go to the movies, or go out for dinner with friends, or upgrade my crappy computer, or anything, so i decided to get into anime.

I know it doesn't mean much to say, but I would truly donate as much money as I could spare to Boxtorrents.com, but I can't. Although, I think that using e-mail money transfers would be a good idea, since anyone who has a bank account with this service offered can use it, and there is usually a 10 dollar minimum transfer amount. I don't have a credit card, nor will I get one, so if box allowed this as a donation method, It would be smashing, and I can guarantee that I will email money when I get some extra, since it is so simple to use, and I reeeaaaly want to do my part in helping out boxtorrents. Thats all I have to say.

-- Moose (akmoose@mail.com), July 04, 2004.

I don't get it.. I D/L a ton of Anime and enjoy it. It's not free. I have to pay for the broadband and the PC and the software.. OK maybe not the software. I can't see what the problem is. You watch the anime you enjoy the anime you move on. Why pay for it. The stuff is bought and paid for long before it gets here. As Michael Moore and Quenten Tarantino say. Download it and pass it on just don't sell it. Hype aside (yeah sure. Were responsible for twenty trillion in lost sales. Bullshit.) If they wanted to sell it they'd make it reasonably priced and more accessable. They don't so screw em. Happy 4th and Support the guys at Boxtorrents!

-- Derek Tracemere (generaltek@retread.com), July 04, 2004.

I'm all for free downloading of anything. With that out of the way. I think that if you really enjoyed the series you will end up buying the real thing (at least I would). _______ I sure glad that boxtorrents is coming back up. My computer was down for two days (lost all my anime music, pics and videos not on disk) and I came to find the site down.

-- Manga Man T (mangamant@yahoo.com), July 05, 2004.

I support that there be a broad band anime channel online, we can see things like AMVs and some other t.v programs why not have an internet based anime dl source. ADV can earn their money by placing commercials in the downloads... i mean i wouldn't mind and probably would watch the commercials anyway. The real problem for ADV is that they are a bunch of old goofs who think that they can send the trend for the new Anime generation. come on be more creative in your endeavors! ADV need to move to the new century. Anime DL won’t stop. and we will keep on sharing despite their objections and bitchy crap.

P.S in my post earlier i moronically mistyped my e-mail... >.>

-- neep (neep9@hotmail.com), July 05, 2004.

You don't need a broadband connection, heck, I have to admit I don't even need my laptop for college. I would still be fine without my laptop because if I wanted to do work or check emails, I'd just do it in the lab.

-- ubb (demonreaper73@hotmail.com), July 05, 2004.

the internet is free. we can dl watever we want, whenever we want, wherever we want, however we want. this includes anime and mp3s. no questions asked.

-- kandiekane (megam240@hotmail.com), July 05, 2004.

I'll donate to boxtorrents after I'm sure it isn't a scam by some a-- wipe looking to make some money off our misfortune. It's pretty easy to get a similar address to something well known (remember homestarunner.com?), so I'm a bit hesitant.

When I'm sure it's the real deal, though, I'll definitely contribute any money I can. Boxtorrents is deinitely worth it.

-- Wednesday (filledwithpez@yahoo.com), July 05, 2004.

This sucks nuts.....boxtorrents has betrayed me noooooo.....boxtorrents why would u do this.....time for animesuski

-- (apocalypse861@yahoo.com), July 05, 2004.

Is boxtorrents gone for good?

-- steve mu (steve_mu5@hotmail.com), July 05, 2004.

haha, betrayed? Apocalypse sound as if the admin at boxtorrents submitted his ip to ADV or something.

-- ubb (demonreaper73@hotmail.com), July 05, 2004.

Boxtorrents isn't gone forever, they just making a new server and are looking for donations currently. Don't worry, it'll be up sometime. You can find #boxtorrents on irc.rizon.net

-- Billy (blah@poo.com), July 06, 2004.

I currently have over 200 dvdsbut also over 200GB of anime on my computer and wil always continue to do both so i dont see what AVDs problem is besides the fact that they like to rob people for badly voiced and overpriced anime.

-- andrew (tenchustealthx@yahoo.com), July 06, 2004.

Poltron: ADV has been in the business for a long time. They don't just pick popular fan subs and then release them. They released Evangelion long time, and I really don't recall any fansubs of that. I personally like ADV and will support them.

-- x3 (x3@post.com), July 06, 2004.

Yeah i bet everyone does miss boxtorrents. It's so sad but there are many other sites to DL off of until things are back and running. Oh yeah by the way if anyone has Read or Die OVA episode 3 can they maybe help me out with it, my AIM screen name is ThisIsTwank. thanks

-- -Twank Nguyen (thisistwank@hotmail.com), July 06, 2004.

Yes x3, they did get Evangelion, but they probably knew that it was going to be big. I don't hate ADV, I think that ADV is one of the better publishers in America, it's just that they could do better sometimes.

-- linksanime2003 (linksanime2003@yahoo.com), July 08, 2004.

i want my boxtorrent NOW!!!!!!

-- satanielalucard (tuhonor@hotmail.com), July 09, 2004.

{You don't think the "media monsters" are earning their money by shutting down illegal sites? I don't think you have any idea how much money this industry makes in the US.}

No, I don't. They send a threatening email to the host to scare them into shutting down. Not much work involved there.

{Anyways, your argument sucks. It is just as illegal to download american TV shows as it is to download licenced anime. People in Japan may be able to watch these shows on TV, just like you can listen to american music on the radio.. That doesn't make it any less illegal to download music.}

It's not illegal to tape a TV show, or a song off the radio. If you do so, then digitize it for sharing online, it's also legal.

{Did you ever think that the prices of DVD's may be high because of lost revenue from illegal downloads? Dont be surprised if the Japanese distributors are soon going after the fansubbers for even unlicensed anime. They can't be expected to make as much on selling property rights if the R1 companies aren't willing to pay because of lost revenue.}

Yeah, I did for a little while, until I started working for a media retailer. Average cost for a DVD from the publisher: $15. Average cost to produce a DVD (including packaging): $4 Stores base their prices on the suggested retail price (which surprise, surprise, is given by the publisher), so the publisher isn't losing jack from people downloading. Stores still order the same amount of product, and the publisher gets paid. They also don't allow returns, so the stores get screwed, not the publisher.

All that being said, I download anime, and if I like it enough to feel that it's worth owning, I'll buy it.

-- Kai (kainen5@comcast.net), July 09, 2004.

yes very true very true

-- kandiekane (megam240@hotmail.com), July 10, 2004.

HEY! The tracker is back! what are you waiting for?!

as the homepage says, for now we have to manually modify the announce url, for this you can use for example, MakeTorrent at http://krypt.dyndns.org:81/torrent/maketorrent/

-- oso marron (osomarron@hotmail.com), July 10, 2004.

i don't get the whole making the tracker, or whatever i have to make, thing. can someone help me out please? i'm kinda new to all this, and i haven't done something like this, and i don't want to screw it up. thanks

-- tigerdaisy (tigerdaisy15@yahoo.com), July 10, 2004.

just download MakeTorrent, install and run, then, on the "view/edit torrent" tab load your torrent file and change the "announce url" value to

http://tracker.boxtorrents.com/announce.php

then hit save, and reload the torrent back on your bittorrent client.

-- oso marron (osomarron@hotmail.com), July 10, 2004.

never mind guys... some moron found boxtorrents beta url and published it, so box had to take it down again... If you know this Frozentrace dude, kick him in the balls on behalf of the boxtorrents comunity

-- oso marron (osomarron@hotmail.com), July 11, 2004.

mother fuker DIE!!!!!

-- BURST-ANGEL (dada@yahoo.com), July 11, 2004.

*linksanime2003 kicks Frozentrace in the balls*

-- linksanime2003 (linksanime2003@yahoo.com), July 11, 2004.

I've been giving it a lot of thought, but all of this shit about downloading liscensed material being illegal is, well, shit. The real reason behind all of these problems is that ADV wants money on something they never even created. Okay, fair enough. So by downloading the anime, they don't make their money. But when you think about it, what if someone buys a used DVD? The money from that purchase is never even seen by ADV. Why doesn't ADV get pissed about that? I could go out and buy a DVD, watch, sell it for $10 to a friend, he can watch it, sell it, etc. So what's the difference. Also, copyrights are just plain wrong. When I buy something, I can do whatever the hell I want to do with it. Like my Xbox for example. Supposedly (from what I hear), it may have been illegal for me to mod it. It's mine!!! If I want to climb mount everest and chuck it off the peak just to see how fast it falls, I can. So what if I rip the content of a DVD and share it over a p2p client? It's not my fault people download off of me. And downloading something doesn't do any harm to anybody. So what if I have thousands of music tracks on my PC that I don't listen to? It's when you use it that it should be illegal. And that can only be assumed, unless they send feds after you and they catch you. And the last time I checked, nothing can ever be assumed in court or anything, you need cold hard evidence. Besides, the entire law system in America doesn't work. It's not like the government sends me a book of all the laws. How am I to know what is legal and what isn't?

-- linksanime2003 (linksanime2003@yahoo.com), July 11, 2004.

links, I agree with you for the most part.. ADV's bitching about money they're supposedly losing on material that they don't own, because of p2p. They only leased the rights to mangle and distribute it to the masses in America. The problem with used DVDs, especially the scenario you mentioned, is there's no way for ADV to track it. I wholeheartedly believe that if they could track it, they'd try to stop it.

{Like my Xbox for example. Supposedly (from what I hear), it may have been illegal for me to mod it. It's mine!!! If I want to climb mount everest and chuck it off the peak just to see how fast it falls, I can.}

The only thing hacking an xbox does is void your warranty. It doesn't become illegal until you play a pirated copy of a game.

{So what if I have thousands of music tracks on my PC that I don't listen to? It's when you use it that it should be illegal.}

This is where I disagree with you. I know this is an extreme analogy, but that would be like it being legal to rob a bank unless you spend the money..

Don't get me wrong though.. I love boxtorrents and can't wait for its return.. :)

-- Kai (kainen5@comcast.net), July 14, 2004.

Hopefully boxtorrents will be back soon.

And to the people who say its unethical to download anime, think about this : I live in a country where the only anime thats is being aired is something screwy like Chin Chan (recommended for ages 4 to 6) and Dragon Ball Z, wich i personally think sux. In the store (i've really tried checking many stores) I could not find anything but dragon ball z. You could say i should import it then. But then there are hughe import fees wich i cant pay. I'm a student and i dont have a part time job(hard to get one here) and i'm saving up all my alowance for a laptop wich I do NEED for my studies next year. Even if i save from now till when i need to buy it, i will probably not have enough for one so my parents would have to chip in a bit. Now tell me how the hell should i buy anime : budget = 0 €

-- Foxhound (johndoe@hotmail.com), July 18, 2004.

http://tracker.boxtorrents.com/index.php

-- Fantoma A. (fantoma7@hotmail.com), July 20, 2004.

I think it's down again, i've tried the site for the last three days and it's not there. That, and my torrent no longer can find a tracker.

-- Jesus Christ (jesusbits2@yahoo.com), July 27, 2004.

Is Boxtorrent Down for good now?? It was up for a couple of days. I even dl some stuff but no its gone again. *sigh* I hope everything is alright...

-- Jenny (Gamegurl012@hotmail.com), July 27, 2004.

*sigh* this realy sucks.....

-- kandiekane (megam240@hotmail.com), July 27, 2004.

boxtorrents is unpredictable if i gues correct they do 1 or to 2 times change the website to make it pretty and when they do that its down for 3 days or more for each time they do that.i mean why change the website if its just for the torrents ???just keep by the same design then its no boxtorrent down .and when its not that sometimes it goes down the website .wierd stuff is going on by box . if i count every time they are offline its probally 4 times a month and even when they were online a few days ago they didnet have all the anime episodes torrents .i mean there was about 1000 i think .but they just put 40 up and they were bad no fun episodes just a few were good.like hack sign .

but the box said not everything is 100% clear ,so we have to wait again a lot longer i think .i think 2 weeks

anyway just download from animesuki.com they have good anime and its always online the same design website .hey its about the torrents not how the website look like just keep with the good old design website and its fine .

-- anime (junedune@mail4u.nl), July 28, 2004.

"Site down so is the tracker it will be back up on Aug 4th"

(straight from boxtorrents forum)

looks like the new host is on vacation or something... :p

-- oso marron (osomarron@hotmail.com), July 29, 2004.

boxtorrent is bad man while they are offline al the time ive already downloaded 3 full series of 2 of 24 episodes and one of 52 episodes from other websites .

im not gonna wait and do nothing

well i think they will be offline again even they say its perfect now .everyone happy again ,not.i think they will be offline again about 2weeks after they will be online again

-- anime (jundune@mail4u.nl), August 03, 2004.

i've found most of my downloads elsewhere as well... But there's at least one torrent I can only get from box... so far that's the only thing that's keeping me hooked to the site.

-- oso marron (osomarron@hotmail.com), August 16, 2004.