What should we learn from these "Aparitions"?

Aparitions of Our Lady (The Virgin Mary)

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 01, 2003

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One must remember that Miracles come from two places, heaven or hell. (God or Satan if you prefer). I doubt a dead person can appear to the living, but I don't doubt a demon appearing to someone. Satanic power is real.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 01, 2003.

Why does the Virgin Mary have the role of making visits to us on earth? This has always puzzled me. I have never seen a vision of the Virgin Mary, so I don't know how I would react to such a visit. I have seen photographs of the image of the Virgin Mary found in the bark of a tree. I couldn't believe my eyes as I made every attempt to dispute what I saw. I still can't erase that image from my mind, but I can't honestly say that it was a visitation. My logical mind gets in the way of my faith in the Virgin Mary being a messenger for God.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 01, 2003.

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Why would the Virgin Mary want us to build churches in her name?

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 01, 2003.

Hi David.

...but the soul is eternal, there are no dead souls.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 01, 2003.

Elijah appeared to Jesus. John saw a vision of heavenly people (Revelations).

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 01, 2003.

Elijah did not die, he was raptured into heaven. Also, Satan (and Demons) can appear and "angels of light".

I have no doubt no "aparitions" are from Satan. We cannot contact the dead and they cannot contact us. (Luke 16, Deut.18:10-12)

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 02, 2003.

David please define "dead" as it applies to the soul. I don't believe that being "dead" has the same meaning that I understand. And, if demons can make "visitations", what is to keep non-demons from visiting?

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 02, 2003.

It is peculiar that you mention about not being able to communicate with the "dead", as you've called it. I read in a Catholic Bible that we should not make any attempts to communicate with the souls that have passed on. I am still wondering about the meaning of that which I've read. I think they were referring to seances (sp?) and Ouiji boards, not intercessions and petitions.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 02, 2003.

rod: Ah! but it is ok to communicate with Abraham? I guess that only certain figures can be accessed while ordinary souls can't? This doesn't make any sense!

David: We cannot contact the dead and they cannot contact us. (Luke 16, Deut.18:10-12)

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 02, 2003.

Hi David.

I stumbled across this:

http://www.bible.ca/su-hades-luke16.htm

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 03, 2003.

Catholics with the lawless one (the pope) as their head, claim that they see signs and miracles all of the time however, this is what the word of God has to say on this subject:

" The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thes 2:9-12).

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 03, 2003.

One has to obey the gospel to be sanctified. We are justified by faith alone.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 03, 2003.

Faith Alone?

So, all of our problem will just go away if Satan relies on "Faith Alone"? Imagine that. If Satan believes in Jesus, as he already does as evidence of the temptations Satan has done, then Satan will be saved. This would leave many non-believers to suffer on their own or assume the role of Satan. Probably one of Satan's demons would have to take over his role.

If it is by "Faith Alone", then why would we have to consider the "Judgement Day". What? "Do you believe in me?" Yes/No. That sounds way to simple. I do believe that "works" play an important part in our Salvation. There is also the matter of "confession" of sins, "repentance" from sin, and living a life of "sanctity"(such a word?).

But, nothing is clear unless God provides His grace on us.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 04, 2003.

David is WRONG. We are NOT justified by faith ALONE, nor are we justified by anything ALONE. David is guilty of ADDING the word ALONE to the word of God.

Here are some of the things we are justified by:

"The doers of the law will be justified;" (Rom 2:13).

"That You may be justified in Your words," (Rom 3:4).

"being justified freely by His grace" (Rom 3:24).

"man is justified by faith" (Rom 3:28).

"having been justified by faith" (Rom 5:1).

"having now been justified by His blood," (Rom 5:9).

"knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified." (Gal 2:16).

"You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 05, 2003.

Well, Kevin. I can surely agree with you there!

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 05, 2003.

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David is having a hard time reconciling his adding of the word ALONE to such things as being justified by faith [alone] and being saved by faith [alone]. David ADDS that one word [alone] into the word of God and it is NOT there but in trying to justify his false doctrine, that is what he continues to hold on to even though he has been PLAINLY shown that this doctrine is NOT taught in the word of God. David, just like Catholics would rather believe the teachings of man above the teachings of God.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 05, 2003.