Question is quite self explanitory

-- Andrew Swampillai (andyhbk96@hotmail.com), May 05, 2003

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Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charasmatics against the Catholic Church

Are you asking about charismatic Catholics? Or Pentecostal non-Catholic churches?

From my rather extensive experience with Catholic charismatic communities, I find them to number among the most orthodox, devout, and genuinely traditional (not pseudo-traditional schismatic) Catholics I have known. In parishes (like mine) which incorporate the charismatic aspects of Catholic spirituality, you typically find high attendance at daily Mass, perpetual Eucharistic adoration, first friday devotions, Benediction of the Most Blessed Sacrament, devotion to Our Lady, frequent communal use of the rosary, and obedience to the Magisterium of the Church.

-- Paul (PaulCyp@cox.net), May 05, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charasmatics against the Catholic Church

Andrew,

As someone who has lived the past 20 years in Pentecostal/Charismatic circles (not Catholic Charismatic), let me answer with the old tried and true, "it depends" :-)

There are many Pentecostal/Charismatic, such as myself, who came from Catholicism or have had joint worship experiences with Charismatic Catholics who view Catholics as brothers in the Lord. One church I attended for 10 years had 3,000 regular attendees, of which approx 80% came from the Catholic Church and remained close to Catholicism in their hearts. Today, there are many Pentecostal/Charismatic conferences that are well-attended by Catholics, even clergy. This has had a tremendously positive impact on bridging the gaps and allowing many of us to view each other as brothers and sisters in the Lord - that's what happens when you worship together, God knits you together as a family.

On the other hand, I don't want to paint too rosey a picture for you. Pentecostal/Charismatic circles are pretty diverse and numerous, and there are many anti-Catholics among them. There are probably more in this camp than not, especially those that came from more fundamentalist backgrounds like Baptists. They've been taught anti-Catholic rhetoric for all their lives and just continued it when they got became Pentecostal/Charismatic. Many of these folks tend to believe that they need to evangelize Catholics because they believe they aren't saved.

Hope that helps.

Dave

-- non-Catholic Christian (dlbowerman@yahoo.com), May 05, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charasmatics against the Catholic Church

:-)

Dear Shane,

Pentecostals are Protestant sects which place a strong emphasis on the guidance of the Holy Spirit, including observable manifestations of the Holy Spirit called "charisms", or "gifts of the Holy Spirit". Within the Catholic Church there are numerous groups who likewise accept and practice these "charismatic" aspects of spirituality, but within the context of Catholic doctrinal truth which is lacking in Protestant Pentecostal denominations. "Pentecostal" refers to the day of "Pentecost" when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles, empowering them to live the Christian life more fully and effectively.

-- Paul (PaulCyp@cox.net), May 05, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charasmatics against the Catholic Church

Dave is precisely right, as is Paul. Many many charismatics are much much more open to unity and dialogue with Catholics. Some however, still are bigoted and biased. I'll give you an example: Within the last six months I have run into 3 parishioners from a Word of Faith Charismatic Church I attended for many years. They were thrilled that I am attending a Catholic Church and participating in the leading of worship there! My best friend, however, from the same church has decided that "she can no longer associated with me," and just notified me of that.

So, as Dave said, "it depends."

Love,

Gail

-- (rothfarms@socket.net), May 05, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charasmatics against the Catholic Church

January 1, 1901 at a revival at Bethel Bible College in Topeka, Kansas was the beginning of the current Pentecostal movement. It all started as an organized denomination with the "speaking in tongues" by some students involved in Bible studies.

W.J. Seymour can be given credit for the Pentecostal explosion in 1906. He had an old two-story frame building at 312 Azusa Street in Los Angeles, California; church is open.

(Bible Doctrines: A Pentecostal Perspective by William W. Menzies and Stanley M. Horton, 1998.)

I also understand that there was a major split from the original doctrine. No. not from the "Day of Pentecost", but from the Seymour beginnings. I think that it was no longer necessary to prove the Holy Spirit was within in order to prove God's grace. You didn't have to speak in tongues.

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.come), May 05, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charismatics against the Catholic Church

Consider the case of
"Pastor Trimelda C. McDaniels (christcharismatic@cfaith.com), May 05, 2003"
posting on this thread.
Consider the case of the anti-Catholic preacher, Jimmy Swaggart, formerly (?) of the (Pentecostal) Assemblies of God denomination.
(These are not big fans of Catholicism.)

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), May 06, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charismatics against the Catholic Church

Dave writes: ...that's what happens when you worship together, God knits you together as a family. ...

AMEN!!!

-- john placette (jplacette@catholic.org), May 06, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charismatics against the Catholic Church

Shane good to see youre still around! If you still cant picture pentecostal type celebration think of them as the RAVERS of the christian world. THEY LIKE TO PARTY!

Basically they get all excited and act like theyre on E, but without the glowsticks cause their drug is The Holy Spirit. I shouldnt be flippiant as the Holy Spirit can speak through people.

Im just dubious about its presence in some indoor stadium with a smooth talking ex second hand car salesmen "preacher" supposedly healing folks as the donations roll in to the 0900 number. Call me a cynic . So the next time youre at a party and people start dropping like flies and convulsing on the floor youll know either the drugs were nasty or youve had the misfortune to have stumbled upon a pentelcostal knees up.

Ive grown out of the first type of party and the second appeals even less to me.

Take it easy

-- Kiwi (csisherwood@hotmail.com), May 06, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charismatics against the Catholic Church

Careful there, Kiwi.

Matthew was a tax collector loathed by many.

rod. .

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 06, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charismatics against the Catholic Church

Kiwi,

Has Darlene Zschech from Hillsong in Australia made to New Zealand to lead worship conferences yet. That's one conference I'd love to be a part of. Now that would be just as you describe, the primary difference is no "smooth talking ex second hand car salesmen "preacher" " just a whole lotta people loving the Lord :-)

Dave

-- non-Catholic Christian (dlbowerman@yahoo.com), May 06, 2003.

Response to Are Pentecoastals/Charismatics against the Catholic Church

Hi Dave

Yes jokes of course. Plenty of evangleist Catholics get the jello knee syndrome going as well. Its just not my scene at all and I cant relate to it. Maybe I should go and visit a pentecostal church service before I mock it.

I dont know much about Pentecostals and what they really belive. I do know they dont belive all they need to believe and I do know they they hold only part of the full truth as defined by Christs one holy and apolostlic church.

Ill keep an eye out for Darlene Zschech. Thanks.

-- Kiwi (csisherwood@hotmail.com), May 06, 2003.

It depends on whether or not the Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian has been raised with Anti-Catholic teaching, or not.

I was raised Foursquare Pentecostal, and my parents never taught anything that was anti-Catholic, or anti "ANY" Christian for that matter. My parents always said that if a person fulfills the scriptural requirements for "being saved" and truly tries to follow Christ, that it's good enough for them and the difference in "this" custom or "that" custom doesn't really matter.

We all know people who follow their faith devoutly and truly love God, and those who profess a certain "label" but don't really live their faith and don't care. Let's be honest...this is true in ALL religions.

Therefore, anti-Catholicism...just like any other predjudice...has to be learned and nurtured. Some people get over it and some never do.

BTW, I was raised a Charismatic Pentecostal but converted to Catholicism. Go figure, huh?

-- Victoria (tecdork99@pvfnet.com), May 19, 2003.

Hi everyone. I recently re-met a woman that I knew when I was 11 years old. I didn't know that she was Pentecostal when I was a kid. I am Catholic and basically when I was a kid, I was too innocent to know any religious differences in all people. Anyway, I began dating her son, which is when I found out that she was pentecostal. As time went on he converted to Catholicism and he now loves it deeply. She on the other hand obviously had another opinion. One day she went into his room and took every Catholic gift that he had received after his baptism and broke everything. I was so saddened. I saw everything twisted and torn and cracked and broken in a garbage can in their garage. I then started to realize that she actually had horrible things to say about anyone who was not Pentecostal. Now that I think about it, in High School I dated a guy that was actually attending a guys Catholic school. When he invited me over, his father told me to stay out on the porch and that I was not to come in. Oh my! I just remembered that right now. I had forgotten that they were Pentecostal. Hmmm. Now this makes me think about this question in a whole different way. What I do feel is that when we practice deep spirituality in any Christian Charismatic form, that we are also very vulnerable to negative spirits. I am a Charasmatic Catholic and ever since I started attending my prayer meetings, I've noticed that I'm more sensitive to energies around us. If we aren't careful and very firmly in Love with Jesus, things can go wrong. Evil loves to get a hold of us in our most vulnerable states. I have never spoken in tongues, but it's o.k. I have received other gifts of the spirit. Everything in God's time.

-- Rose (r.diaz@charter.net), November 25, 2004.