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In Genesis, God is saying because people were so currupt he decided he would only let man live to be 120 years old. But that is before Noah and others, I know the Bible is the WHole Truth, I'm not questioning that. Just trying to Clear this ? in my head.

Thank You; Lisa

-- Lisa Romine (busyfor7@wmconnect.com), December 23, 2003

Answers

Genesis 6 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

I am not sure. Some say it might have been the flood God had in mind, but that would not be taking a literal interpretation of the bible

Genesis 5 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth

Genesis 7 6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

Where are the missing 20 years?

It could mean that God over time would shorten the lifespan of man to 120 years. The purpose for the long lifespans in the first place was to populate the earth quickly.

People who lived longer than 120 years: Adam - 930 Genesis 5:5 Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.

Seth - 912 Genesis 5:8 Altogether, Seth lived 912 years, and then he died.

Enosh - 905 Genesis 5:11 Altogether, Enosh lived 905 years, and then he died.

Cainan - 910 Genesis 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died

Mahalalel - 895 Genesis 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.

Jared - 962 Genesis 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

Enoch - 365 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Methuselah - 969 Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died

Lamach - 777 Genesis 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died

Noah - 950 Genesis 9:29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (Genesis 6:3)

Shem - 600 years Genesis 11:10-11 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood: And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters. [I'll find the scriptures for these later - Some can be found in Genesis 11] Arphaxad - 438 years Salah - 433 years Eber - 464 years Peleg - 239 years Reu - 239 years Serug - 230 years Nahor - 148 years Terah - 205 years Abraham - 175 years Ishmael - 137 years Isaac - 180 years Jacob - 147 years Joseph - 110 years Moses - 120 years Joshua - 110 years

You won't be able to find anyone over the age of 120 years after these people. The purpose of the long lifespans was to populate the earth quickly but God saw the evil in man and decided to shorten it over time.

Genesis 6 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 23, 2003.

One has to look at the verse following and preceding Gen.6:3 "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." verse 2

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." verse 4

Whether you believe these 'sons of God' were angelic beings or not ( I do ), it is certain that something entered the race of men and corrupted it genetically, producing a race of giants. This would be born out by God's words 'that he (man) is ALSO flesh' and that Noah was 'perfect IN HIS GENERATIONS' i.e his lineage remained unpolluted by this corrupting influx upon mankind. Therefore God gave grace to Noah and judged 'all flesh' apart from him and his family.

The genealogy in chapter five does not negate the fact that verse 2 of chapter 6 may mean that God gave this word 120 years before the flood, for we are not told when this word came, before or after the births of Noah's three sons. It is likely that this 120 years was the time period God gave man to repent and turn from evil. God also gave Man the same deadline in Methuselah, his name meaning 'His death shall bring it' and of course Methuselah died just before the flood. In Proverbs we see that 70 years is mans normal lifespan, 'reason of strength' making his years any longer than that (Ps.90:10), so I would be inclined to believe the 120 years flood warning rather than an allotted age for Man for the 120 years.

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 05, 2004.

"Sons of God" and "giants" does not necessarily mean "angels" and "giants". I think that we are really talking about those men in power and of great importance, not literally "giants".

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 05, 2004.

Please explain why the following statement may or may not be referring to marriages between God's Chosen and pagans:

""And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." verse 2 "

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 06, 2004.

The phrase 'sons of God' occurs elsewhere in O.T. scripture and is used of angelic beings. (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7) The wording "daughters of men" is used nowhere else in scripture but in this passage. God could have said simply 'women' but for some reason he clarifies that these sons of God saw that the daughters 'of men' were fair. We then see how a change in genetics occurs in the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men, there being no reason for this sudden change if the sons of God were just the sons of men and producing offspring as they always had. Then we see that God says of Man that 'he is also flesh'. God did not say 'he is flesh' but that he is 'also' flesh, i.e 'as well as' flesh. We also know that Noah was 'perfect in his generations', implying an imperfection present in all others. "And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth." Gen.6:12

From these verses I would draw my conclusion that the sons of God were angelic beings, probably those of Jude 1:6 and more probably those of 1 Peter 3:19,20.

However I do understand that opinions may vary and not all will hold my belief. Yet I do believe this to be a true scriptural understanding of what occurred prior to the flood.

And thankyou for your question.

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 07, 2004.

Hi Gillian

Where would this put modern man? Does man have an "angelic" ancestry?

My understanding of man's "Perfection" is that he is offered all of the components for his Salvation and is perfect only when he accepts that offer. A perfect man has all that he needs for Salvation. It, of course, does not mean that he is free from sin or pure. Perfection does not mean this to me. Noah was in his "perfect generation" because of the obedience to God. We can't go wrong if we obey God.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 07, 2004.

"...all flesh corrupted the world" to me means that man was responsible for his sin, not God or His angels. But, I still must consider Satan's role in the world. And, yes, the flesh did become corrupted by sin, hence the destruction of the world. Some believe that this explains the bad things we see in nature and man, even when all evilness was destroyed, God promised to leave things alone (for awhile).

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 07, 2004.

Dear rod,

I agree that 'perfect' in scripture does not mean 'sinless' but rather means 'complete, without lack'. If one's generations are perfect therefore, as opposed to 'imperfect' then that would suggest to me that nothing was amiss, nothing of a defiling nature, as in the 'perfect' sacrifice that was needed in the O.T. This, in accordance with what the other verses say, makes 'perfect' sense in that Noah's generations were not defiled or corrupted by the 'sons of God'. I do understand that I others will have differing opinions on this issue, but for myself I am persuaded in the matter.

On the subject of 'angelic ancestry, one would have to remember that only Noah, whose generations were perfect, and his family were saved in the ark. All men are descended from either Ham, Shem or Japheth who were the progeny of Noah. Therefore Man today does not have an angelic ancestry.

God Bless you.

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 08, 2004.

I also agree, rod, that man is responsible for his own sin. We have a choice whether to submit to God or not. This is borne out by the verses in Revelation that show quite clearly that even when Satan is bound for a thousand years man still chooses to sin and does so as he ever has. I think, whilst we cannot excuse Satan's role in temptation and deception, man is quite capable of committing all manner of sin happily without him.

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 08, 2004.

Ah! excellent. I have found a new friend who shares in the "Free Will" belief. "Fee Bill" vs. "Free Will". I'm just playing around. Some here will argue some doctrines about Calvinism, so be ready.

BTW, Is "Gillian" a feminine name?

How do you pronounce your name? (Gi-lee-an, Jeel-lee-an)

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 08, 2004.

Dear rod,

I do believe in Man's free will yes, and do not subscribe to the doctrines of Calvinism, for I believe there are too many scriptures that contradict them. I am quite simple in my beliefs, I simply take God's Word for what it says and let it give me my doctrine.

And yes, I am a female, and my name is pronounced Jill -ee- an.

God Bless you

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 09, 2004.

"Some here will argue some doctrines about Calvinism"

rod, I stated this many times now, I am not a Calvinist! I adhere to the doctrines of grace that are taught in the bible.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), February 09, 2004.

David, I wasn't implicating you. You are not a "Calvinist"; I know you've told me so.

BTW, I also have friends who are Calvinists. They are not depraved even if they think they are.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 09, 2004.

No, you were refering to me. There is no one else here that you have called a Calvinist.

rod said,"Some here will argue some doctrines about Calvinism, so be ready."

And you are telling her to "be ready" because "some here" will argue about "calvinism".

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), February 09, 2004.

David?

I argue about Calvinism. So, logically, I too would be implied in my statement. You have already stated that you are not a Calvinist. So, logically, you are not a self-proclaimed Calvinist, but if you add to any discussion your views about Calvinism, then I suppose that you too would be implied as to argue about Calvinism.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 09, 2004.

david and rod,

For what it's worth, I believe that the scriptures teach Predestination and Election. I just do not subscribe to the Calvinist interpretation of them. Yet I have no desire to argue the points contained therein unless pressed, and even then I pray it would be in meekness and honesty.

God Bless you both...

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 09, 2004.

Uh, David and I are the best of friends in the whole wide world. We just don't get along with each other very well.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 09, 2004.

I tend to try and live by this verse:

"If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

Though I do find it extremely difficult at times.

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 10, 2004.

If you read through the bilble it almost always refers to people in general as men. This is not just saying men it is refering to all people in whole. God here is saying that if we chose we have the right to live to be at least 120years, it doesn't mean we can not live beyond that age.

Man in this text is refering to the entire human population. It isn't God that takes peoples lives away early it is the Devil, but if everyone stands firm on what Gods word says then you have the right to live to 120. If you don't want to live that long then God will know since he knows whats on everyones heart.

I don't know what type of church you attend but if you can find a Rhema church in your area they are awsume. They are word churches teaching on the entire bible from Gen to Rev. They teach alot on faith and claiming the blessings God has promised all of us as desendants of abraham. You can find one of the Rhema churches by typing in Rhema Churches in the search engine and then chosing the area you live in. Trust me the presence of God in the church is so strong and god will give you all wisdom on any questions or concerns you might have.

-- wendy johnson (neverdoubtjesus@earthlink.net), November 27, 2004.

Never heard of them before. Is this a Rhema Directory?

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 29, 2004.