CFFC Uses AIDS to Promote Homosexuality, Promiscuity

In its latest publication, the pro-abortion group “Catholics” for a Free Choice (CFFC) uses the HIV/AIDS epidemic in an attempt to undermine Catholic moral teaching on sexuality. In the pamphlet, “Sex in the HIV/AIDS Era, a Guide for Catholics,” CFFC writes that, “Economic, social and cultural conditions have expanded and challenged the church’s view that only in a lifelong, monogamous heterosexual marriage is sexual expression morally permitted.”

According to CFFC, the movement away from marriage represents progress. The pamphlet makes the case that “as the world has changed people have also changed and attitudes and practices around sex have become more mature, responsible and compassionate.” Part of this compassion involves recognizing that “not all sex outside of marriage is sinful. The ethical norms by which we judge the goodness of sex must expand beyond the mere technical fact of marriage.” What is more, “same-sex commitments are rightly more accepted and the human and sexual rights of all people should be upheld regardless of sexual orientation.” CFFC describes “sexual expression” within homosexual relationships as “healthy and holy.”

see: c-fam.org

CFFC is endorced by the Democratic Party

In Christ,
Bill

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45@Hotmail.com), January 05, 2004

Answers

Its the logic of "oh come on everyone is doing it". Can't the Church get with the times. I am thankful the Church isn't "with the times". The Episcopal church seems to be getting with the times and thats why I am leaving for the Catholic faith.

-- David F (dqf@cox.net), January 05, 2004.

Standard Liberal thinking. Claim to be one thing...like Catholic, then adopt the trappings, such as Preists and altars and such,then teach a wholly opposed doctorine that conforms to the worldly ways and is completley self serving and intended to allow them some comfort in their own lifestyles. Rather than change themselves to suit the Lord, they change the Lord to suit what is politiclly and socially conveneint at the time.

They can show off how religious they are and STILL not offend anyone!!!isnt that great!!!

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 05, 2004.

Bill,

I think that CFFC endorces the Democratic Party not the other way around.

Also the Dems have the Jesuits magazine on there and catholic-usa.com

-- Scott (papasquat10@hotmail.com), January 06, 2004.

I think that CFFC endorces the Democratic Party not the other way around.

I am sure it is mutual, but because the DNC has a link to the CFFC on their website, they are endorsing the CFFC. Just one more indication that the Democratic Party is anti-Catholic.

In Christ,
Bill

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45@hotmail.com), January 06, 2004.

The 'Jesuit' magazine you alude to: "America" is hardly an orthodox Catholic publication.

Nice to see catholic-usa on there, but it is simpy a front end to tons of Catholic sites. Pretty safe for them to put them on their list.

In Christ,
Bill

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45@hotmail.com), January 06, 2004.

You are absolutely right, Bill.

1. The Demo(n)cratic National Committee [DNC] and "Catholics [sic] for a Free Choice" [CFFC] are a mutual admiration society.
2. The magazine "America" is a politically liberal, theologically dissent-filled publication.

Moreover, the "Catholic-USA" link was added very recently, and only after months of bitter complaints from the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights [CLRCR] about the CFFC link. The DNC failed to remove the CFFC link, so CLRCR will continue to expose the DNC as anti-Catholic.

This truth about the DNC is further made obvious by the presence of a new link to "Call To Action" [CTA] -- an organization of heretics pretending to be Catholic. I have no doubt that the vast majority of CTA members are Demo(n)crats.

Scott will learn, with time, that his Democrats are the party of death-for-the-innocents, the pro-perversion party, the party to which no Catholic should be caught dead belonging to.

-- (Hard@Truths.com), January 07, 2004.

But the Republican Party is so much better, right?

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 08, 2004.

But the Republican Party is so much better, right?

Right now, as a party, they are not advocating mass murder if innocent babies. But you are correct, we must always be on our guard with polititians.

In Christ,
Bill

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45@hotmail.com), January 08, 2004.

Mass-murder of babies? No. Mass murder of people in third-world countries? If there's oil to be had, then sure! Refusing healthcare to poor people? You better beleive it!

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 12, 2004.

WELL... the thing is, war isnt mass Murder, and quiet frankly, Saddam, if this is what you are refering to, didnt exactly spring to my mind as an innocent victim.

Which do you wish to see hapen, the removal of tyrants who woudl wuell every freedom, and healthy babies born, or else murdered babies, and tyrants gettign huge support checks in the form of " forign Aid."? Many Democrats support sending money TO the peopel who supply the world with terrorists, supposedly for food and education, btu that is in return used on terror attacks, and thats a fact you can look up on almost any news site...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 15, 2004.

im surprised no one else caught this sooner.

david f,

welcome to the Holy Catholic Church, led by the supreme pontif, the servant of God and apostolic successor of peter on whom Christ founded his church.

This church, built on the rock and with Christ as its cornerstone will never falter or 'join the times' though many imposters will claim that this will eventually be the case. any questions you have for us, there are some VERY experienced catholics here who can answer. again, welcome.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), January 15, 2004.

Thanks Paul h I am pleased to be joining the faith.

An earlier thread was posted about the new Bishop of St Louis who is not allowing pro-death politicians take the Eucharist. Good for him! I would love to see the Pope endorse a similar world-wide edict. Historically the Vatican has exercised tremendous spiritual AND political power and perhaps it is time to return to those days.

I will likely never vote for a party that believes it is the reason why a person succeeds in America (Democrats). I will never vote for a party that feels people are not responsible for their own actions (Democrats). I will never support the party of race baiting and class warfare. That being said I have been disappointed with the Republicans of late. I will watch Bush's second term before I judge him as a whole. He needs to reign in spending, shoot down gay marriage, appoint "radical" right wing judges, and work behind the scenes on the Axis of Evil (no more preemption).

-- David F (dqf@cox.net), January 15, 2004.

You've made some outstanding points David! Welcome!

-- Ed (catholic4444@yahoo.ca), January 15, 2004.

I think, politicaly, its time we stop pushing God out of our lives and minds in the political spectrum, and allow poeople to use their religions as a basis for their morals, rather than scron them for faith if they show it in public.

On the note of the Pope in politics, I say that the Church in general needs to rise in power, lest we see an end to western civilisation. For the Chruch guides and directs, and without it, we see the results of depression, and confusion, and apathy.

Brittain was at her peak when she was a land who went "By the book." America, likewise, rose in power with its faiht in God.

Now, the west crumbles into moral decay and decedent hedenism that is ultimatley self destryctive.

What other way is their? what other choice?

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 17, 2004.

"Many Democrats support sending money TO the peopel who supply the world with terrorists, supposedly for food and education, btu that is in return used on terror attacks, and thats a fact you can look up on almost any news site..."

WOW! Talk about a half-truth...

In late 2002, while Bush was trying to win support for the war on Iraq by claiming that we should spread Democracy, he was attempting to overthrow a democratic government in Venezuela.

Who is our biggest Arab ally in the war on terror? Saudi Arabia! A country where all political opposition is killed and tortured, and where hands and feet are chopped off for trivial crimes like petty theft or not showing up for prayers on time. T^hey are also one of the biggest recipients of foreign aid from the U.S., thanks to Dubya.

As CIA Director, Bush Sr. gave Saddam billions of dollars worth of chemical and biological weapons, and knowingly allowed him to use them on civilians both in Iran and his own country. You want to talk mass murder? When Saddam committed his first large-scale anihilation of Kurds, they rose up and tried to win independence. It was the CIA who helped put down the insurrection.

George H.W. also worked extensively with Noriega in his years as CIA Director. Traded arms with him, gave him plenty of money, and looked the other way while his goons terrorized Panama. I'll spare you the "conspiracy theories" about Bush's participation in the drug trade (email me for more on that).

Need I explain Iran Contra?

Nixon had the democraticaly elected President of Chile, Salvador Allende, killed and installed Augusto Pinochet into power, where he killed thousands and had all political opponents killed.

The list of Republican-supported dictatorships goes on...and other than Bill Clinton's support for several tyrants (including Sani Abacha of Nigeria and King Hassan II of Morocco, just to name a few), I'm drawing a blank as to what Democrats you're talking about.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 19, 2004.

This thread is now off topic, can you guys move the discussion to the other thread?

bill

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45@hotmail.com), January 19, 2004.

What other thread?

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), February 02, 2004.

This thread.

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45@hotmail.com), February 02, 2004.