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What does the inscription on the Pope's crown stand for. I have seen some linking the it to the number 666 in Rev. 13. what is the title and wht is the sum in Roman numerals.
I am an original catholic, and any help will be much appreciated.
-- John Wilson (email@example.com), September 23, 2003
The Pope does not wear a crown, and his miter bears no inscription whatsoever. This silly myth has been discussed on the forum more than once. If you go to the categories list (at the bottom of the "new questions" page), and select "Pope, Vatican", you will find those threads, which include all the pertinent information.
-- Paul (PaulCyp@cox.net), September 23, 2003.
The inscription is on one of the Pope's crowns or miters. It says "VICARIVS FILII DEI", which means "Vicor of Son of God". Since in Latin, D=500, C=100, L=50, V=5, and I=1, adding the letters which stand for numbers in the title will add up to 666. The description in the Bible that the beast has "horns of a lamb" suggests that the beast will be of "devine" descendence.
-- Oleg Marty (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 08, 2004.
Yep, you have the propaganda down. Now how about some facts?
As Paul points out the pope does not wear a crown. He wears a bishops hat called a miter.
Vicarius Filii Dei, or "Vicar of the Son of God," is not now, nor has it ever been, a title of the Pope.
The most common title, Vicarius Christi, adds up to 214, not 666. In fact, none of the pope's official titles, such as Servus Servorum Dei (Servant of the Servants of God), Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Pontiff), or Successor Petri (Successor of Peter), add up to 666.
Perhaps you can furnish an example of a papal decree, ecclesiastical letter, conciliar statement, or any other official Catholic document in which the pope calls himself or is referred to as the "Vicar of the Son of God?"
By the way, this is a common Seventh Day Adventist tract. Unfortunately for them, name of the woman who started the Seventh- Day Adventist church, Ellen Gould White, also adds up to 666 in Latin. (L + L + V +D + V + V + I = 666).
I don't think this proves she is the Beast. ... all this is nonsense.
Another wierd thing about this particular lie is why convert D=100, etc. and not use the position of letters in the alphabet like most numerologists do or some other method?
Most of the fiction we prove false on this list, is repeated by certain groups. There is a book available that addresses many of them: Pope Fiction: Answers to 30 Myths and Misconceptions About the Papacy by Patrick Madrid, Basilica Press, San Diego, 1999.
-- Bill Nelson (email@example.com), January 08, 2004.
to be frank, oleg, youve either been had, are a moron, or think we're stupid.
the FALSE title you present is vicarius filii dei. First off, this is NOT a title of the pope, which has been revealed already.
MORE IMPORTANTLY... for your numerology to work you must change the U in vicarius to a V. but anyone who knows about roman numerology knows that U doesnt stand for anything, and is NOT changed to a V for purposes of addition.
FURTHERMORE, vicarius filii dei is not even a gramatically correct phrase. the proper grammatical spelling would be VICARIUS FILIUS DEI. which, even if you change BOTH U's to V's you still dont add up to 666.
ply your ignorance elsewhere, this place is for the educated.
-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), January 13, 2004.
I want an explanation from the man who says that Ellen Gould White adds to 666, as i see it you have counted wrong
-- Roy Doss (firstname.lastname@example.orgž), March 17, 2004.
May be he read it this way:
E L= 50 L= 50 E N
G O U= Latin V = 5 L= 50 D= 500
W Latin V V= 10 H I = 1 T E
50+50+5+50+500+10+1 = 666
-- Enrique Ortiz (email@example.com), March 17, 2004.
according to the logic used by the people who advocate the "vicarius filii dei" myth, the W would be read as V V and the U would count as one V, thus ellen gould white (who first suggested the "vicarius filii dei myth) WOULD read 666.
However, both cases with the W and the U are NOT correct translations to roman numerals.
-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), March 17, 2004.
People, especially Christians, should exercise extreme caution when accusing people of being the Antichrist. The current Pope, when compared to Hitler and countless other rogues, is blameless and a much less likely candidate. Ellen White of the Seventh Day Adventist church is the one who makes this accusation. As far as the prophecies of Ellen White goes, we should definitely take caution. She not only accuses the Roman Catholic Church but all the other churches who are not Seventh Day Adventists as well (Protestants, Reformed Churches). I have read all of her prophecies and one thing is clear: she brings blame against the church. Is not the Church the bride of Christ? As imperfect as She is, will she not be redeemed at His Second Coming? We have to be very wary of false prophets.
This is not to say that an Antichrist will not rise up through the position of the Pope. It is a position that exerts the most influence in the world (religious and political). The Catholic Church has the most far-reaching power than any other government or organization in the world; even more than the supposed secret societies. Why? They are in every country, in every city and its parishioners do what the Pope asks. This is not a prophecy of what will be; it is just merely an observation. It is dangerous to have one 'man' heading up a church with such far-reaching influence. But we do not know how the last days will come to be; one could argue that it will be the New World Order as well. One thing is for certain: when the AntiChrist is in power, Christians will know who it is and there will not be any question.
-- Julie Lynn (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 03, 2005.
Despite your overall moderate words, Julie, with this appeal to Christians for caution when accusing ''people of being the Antichrist,'' it seems you aren't about to ''Pope out'' in your vision of Christian responsibility.
The left- handed compliments to our Holy Father, ''much less likely'' as a possible Anti-Christ-- disparage him severely nonetheless. You go on to suppose that a Pope may yet become such as Adventists claim; because he will ''command'' the largest number of gullible souls.
It's regrettable you can't be fair and unbiased in this point of view. We here have no use for it.
The Vicar of Christ in the world isn't here to make catholics obey him. He may the greatest visible person who leads souls to Christ, but he has no ''position that exerts the most influence in the world (religious and political).''
That's protestant BS. When all is said and done, we appeal to the Holy Spirit, who places the Popes on the chair of Peter. Now, the chair of Peter might mean nothing to you; but it has every blessing of Jesus Christ on it from the first days of the Catholic Church (and no other church). This world isn't the Pope's ''domain''. It's the sea of sin, over which Peter's bark sails.
The Ark prefigured the Bark of Peter, making it the Church's prototype. We live as the blessed people of Christ in His Church and the Pope is Peter's successor by God's grace. (Do you recall how our Pope was shot down in the presence of the faithful; yet escaped death?) Where Peter is, the Church is. No anti-christ will ever occupy Peter's chair, Julie. It's a virtual impossibility since Christ gave him the keys of the kingdom of heaven, against which the gates of hell can never prevail.
And behold, Jesus Himself lives amidst His faithful; He is Emmanuel. We have the holy tabernacle, where His presence makes the Bride herself holy, --Not as you perceive: imperfect.
-- eugene c. chavez (email@example.com), January 03, 2005.
If it were "dangerous" to have one man holding the keys to the Kingdom, God would not have given one man the keys.
His Church is the one institution on earth through which the Antichrist cannot appear. Christ guaranteed that when He said to the Apostle Simon, "I say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". (Matthew 16:18) Obviously His personally appointed Vicar, the visible head of His own Church, being the Antichrist would constitute the ultimate conquest of Satan over Christ's Church, something He said would never happen. Therefore it is not possible.
-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), January 03, 2005.
"The Catholic Church has the most far-reaching power than any other government or organization in the world" This will be amazing news to Mr Bush, who did just what he wanted in Iraq despite the opposition of the Catholic Church and just about everyone else.
"its parishioners do what the Pope asks." IF ONLY IT WERE TRUE!
-- Steve (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 04, 2005.
" VICARIVS FILIVS DEI " There is no "U" in Latin . . .
VI(6) + C(100)+ IV(4) = 110
I(1) + L(50) + IV(4) = 55
D(500) + I(1) = 501
Simple Math: 110 + 55 + 501 = 666
Dave Fitch Florida, USA
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