List of cults who teach one must be baptised to be saved:

Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, United Pentecostals, Churches of Christ... etc.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 13, 2003

Answers

Judge not David, lest ye also be judged. Judge according to the WORD,not what you 'think'. Pentecostals are NOT a cult. If you cose to make such a statement, perhaps validated proof may just be needed to help those to see just where you are coming from.

-- carrie (sezme40@ameritech.net), September 13, 2003.

I did not say all of them were in a cult, just United Oneness Pentecostals.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 13, 2003.

David,

I CHALLENGE you to prove that the church of Christ is a cult.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 14, 2003.

Aren't all religions cults? Why not just drop your addiction and listen to your Self. You are God. Everything you need to know you got inside.

-- Jimmy Dean (jimmied@hotmail.com), September 17, 2003.

Hi Jimmy.

Gnostics, Mormons, and a bunch of other heretics also believe that "we are gods". What I would like to know is this: How do you know that we are gods?

(I do not subscribe to your belief, but I am curious as to who or where you came about this belief of us being gods.)

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 17, 2003.

Yes all religions are cults. Christianity is not a religion, it's a personnal experience.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 17, 2003.

David, giving a heavy label to your "personal experience" is what turns it cultish. Your personal experience is your personal experience. Period. Why give it a name?

Rod, I guess by gods I mean that we're all descendents of the original "gods", those off-planet beings that engineered the human race. Read the ancient texts of the Sumerians (or, rather the translations of them).

It's not such a far-fetched idea as it seems. Most everything from the Bible to the Quran to the Tao To Ching are all variations on ideas written at least a thousand years before each.

Each of our personal experiences would be much more meaningful knowing the true history of the Human. Because it's not so much about what happened in the past but more about what are you and I going to do with our lives right this moment, every moment.

It's pretty clear from my own experience that we each are the "creators" of our own lives, based upon the decisions we make and the attitude we choose to take. In that sense, is what I mean by we are all gods.

--J

-- Jimmy Dean (jimmied@hotmail.com), September 18, 2003.

Hi Jimmy.

I can understand your view of "god" in the sense of humans being responsible for the "creation" of their own endeavors. But, I cannot get a grasp of our existence, our universe, and our thoughts as being our own "creation". How far is our boundary and where does the next boundary begin? Well, those questions are probably too obscure.

Your views, Jimmy, have strong overtones of Gnosticism. The idea that all understanding is based on our own "awakening" or "revelation". As a matter of fact, this gnostic idea is the path to Salvation for this particular philosphy/religion. Do you consider yourself in the same vein of Gnosticism?

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 18, 2003.

Jimmy?

Will you soon be making references to "Thoth" or "Ra"? Eventually, all religions are thought to have their start with the sun worshipping "cults". I suppose the argument could be made that every succeeding religion is an evolution of that sun worshipping cult. And, I'm sure that many implications could be drawn to support the conclusion that every religion stems from the original sun worshipping cult. I think it is all a matter of how well the interpreter can twist and distort the historical facts.

A very interesting (and heretical) book to read is Jesus Last Of The Pharaohs by Ralph Ellis. He makes a very logical and convincing argument for the inferences I've made above. I haven't found anything that refutes his claims, except of course the Bible. But, Ellis claims that the Bible is a historical account of Jesus and his "militant" movement; the reader must understand the code words and phrase of the Bible in order to decipher its true message. Ellis takes a brave or foolish move in making those claims; the Christian and non-Christian can decide for themselves, I guess.

rod..

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 18, 2003.

"Most everything from the Bible to the Quran to the Tao To Ching"

Jimmy, only the bible has stood the test of time. The Bible is the perfect word of God. The Quran is not perfect nor the Tao To Ching.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 18, 2003.

Hi David.

Tonight, the streets in McAllen are flooding as we speak. I hope things aren't to severe at your neck of the Valley.

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 18, 2003.

Hello David, you have said, "...only the bible has stood the test of time. The Bible is the perfect word of God. The Quran is not perfect nor the Tao To Ching."

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 18, 2003.

So based on that belief, what DOES the bible TEACH on baptisms and the importance or neccessities of baptisms?

-- Joseph Mesa (mesaj@fosterfarms.com), November 20, 2003.