Yes John, this question is for you!

When Henry VIII split with Rome, did the existing church buildings keep their Catholic saint names, or were they all renamed? I know that is a silly question, but I have always wondered about it. Does the Anglican Church name saints also?

-- GT (nospam@nospam.com), October 06, 2003

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I too don't know if they have saints, but one simple fact - We all know why Henry left the catholic church. He made his own church because he wanted to do the wrong thing. The question is, how could a church like that have saints? It's base itself is based on heresy and evil. It is not even funny to think about that church having saints. What is happening, and what is going to happen is either the complete destrution of that church, or we all will be witnesses to the complete fall of that church to the dark side, and become the instrument of the devil. It has been happening throughout the time, and now we are seeing more and more of the fall. It is simply inevitable. What I don't understand is why, the people allowed their King to do this evil thing, and why they still make themselves part of it.

-- Abraham T (lijothengil@yahoo.com), October 06, 2003.

Sainthood has never depended on formal canonization. There are Old Testament saints, and the Church didn't have to canonize archangels, yet they're called saints.

Theoretically, all souls who enter eternal life in heaven come to full sainthood.

The holy apostle Paul referred every day to his flock as living saints. We should do it too. --Our Church is inhabited by real saints, every soul in sanctifying grace. That means you-- if you're in a state of grace. If you become an exemplary saint, the Church may see fit to canonize you eventually. But,-- in heaven God will count you among His saints, even if no one on earth ever does it.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), October 07, 2003.

Henry VIII did keep the saint names of the churches the same. Why? Because he loved the Church. I guess he just loved marrying women more. But if you go to an Anglican "Mass," you will find that they are almost exactly like the Catholic Masses. The Anglican masses were probably closer to a catholic mass about 100 years ago though.

As far as I know the Anglican Church does have saints. Here is a list of them ... http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/bioalpha.html

There are also Orthodox Christian Saints. Here is a list of those ... http://www.orthodox.net/links/saints-by- name.html

I hope this helps.

-- Scott (papasquat10@hotmail.com), October 07, 2003.

Here is the anglican saint link.

click here

Here is the orthodox saint link.

click here

-- - (-@-.-), October 07, 2003.

I would never say Henry loved the church, for if he did, he would not permanantly stay away from the church and even create his own church, for justifying his pervert practices. He acted as the right hand of the devil while doing that, and naturally the consequences would be great.

-- Abraham T (lijothengil@yahoo.com), October 07, 2003.

Jmj

Hi, GT.
I had to smile when I saw this thread. You should know better than to expect a reply only from a certain individual unless you use private e-mail. Anything posted here is fair game for everyone -- and I am not at all upset that others answered you before I could. (I have done the same kind if thing more than once,in the past.)

You asked: "When Henry VIII split with Rome, did the existing church buildings keep their Catholic saint names, or were they all renamed?" There is no debating the fact that many early saints are still honored in Anglicanism, and their names are given to churches and schools. However, I do not know where the "cutoff" is -- i.e., a date after which no one is given the title "Saint" by Anglicans. To my knowledge, there is not a single protestant denomination that canonizes people as "saints" nowadays, the way Catholicism does.

I believe that Scott was mistaken in saying that the Anglicans canonize saints. The people on the list that he linked in are not referred to as saints, but as "Memorable Christians." Indeed, some people listed are fairly recent Catholics (even the martyr St. Thomas More), and one person listed is the 20th-century author Dorothy Sayers.

Scott was right to say that the Eastern Orthodox (schismatic) churches continue to canonize people, referring to them as saints. However, the Catholic Church does not recognize these canonizations as valid -- at least not yet, but may do so after the reunification of the churches some day. If you look at the list Scott linked in, you'll see some 20th-century people, including the last Czar/Tsar (Nicholas), who was ousted in the 1917 Russian revolution.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), October 07, 2003.

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Jmj

Hi, GT.
I had to smile when I saw this thread. You should know better than to expect a reply only from a certain individual unless you use private e-mail. Anything posted here is fair game for everyone -- and I am not at all upset that others answered you before I could. (I have done the same kind if thing more than once,in the past.)

You asked: "When Henry VIII split with Rome, did the existing church buildings keep their Catholic saint names, or were they all renamed?"

To my knowledge, while Henry remained alive, the old names were kept -- because his movement was mainly schismatic, rather than heretical. My impression from preparing saints' threads, however, is that things changed a lot after Henry died, when the Church of England went protestant (under Henry's son and daughter, Edward and Elizabeth). I recall reading of many cases in which saints of the British Isles had their ancient Catholic shrines destroyed.

There is no debating the fact that many early saints are still honored in Anglicanism, and their names are given to churches and schools. However, I do not know where the "cutoff" is -- i.e., a date after which no one is given the title "Saint" by Anglicans. To my knowledge, there is not a single protestant denomination that canonizes people as "saints" nowadays, the way Catholicism does.

I believe that Scott was mistaken in saying that the Anglicans canonize saints. The people on the list that he linked in are not referred to as saints, but as "Memorable Christians." Indeed, some people listed are fairly recent Catholics (even the martyr St. Thomas More), and one person listed is the 20th-century author Dorothy Sayers.

Scott was right to say that the Eastern Orthodox (schismatic) churches continue to canonize people, referring to them as saints. However, the Catholic Church does not recognize these canonizations as valid -- at least not yet, but may do so after the reunification of the churches some day. If you look at the list Scott linked in, you'll see some 20th-century people, including the last Czar/Tsar (Nicholas), who was ousted in the 1917 Russian revolution.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), October 07, 2003.

John, I addressed it as I did because I think you are the "resident expert" on saints here :-) I too am happy others answered.

So, if I read you correctly, if an Anglican Church is named St. So-and-So, I can safely assume that he/she is a Catholic saint?

-- GT (nospam@nospam.com), October 07, 2003.

Oops I didn't mean to inferfere. That's why I began with "I too don't know". I was waiting for the right answer as well.

-- Abraham T (lijothengil@yahoo.com), October 07, 2003.

No problem, Abraham. What you did is not considered "interfering." Keep speaking up whenever you wish!

GT, to the best of my knowledge, that is correct. If you ever come across a questionable name, I think that I would have no trouble determining whether or not it is legitimate for you.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), October 07, 2003.

Thanks J.f. I knew you would say that.

-- Abraham T (lijothengil@yahoo.com), October 08, 2003.