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Answers

This form , the trinitarian formula,is in Matthew 28, David, and is used by most Churches, including the Roman Catholic Church:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I have a problem, since there are 2 other versions to it.

The one in Like, which matches Matthew ,says with the Holy Spirit and fire. The word fire matches the coming of the Holy Spirit during Pentecost when the disciples spoke with tongues of fire.

So a better translation should be with the fire of the Holy Spirit. Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire

Acts says that people are baptized in the name of Jesus. So says also 1 Cor. 15.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) :

1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus

Yet, colossians says that whatever we do we do in Jesus name , we must thank the Father.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father by him.

So, by comparing all these scriptures, my honest translation is:

Baptize in the name of the Father aand the Son with the fire of the Holy Spirit.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 17, 2003.

Some doctrines are "Jesus Only" and baptize as such. It is relevant to maintain in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as Elpidio has demonstrated.

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), November 17, 2003.

That is how I have baptized my children, Rod.

In the name of the Yahveh the Father, in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, let God's Spirit descend over you.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 17, 2003.

Elpidio,

You are a book of astonishments; you yourself baptised your own children???

-- james (elgreco1541@hotmail.com), November 20, 2003.

That astonishes James?

What if you saw, I hope you can see it, 400 million plus in the next 50 years believing as I do?

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 20, 2003.

By the way:

Before 1540 there were no unitarians in Christianity. Last were killed in Spain by 660 AD.

Believers in God only existed in the Church from 33 AD-70 AD. After that, they split into dualists and Unitarians. By 140 AD trinitarians entered the picture. By 325 they began to take hold of the Roman Empire. By 381 AD they took hold.

By 1930s only the Unitarians existed. By 2000 AD there were also Holy name people and many Yahwist groups. They total more than 2 million.

I am was called to be a Yahvist while still a Catholic.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 20, 2003.

You will all be baptized with Fire when the Comet hits.

-- sam hart (hartley@eol.ca), November 24, 2003.

Halley's comet passed already, Sam.

Nothing happened.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 24, 2003.

Yikes! Yikes! Tomorrow is doomsday! Oh, wait, it is already tomorrow in Australia and nothing happened. Never mind.

rod...

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), November 24, 2003.

Sam's one-liner: lol
Don't forget Sam, YOU ALSO will be baptised with Fire, unless you're from a different planet.

-- james (elgreco1541@hotmail.com), November 24, 2003.

I think that David was sincere in asking this question. I would humbly ask that people who are not sincere in addressing the question please refrain from making jokes and insignificant comments. If we would look at Church history we will fine that people with the view, baptizing in the name of "Lord Jesus Christ" have been persecuted and murdered. It has caused churches to split and centuries of theological discussion.This is a serious question which has been debated since the 1st century church. There is significant documentation out there that proves that the early church baptized in "The name of "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" or "Lord Jesus Christ". Particularly the Catholic Church. The New Catholic Encyclopedia states that " it appears that the early church first baptized in the name of Jesus." Further, The Encyclopedia Britannica Vol.3, page 369, is a reference to several early writers who doubted that Matthew 28:19 is the exact words of Jesus that mentions more than a score of citations where early writers quoted Matthew 28:19 as reading, "in my name" instead of "in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Please refer to Encyclopedia Biblica, Vol. 1, and Bible Encyclopedia, page 392, for further valuble information concerning the beginning of baptism in the Trinity. The baptism in the name of Jesus is based on scripture, not bias history, councils, tradition, or creeds.

Remission of sins at baptism is given by being in the "Name". The Apostle said "To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall recieve remission of sins." Acts10:43. Jesus said, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem," Luke 24:46,47. As one preacher has said "The truth has nothing to fear. Great is the truth, and mighty above all things, and will prevail."

-- Bruce Paris (BPariscooljc@hotmail.com), December 22, 2003.

Hi Bruce.

We aren't joking about Baptism. Not, me. I'm too worried about having a comet fall on me.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), December 23, 2003.

Hello fellow readers!

I know some are not serious about the topic. However, I do wish to dialogue with people who have a sincere interest with the subject matter (Baptism in the name of Jesus, or Father, Son and HolyGhost). Please do so, I welcome all who are serious about the word of God.

-- Bruce (BPariscooljc@hotmail.com), December 24, 2003.

Bruce, what do you believe in exactly?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 24, 2003.

Hi David!

I believe in the Bible. The Protestant Reformation Theologians has coined it, "Sola Scriptura"( scripture alone ), Later the Latin reformation slogan came about,Quod Non Est Biblica, Non Est Theologicum (What is not Biblical is not Theological). The New Testament very clearly shows that the disciples of Jesus Christ Baptized in the Name of "Jesus," "Jesus Christ","Lord Jesus Christ." I believe that the promise of the Father which is the "Holy Spirit" was previously prophicied to guide the disciples into all truth. And that once the Holy Sp[irit was given on the day of Pentecost, The 120 disciples and those in the Book of acts, understood what Jesus instruction were, and it was given to Luke by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Baptizing in the name of the Faher, the Son and the Holy Spirit is not Biblical and is not found once in Holy scripture. The fact is, it was developed later in the 3rd or 4th century. Many theologian has testfied to this fact, even Catholic writers. I believe that "There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved." Baptizing in the name of the "Lord Jesus Christ," "Jesus," "Jesus Christ" is the correct (Biblical way) to baptize. The Bible and the Holy Spirit will never contradict each other, only traditions of men, customs, creeds and bias reported history will do this.

Christ

-- Bruce (BPariscooljc@hotmail.com), December 27, 2003.

Yes, the New Testament believers were baptized in the name of Jesus Chirst. I can't see why anyone would say this is wrong.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 27, 2003.

Hello fellow readers!

Please Pray on my last transmission dated December 27,2003, and asked The Lord Jesus to reveal the truth to you concerning this matter. I am sure he will show it to those who have a honest and open heart to the truth concerning baptism.

-- Bruce (BPariscooljc@hotmail.com), December 27, 2003.

Bruce said,"Remission of sins at baptism is given by being in the "Name". The Apostle said "To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall recieve remission of sins." Acts10:43. Jesus said, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem," Luke 24:46,47. As one preacher has said "The truth has nothing to fear. Great is the truth, and mighty above all things, and will prevail.""

What did you mean by this?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 27, 2003.

Jesus gave the instruction to the disciples in 24-th chapter of Luke before he ascended to heaven that the Gospel would begin to be preached in his Name among all nations (all, all, all, all Nations including America, Africa, Europe, etc , etc )beginning at Jerusalem. So on the day of Pentecost (The Birth day of the Church ,the giving of the Holy Spirit), Peter stood up and said"... Repent and be Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the Remission (again I repeat "Remission")of sin and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Through His Name (Jesus)not Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The truth in scripture wil stand the test of time.

-- Bruce (BPariscooljc@hotmail.com), December 27, 2003.

What grants Remission of sins? Believing in His Name or Water Baptism in his Name?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 28, 2003.

Believing in his Name is submmitting to water baptism in His Name. People who say they believe and don't do as he has said, are not believers or they are stubborn and hard hearted to the truth and the command of scripture. Faith without works are dead. Show me your works and I'll show you your Faith.

-- Bruce (BPariscooljc@hotmail.com), December 28, 2003.

JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY AMEN.

-- Carl m Byrd (bbyrd@aol.com), June 12, 2004.

yes.....Jesus is also God and also the Holy Spirit--The Holy Trinity. So, if you believe that Jesus is the only way, you must then include The Father and the Holy Spirit.

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), June 14, 2004.

"In the name of" means "by the authority of"

Stop! in the name of the Law!

In other words, "According to the authority of the Law, stop!"

The Father, Son, and Spirit share One Authority.

When we are baptized, we are baptized under this One Authority.

The "Name of Jesus Christ" is the abbreviated form referring to the One Authority.

Those who try to twist this into a particular formula necessary for proper water baptism miss the entire point. We are baptized according to the command and authority of Jesus Christ, the same authority that the Father holds, and the Holy Spirit holds. We are not baptized under/by any other Authority.

Also, many of those who insist on one strict formula are usually those who reject the doctrine of the triunity of God, which is a denial of the Father and the Son.

-- Max Darity (arrowtouch@yahoo.com), June 26, 2004.

Praise the lord, There is only one name above all name, one name given unto man for salvation... Since when father is a name, I'm myself a father, I have got children and I surely can prove I had a father... In me I have a spirit, wish I believe is Holy... but father or son are not my name, they are title or position in my parental and child life and it is clear that I'm one solo person divided in functions. My name is power of authority for cashing a cheque, retrieving a letter, opening an account... It is exactly the same with the baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, a baptism of authority (Was I not doing that in your name? and the answer is I never knew you) in other word we did not have a relationship together. hear israel your God is one... No other God, one not three... Jesus is lord. Was he the father? Esaiah 9v.6 said it clearly, we will call him everlasting father, he answerd phillip by who have seen me have seen the father because the father and i are one. I do believe it is clear. God bless. Bishop Gilson-Levi

-- Bishop J-M Gilson-Levi (bishop@gilson-ministries.5u.com), June 27, 2004.

Welcome to the forum Bishop

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), June 27, 2004.

Moslems sometimes attempt to convert Christians based on an argument similar to this: Christians only know a water baptism. The baptism by fire is when one is filled with the great passion from Allah after converting to Islam. The Moslem teachers maintain that John the Baptist,when quoted in Luke 3:16 and Matt. 3:11, (the only time "baptism by the Holy Spirit and fire" is ever mentioned in the Bible,) is not referring to Jesus, but Mohammed. In Luke 12:50 Jesus says He has another baptism to undergo, referring to his suffering and death. Then he says His disciples will also go through this baptism in Mark 10:38-39. Fire is a metaphor for persecution and the suffering that purifies the heart. It is not about passion or enthusiasm, as the Moslems believe. The Moslems will take advantage of this misunderstanding when it is shared by Christians, for it supports their argument against the various historical baptismal practices, regardless of methodolgy or format. RCW

-- Richard Wagoner (fbcrcw@bellsouth.net), August 07, 2004.

The trinity creed was "invented" at the Council of Nicaea. From the day of Pentecost until the Nicaean Councils, the church baptized using the name of Jesus only, or Lord Jesus.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

We all know that there is only one God. I'm not saying that the Trinity belief is wrong, but many church wordings insert the phrase "seperate persons" which isn't accurate.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This verse tells us three things. 1)Jesus is the son. 2) Jesus is God. 3) Jesus is the Father

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

If Jesus is the child of the Holy Spirit, doesn't this make the Holy Spirit the Father also?

John 14:16-18 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Jesus is saying that the world (unbelievers) cannot know nor receive the Holy Spirit because he (the Spirit is not an "it") dwells only inside. Then Jesus clearly states that he himself is that comforter to come.

Colossians 2:9 For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form

This means that the Father and Son and Holy Spirit all exist inside Jesus, whereas typical trinitarian thinking is that Jesus is the Son who exists as one part to a three-part God.

Jesus is God. Jesus is the Son. Jesus is the Father. Jesus is the Holy Ghost.

The trinity thinking isn't wrong however. The scriptures themselves refer to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit as three distinctive "personalities" of God. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea..."

Basically, Oneness and Trinitarians teach nearly the exact same truth, just from different angels. It is correct to baptize "in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."

It is also correct to baptize "in the name of Jesus Christ."

They are the same.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), August 08, 2004.

The Creed was formulated at Nicaea, outlining the essential beliefs which had been part of Christianity from the beginning. Nothing was " "invented". From the moment Jesus Christ Himself had personally commanded that baptism be performed in the name of the Trinity, the Church had baptized in the name of the Trinity.

The fact that the Trinity is made up of three separate Persons is absolute Christian dogma. Any statement to the contrary is heretical. Scripture repeatedly refers to the three divine Persons, both individually and collectively. Jesus said the father would send the Holy Spirit, so obviously the Father and the Holy Spirit cannot be the same Person. Yet Jesus repeatedly referred to both the Father and the Holy Spirit as "He", a pronoun which pertains only to a person, and to a person distinct from the speaker. At the baptism of Jesus, God the Son stood in the water as God the Father spoke from heaven and God the Holy Spirit descended as a dove - three separate Persons acting simultaneously and independently.

Matthew 1:18 does NOT say "the child of the Holy Ghost". You misquote the Word of God, trying to force it to conform to the word of yourself. Matt 1:18 says Mary was with child BY the Holy Ghost. If the Holy Ghost and the Father were the same Person, then the passage WOULD indeed say "child OF the Holy Ghost", just as you misrepresented it. But it doesn't. If the Father and the Holy Ghost were the same Person, Jesus's statement that the father would SEND the Holy Ghost, a passage you quoted (John 14:16-18), would make no sense at all. Likewise in that same passage, if Jesus and the Holy Ghost were the same Person, Jesus would not have referred to the Holy Ghost in the rhird person. Third person pronouns are appropriate only when speaking of another person, not when speaking of onesself.

You have also totally misinterpreted Colossians 2:9. The passage does NOT indicate that the Father and Son and Holy Spirit all exist inside Jesus. Furthermore, trinitarian doctrine does NOT state that "Jesus is the Son who exists as one part to a three-part God." God has no parts! Trinitarian doctrine states that Jesus Christ, in and of Himself, is FULLY God. The Father is likewise FULLY God, and the Holy Ghost is FULLY God. Colossians 2:9 says exactly the same thing.

God has three "personalities"?? In other words, God is schizophrenic?? Anyone who speaks of himself in the third person, let alone multiple third persons, has some serious problems. Sorry, but I can't buy the idea that God is psychotic. ONE normal person has ONE personality. God has three personalities only because He IS three Persons! "Let us make man in our image" has nothing to do with personalities. The word "us" referes either to multiple persons, or to a psychotic who thinks he is multiple persons.

Doing anything "in the name of Jesus Christ" means doing it as Jesus Christ wills it to be done. Jesus Christ commanded baptism in the name of the Trinity, therefore that is his stated will. Therefore baptizing in the name of the Trinity is the only way to truly baptize in obedience to Jesus Christ and therefore in the name of Jesus Christ.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), August 08, 2004.

“The Creed was formulated at Nicaea, outlining the essential beliefs which had been part of Christianity from the beginning. Nothing was ‘invented.’” - Paul M.

There you have it. The creed itself did not exist until nearly 300 years after the creation of the Church. I carefully worded my other post to make clear that the creed itself was not in existence.

“From the moment Jesus Christ Himself had personally commanded that baptism be performed in the name of the Trinity, the Church had baptized in the name of the Trinity.” – Paul M.

Please provide the scripture where a baptism was performed with the words “in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.” Every conversion recorded in the book of Acts was done in the name of Jesus or Christ Jesus or our Lord, etc…

“The fact that the Trinity is made up of three separate Persons is absolute Christian dogma. Any statement to the contrary is heretical. Scripture repeatedly refers to the three divine Persons, both individually and collectively.” - Paul M.

I agree to the third sentence. Scripture clearly defines three. But you sound like you believe in three God’s—a clear violation to the unity of God.

“Matthew 1:18 does NOT say "the child of the Holy Ghost". You misquote the Word of God, trying to force it to conform to the word of yourself. Matt 1:18 says Mary was with child BY the Holy Ghost. If the Holy Ghost and the Father were the same Person, then the passage WOULD indeed say "child OF the Holy Ghost", just as you misrepresented it. But it doesn't.” – Paul M.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. (KJV)

Some translations use “by” while others say “through” or as KJV and NKJV, “of.” In reality, it doesn’t matter. I am my father’s son by, through and of him. Perhaps you reject the KJV and it’s revised editions, or perhaps you posted too soon. In any case, you clearly accused me of misquoting for my own personal gain. Since the passage does say “of the Holy Ghost” should I expect you to admit that the Father and the Holy Ghost are the same Person?

“…if Jesus and the Holy Ghost were the same Person, Jesus would not have referred to the Holy Ghost in the third person. Third person pronouns are appropriate only when speaking of another person, not when speaking of onesself.” – Paul M.

John 14:16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Yes Jesus refers to the Spirit in the third person. But don’t miss the last verse when Jesus switches to first person and tells them that he himself is the comforter. Jesus said that He would be with us until the end. How? Is he with us physically? No, Jesus is with us because the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God is with us, in us. Remember that while Jesus is fully God, he is also human. This is how Jesus is both God and the Son of God simultaneously.

“You have also totally misinterpreted Colossians 2:9. The passage does NOT indicate that the Father and Son and Holy Spirit all exist inside Jesus.” – Paul M.

Colossians 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, (NIV)

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (KJV)

If the Father is God, and the fullness of God exists in the form of Jesus, the Father exists in Jesus. It seems like you are suggesting that Christ is fully God, but not really fully because the Father doesn’t exist in him. Jesus clearly states that the Father exists in him, and he also in the Father. (John 17:21)

“Furthermore, trinitarian doctrine does NOT state that ‘Jesus is the Son who exists as one part to a three-part God.’” – Paul M.

Trinity thinking (as I stated before) is that Jesus is God, but one part or person in some kind of multi-God. Visit some Church websites and read their beliefs on the Trinity. Many wordings use “parts.”

You are correct that Jesus is fully God, and God has no parts. Using personalities was not the best wording, but you used distinctions, which is what I was getting at. God certainly isn’t suffering extreme personality disorders. I’ll borrow an example. I have a mind and a body and a soul, but am I three persons? No, I’m only one. I am not fully me if I was lacking any one distinction. God certainly has three distinctions, but He is not three people. I didn’t use the verse in Genesis to prove personalities, only to demonstrate plurality, a problem for oneness believers.

“Therefore baptizing in the name of the Trinity is the only way to truly baptize in obedience to Jesus Christ and therefore in the name of Jesus Christ.” – Paul M.

If you are saying that baptizing in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is the same thing as baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ, then I agree. But if you are saying that uttering the words “in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” must be done in order to properly baptize into Jesus, I cannot. The Church did not use the trinity words as you hold. Were they wrong or are you?

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), August 08, 2004.

"...the New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus." Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. I, pg 435. or online here

"It must be acknowledged that the 3-fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, bur rather in the name of Jesus, or Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus... Christian baptism was administered using the words, 'in the name of Jesus.' Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until the time of Justin the Martyr." Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, pg 66, 377, 380.

"The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the 2nd century." Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, pg 435.

"Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to the words Father, Son and Holy Ghost in the second century." Britanica Encyclopedia, 11th edition, Volume 3, pg 365.

"...the original form of words was into the name of Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus. Baptism into the trinity was a later development." Dictionary of the Bible by Scribner, pg 241.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), October 10, 2004.

"...a person is not to be rebaptized who has already been baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity or in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles (for it is one and the same thing, as St. Ambrose has explained)." Catholic Encyclopedia

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), October 10, 2004.

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-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), October 10, 2004.

Later they explain that the Pope did not say that "Christ only" baptisms were valid.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), October 10, 2004.

"Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to the words Father, Son and Holy Ghost in the second century."

A: Surrrre it was. That's why Christ Himself is quoted by Matthew ... "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19) To baptize "in the name of Jesus" means to baptize according to the will of Jesus; and His will as expressed in this passage couldn't be clearer.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), October 11, 2004.

I have been reading all the answers and some I agree with and some I don't. We must understand that GOD's word is "TRUTH". It does not matter what we think, feel or believe. God will hold all of us accountable for what his Word teaches. Now, "NO" where in scripture does it say that ANYONE was ever baptized in Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If you can find it were is the biblical account of it. As we find biblical accounts on how to live, we also find biblical accounts on baptism. What I read in the scripture on baptisim shows only the account on baptism taking place in the name of "JESUS". So, ask yourself, did the apostoles have it wrong when Jesus told them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, if they did it makes the Word of God of no effect. If that is the case all church, temples and etc, should lock and chain the doors, because it will make the Word of God no longer true.

But, praise God the scripture says, let God be true. Heaven and earth will pass away but his Word will not. We need to remember that God gives us direction and if we don't follow the directions we are like the children of Israil dieing in the wilderness. God WILL NOT except us doing things are way based on feelings, traditions, etc. Cain and Able both gave a offering as God commanded them, but cain gave God what he didn't ask for. They gave but God rejected Cain, why, because he did it his way. So, if we base baptism on one scripture and not study baptism as a whole we can says and believe anything. Biblical account of baptism in scripture is in "JESUS" name, and to do it anyother way states that scripture is not TRUTH.

In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD "was" GOD...but "we" beheld him as the only begotten(John 1). Just because we beheld him as the only begotten does not make him anyless "GOD"..............

Again, if ANYONE can show were anyone in scripture was baptized any other way show me. Remember it is after he was raised from the dead. That is why the theft on the cross didn't have to be baptized in JESUS name, because they were still under the law. Only after Jesus rose and went back, did it become nessecary to be as Peter said "(1)Repent, (2)be Baptise in Jesus name, (3)receive Holy Ghost. Three steps Gods number of COMPLETENESS. What I like about the account of baptism in scriture is that God left no one out. People had the Holy "GHOST" before they were baptized (Acts 10). When John the Baptise followers heared they were REBAPTIZED in Jesus name. God made it so that NO ONE will have an excuse when your time comes to stand before him...........

Thanks, Darren

-- darren jackson (mr_t1205@hotmail.com), February 24, 2005.