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Two photos on the web of SCL/C&O P.S. 11-bedroom sleeper "Mount Vernon" has me wondering what other cars, if any, did SCL have from the C&O. Was this the only one?
The links below should take you to photos of the car:
Mount Vernon - 1 Mount Vernon - 2
-- Jerry M. LaBoda (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 20, 2004
Good...this saves me from having to start another topic. Of the C&O 10-6 "county" sleepers (Bryan, Dillon, Halifax, and Volusia), can anyone verify if any wore SCL lettering and hearlds? I know Bryan County did, but I've not seen photographic evidence of the other three. Thanks.
-- Bob Venditti (email@example.com), February 25, 2004.
Very good Scott! In addition to the cars Scott noted, we have the ACL Cafe Lounge car "Augusta"-it ran on the 1932 George Washington, SAL Coaches 840-859,6227-6234 and 6242-6251. The ACL also had coaches 270-275.
The 16 duplex roomette 4 double bedroom "Bird" series sleepers were not ex C&O cars as they were ordered by the B&O in 1954 for its services and were not used by C&O trainsexcept in an emergency. Thus, I cannot consider them to be ex C&O cars. While the three dome sleepers were purchased from the B&O, they were originally constructed for the C&O and were purchased by the B&O 2 years after they were built.
Now some can argue that the Augusta was a Pullman car assigned to C&O service, and thus not truly built for the C&O. I take a somewhat more liberal view as it was assigned to a specific train and had the train's name on its letterboard. Besides, it was one of my favorite ACL cars and thus, I made an "executive" decision to include it in my listing. The car's interesting history also added some "interest" to a recitation of facts.
-- Michael W. Savchak (Savchak@mnr.org), February 23, 2004.
There were a number of ex-C&O cars on the SCL roster, most coming from C&O's ill-fated streamliner "Chessieliner". Many of these cars were purchased by either the ACL or SAL in 1950. The car names are as follows: Diners were bought by ACL and named ST. PETERSBURG, WINTER HAVEN, FORT MEYERS, PORT TAMPA and WINTER PARK. Since these were two unit diners, ACL purchase 5 kitchen cars as well, numbers ACL 125-129. In addition to the Moutn Vernon, Monticello, Natural Bridge and Homestead (all 11DB sleepers) were also purchased in late 69/early 70 from the C&O. ACL purchased four 10-6 sleepers from the C&O (BRYAN COUNTY, DILLION COUNTY, HALIFAX COUNTY and VOLUSIA COUNTY) in 1950. As a side note, the SCL also purchased a few cars from the B&O, three dome cars (MOONLIGHT DOME, STARLIGHT DOME, and SUNLIGHT DOME in 1969 and eight additional sleepers (BOBOLINK, CARDINAL, GULL, ORIOLE, ROBIN, SWAN, THRUSH and WREN in 1968/69). Hope this helps. How'd I do Mike?
-- Scott Lofreddo (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 23, 2004.
There were several - I don't have a full list at hand, but know Greenbrier, Natural Bridge, and Homestead were among them. Mike Savchak and Scott Lofreddo have been researching these cars and can no doubt add more.
-- Larry Goolsby (email@example.com), February 21, 2004.
The SCL purchased the five C&O 11 double bedroom cars as well as the three dome sleepers. The ACL had numerous ex C&O and NKP cars and the Seaboard also had numerous cars. The SAL also had heavyweight cars from the C&O. I have just finished writing an article for Lines South on these cars and hope that it will be published in the 3rd Quarter issue. Contact me off line after March 2, 2004 and I can get you more info.
-- Michael W. Savchak (Savchak@mnr.org), February 21, 2004.