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You call this logic?

Let me try some reason: Suppose a person in a remote area finds a Bible and begins to read. The person believes and is saved. No priest is near him for hundreds of miles.

Uh, the Bible didn't just appear. Some poor sinful monk in his small cell painstakingly transcribed the Gospel, the Scriptures, God's inspirations on that Bible that has found itself on that remote area. Suddenly, the Bible has some miraculous power to exists without man's power to compile it, maintain it, or teach it? Amazing. I am beginning to understand "bibldoltry"--Sola Scriptura. Just, Amazing!

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 27, 2003

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I think that even Martin Luther would frown on such an idea when you consider the issue he had with the Bible, uh with God's Scriptures.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 27, 2003.


rod,

First you make an incorrect assumption, "Suppose a person in a remote area finds a Bible and begins to read. The person believes and is saved." This CANNOT happen, because one is NOT saved by FAITH ONLY.

Second mistake is that one does NOT need a Catholic priest to be saved.

Third, what does this have to do with "Sola Scriptura" as you call it???

The word of God IS able to save, and one does NOT need the Catholic Church to teach someone how to be saved for God has PLAINLY stated in His word ALL that is required for one to do in order to be saved.

If you do not believe that the word of God is all that is needed for one to be saved, then you truly are ignorant of God's word for God said in 2 Tim 3:16-17, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 27, 2003.


Hi Kevin.

The bold faced quote was not my assertion; someone else made that comment.

What I was trying to say has nothing to do with "priests" or "Catholicism" as the "saviours". I was trying to point out that it takes an accumulation of varying factors to bring the Gospel to a man. In this case, it took a history of tradition and transcriptions to bring the Gospel to a book--the Holy Bible. It also takes some resource of understanding--pastors, preachers, ministers, priests,etc. Even the Scriptures tell us to seek out the teachers of the Gospel, but not just anyone. They must be reliable and of high reputation.

I'm not arguing against the Gospel. I'm simply pointing out that the works of important people throughout history have helped provide the Scriptures. Had those people not done their work then what would the Bible contain? I took that quote to mean that the Bible has no human implications. That priest may not be found in a distance proximity, but he is there in evidence of the Bible compilation. Yes, we could argue about the power of absolution, but that issue was not my contention in this post.

Heck! People died over the wording of the Scriptures!

ro

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 27, 2003.


rod,

You wrote, "What I was trying to say has nothing to do with "priests" or "Catholicism" as the "saviours". I was trying to point out that it takes an accumulation of varying factors to bring the Gospel to a man."

Ok, but you used a bad illustration if this were the case.

You wrote, "In this case, it took a history of tradition and transcriptions to bring the Gospel to a book--the Holy Bible. It also takes some resource of understanding--pastors, preachers, ministers, priests,etc. Even the Scriptures tell us to seek out the teachers of the Gospel, but not just anyone. They must be reliable and of high reputation."

It was the apostles that put their writings into circulation, and just because the Catholic Church placed them into one volume does NOT mean that they OWN them now does it???

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 27, 2003.


Kevin, we who believe "own" them. This is what God has given the world. I'm sure that you already knew this. But, the most important gift is the Word--Christ.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 27, 2003.



rod,

You wrote, "we who believe "own" them." Tell that to the Catholic Church!!! They do NOT believe that statement.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 27, 2003.


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