In this morning's reading of my bible Tobit 2, 1: if speaks of the Feast of Weeks which lead up to the Jewish Pentecost.

Ques: How much of the Jewish tradition(s) have we retained in the Catholic Church?

-- jean bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.net), April 15, 2003

Answers

Jmj

Jean,
The rest of us here are "gentiles."
You are a former Jew who became a Catholic (at least nominally).
I would think that you are in a better position to answer your own question than we are to answer it for you. N'est-ce pas?

JFG

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), April 15, 2003.

N'est-ce pas?

Oui!

-- jake (jake1REMOVE@pngusa.net), April 15, 2003.

I think this is an interesting question. Morally and ethically the the two faiths have much in common. "Judeao-Christian"... If you're talking traditions and symbolism, it would seem that at least some of what the early Jewish Christians did would have been retained and thus would have effected the development of our Church. Can any of the vestiges be identified? Jim

-- Jim Furst (furst@flash.net), April 15, 2003.

John G - You are a self-righteous little ass. Perhaps in time you also will be kissed off the forum. BTW I was baptized when four days old. Raised by Jews due to post war happenings. You know so very little of real life.

-- jean bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.net), April 15, 2003.

answer:

we dont keep a whole lot of the Jewish Tradition around, although some of it is there. Catholicism is a distinct evolution of the old covenent. like any other evolution it is a completely different thing from its ancestor. As catholics we celebrate a few of the same traditions but we are not to celebrate such things as seder meals, hanakuh, etc, that are outside of our tradition, although attending such events by jewish faiths is okay.

-- paul (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), April 17, 2003.

Jmj

Mr. Bouchard,
I'm glad that you are cleaning up your act. The last time you decided to insult me, it was with obscene language via private e-mail.

Though I'm not "self-righteous," I don't mind being called a "little ass," rather than a "big jackass" like someone I know [take a hint].

You are now giving us a brand-new story about your Jewish past. Formerly you described yourself as though you were a convert. However, it doesn't matter, because what I said is still true. With your background, you must be in a better position than the rest of us (who have always practiced only Catholicism) to answer your own question.

God bless you.
John
PS: If there is anyone who needs to be "kissed off the forum," it is not me, but heretics and unrepentant adulterers [take a second hint].

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), April 18, 2003.

With Easter just around the corner, actually it's past midnight now, this sort of drivel isn't what I thought I'd find on the site. It seems rather sad somehow. Neither one of you would be judging the other by any chance, would you? We all know what Jesus said about that, don't we? Happy Easter! Ellen

-- Ellen K. Hornby (dkh@canada.com), April 20, 2003.

Ellen - How very real you are on this forum. Sadly I shall be leaving once again as I have reached my toxic level. With some members returning with their self-appointed Bishop's office. I truly do not want to experience the holier-then-thou rhetoric all over again.

The site lacks compassion.

Have found an open minded Christian forum who has member actually courteous and knowledgeable. God Bless you Ellen.

-- jean bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.net), April 20, 2003.

Thanks for going, Jean. Please make it permanent this time, unlike all the other times you left in a huff.

Translations ...
As written: "Sadly I shall be leaving once again ..."
As meant: "I am sad that I still can't get away with my act here. I have tried about ten times, and I'll have to try again some day."

As written: "... I have reached my toxic level."
As meant: "The guilt I feel for my sins is more than I can take, so I will escape."

As written: "The site lacks compassion."
As meant: "Orthodox Catholics don't believe in 'false compassion.' They tell it like it is, and I can't deal with that."

May the peace of a good "general Confession" be yours.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), April 21, 2003.

I have learned quite a lot about my faith since I started looking in on this forum and have found it valuable thus far. I think everyone tries to give good advice and impart correct knowlege. With that being said, I think its a shame to lose anyone that contributes with good intentions. It seems it should be possible to disagree without disliking those we disagree with. I find the arguments among the knowlegeable forum participants often bring up issues I'd never thought about, and end up yielding good information. I'm hoping the personal animosities that crop up here and there don't make anyone else leave or feel unwelcome.

-- Jim Furst (furst@flash.net), April 21, 2003.

Jean Bouchard, there is a prophecy in Zechariah 14:15-16 which is about observing the Feast of Tabernacles. Only a few Churches observe it like the Worldwide Church of God and other Holy name churches like the assemblies of Yahweh.

The Roman catholic Church observes only Passover (without the 7 days of unleavened bread), Pentecost (without the wheat).

To me, Jesus was born during Yom Kippur (the day of Atonement) and Sukkot (tents or tabernacles). It was one of 3 feasts Jews had to attend. That is why there was no room in the inn for Mary and Joseph. It had nothing to do with the Census.

Christmas in December should be replace by Hannukkah.That way we still have the lights at the end of the year.

But I am not the Pope or a cardinal or bishop.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonzalez@srla.org), April 21, 2003.

Jmj
Hello, Jim F.

I tend to agree with you, generally speaking. However, an occasional ne'er-do-well comes to the forum who simply cannot be tolerated. Jean (i.e., "John" [French Canadian]) Bouchard is such a person. He has been a divisive and obnoxious force here since even before I came in January of 2000.

I wish that I could reproduce for you all the messages that he has ever posted. You would see that he just pretends to be Catholic, but is actually a heretic, disbelieving some of the Church's teachings on faith and morality. He openly admits to be living in adultery, often bashes the popes and the Vatican, and frequently advises Catholics to doubt or reject some of our doctrines.

Even most of the most tolerant "regulars" at the forum have made the strongest imaginable corrections/criticisms of this evil-doer. Jim, you are much, much better off to be free of his comments. In the unlikely event that he had something of value to share with you, you can feel confident that a decent person here will present it to you instead.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), April 22, 2003.

Dear Jim:
I regrettably second what Mr. Gecik just told you about Jean. My own reaction is to welcome Jean, not reject him. He needs this forum to help him in temptation. All in all, he's usually cordial. But he has, in past threads been extremely radical and anti-clerical. He is a complex man; and very much infected with liberalism. I have to admit he is likeable in many ways. But. . . (To Jean Bouchard: Please come back in, Mon Ami. All is forgiven; and I know you meant no harm in your title question. Gecik's threshhold is high after a long Holy Week. You know he's all right. No reason to over- react. )

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), April 22, 2003.