Name the Reformers.

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How knowledgable are contemporary followers of the Great Reformation in regards to naming the Great Reformers and their doctrines/theologies?

In other words, do you know how you came to believe as you do?

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 31, 2003

Answers

Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli, and some other guy whose name fails me! John Calvin is the godfather of Presbyterianism and predestination. Martin Luther the godfather of Lutheranism . . . duhhh, OF COURSE! He remained Arminian I believe. (The Catholic Church is Arminian.)

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 01, 2003.


Wesley?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 01, 2003.

Wesley was the founder of Methodism which was much later than the Reformation; I think perhaps in the 1700-1800's. He was Anglican but broke away from the Anglican Church. Wesleyan's today do not hold to ALL of Wesley's teachings, but HAVE held to the "entire sanctification" theology that he popularized. The Church of the Nazarene is identical in doctrine to the Wesleyans and almost merged, except that some personal "power" issues arose.

Gail (the Gal)

P.S. I am just a wealth of useless information!!

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 01, 2003.


I consider Henry VIII to have had a role in Protestantism. He went as far as declaring himself the authority of the Christian religion and had the Bible edited for his agenda (it is believed). Cromwell played a part in some of these doings.

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), August 01, 2003.


Well, that is true, Rod. Henry wanted to marry his mistress, but the Church said "Uhhh, we don't think so!" So Henry decides to heck with them, he'll just start his own church, of which HE will rule. Henceforth, that is precisely what he did. That church, of course, is the Anglican Church, the Church of England, and now known as Episcopalian (at least here in the U.S.)

Gail (the Gal)

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 01, 2003.



Yes. There is an Episcopalian Church two blocks from my house. It is a pretty looking church, very inviting. I was having a desire to start attending there, until.....

I did a little research and was rather shocked to discover what I did. And, now that the Episcopalian Church is making the news headlines I'm having big doubts believing that their doctrine conforms to God's Will. I view this church as more of a political institution.

Are you familiar with one of their bishops? Bishop Barbara Harris. She was their first female, African-American woman bishop.

The Episcopalian Church does not require seminary schooling or college degree for ordination. I'm not sure if this lack of pre-requisite still applies.

I read somewhere that the Church of Scotland (Episcopalian in America) has an authoritative board or panel of "Elders" that decide doctrine or dogma for the church. I believe that the Presbyterians have something similar. I'm not exactly sure.

rod..

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), August 01, 2003.


Gail, you mentioned the Methodist Church. I do know that I like at least one element of their church service. They, at one time, used the Revised Standard Version of the Holy Bible . I don't know which version is used today in their services. I've searched around for the RSV in a Catholic version, without having to spend big bucks for it.

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), August 01, 2003.


Bishop Barbara Harris. She was their first female, African-American woman bishop.

I mention this because of its historical significance, for all of us history buffs out there.

Bishop Barbara Harris participated in the Martin Luthern King Jr. Selma March. She was ordained in 1980 and consecrated on Feb. 12, 1989 as Bishop. Her message is in helping those forgot by societies injustice (my paraphrase). She pretty much is a metaphor of the Episcolalian ideology, as we can observe through the news coverage.

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), August 01, 2003.


I think, unfortunately, the Anglican Church is falling into disarray largely because they have allowed liberals to the "rule the roost." Conservatives are being outnumbered and outvoted! My heart goes out to them, because there are many good people watching their church cave to homosexuality and abortion.

I like the Wesleyan church very much because of their emphasis on holiness. I think the Methodist church is being wracked by liberalism as well. I hope I'm wrong on that. I know some very good, God-loving Methodists. It is very hard to stand up to the modern voices of our times. BUT STAND WE MUST! All God-loving, God- fearing peoples, who have the guts, need to stand up for the unborn and stand against the forces of darkness tearing our families apart.

That's why it grieves me so that Christians cannot overlook their theologic differences and "band-together," because United We Stand and Divided We Fall!

Amen!

Gail

P.S. The recent, very vocal statement of the Vatican against homosexual marriages is going to stir up the hounds of hell against, not just Catholics, but all Bible-believing Christians!!

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 01, 2003.


I don't like Bush as a President, but I think he's doing something good trying to make Homosexual marriages un-constitutional.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 01, 2003.


"The Catholic Church is Arminian."

Calvinists like to say this, because it makes it look like they are "more reformed" than other denominations. However, it's not so clear.

Here is a Catholic argument for TULIP. There is an opposing Catholic view which is closer to Arminianism.

-- __ (__@__.__), August 01, 2003.


Thanks for pulling up that thread. I read that last year or so. James Akin is a terrific Catholic apologist.

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 02, 2003.


>Martin Luther the godfather of Lutheranism . . . duhhh, OF COURSE! He remained Arminian I believe. <

No, he was not Arminian in doctrine. He was inbetween and didn't try to solve mysteries of God with human logic. He accepted that God predestines some individuals to come to faith, but wouldn't go so far as to say God predetermines others to reject faith.

-- Max Darity (arrowtouch@yahoo.com), June 26, 2004.


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