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Could you please tell me the name of the two thieves crusified on the right and left side along with Jesus. Why their names are not mentioned in the four Gospels
-- A.F.SALDANHA (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 13, 2003
tell me, does it really matter? i think that was one of the moments where the lesson we are supposed to learn doesnt need names included... otherwise one might ask why they didnt name everysingle pharasee who was on the trial of Jesus. The lesson is what is important, not the name
-- paul (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), April 13, 2003.
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-- jake (email@example.com), April 13, 2003.
The scriptures do not reveal the names of the two criminals crucified with Jesus. Tradition has their names as Dismas (the "good thief"), and Gestas (the one who rejected Jesus).
-- Paul (PaulCyp@cox.net), April 13, 2003.
All I know, Saldanha, is that in Greek, Demas = people. Also, he is one of the enemies of Paul at Ephesus. Somehow his name was attached to this thief. Gestas souds like justus = Just.
There are many things the Bible doesn't show or tell us.
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 14, 2003.
Demas & Gestas
-- J.A.ANDRES (email@example.com), September 01, 2003.
I would like to know where this "Tradition" can be studied or where it came from! Where did the 2 names come from?
-- Mark (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 28, 2004.
The names come from the Gospel of Necodemus also known as the Acta Pilati
CHAP. 10.--And when Jesus was scourged, he delivered Him to the Jews to be crucified, and two robbers with Him; one by name Dismas, and the other by name Gestas. And when they came to the place, they stripped Him of His garments, and girt Him about with a linen cloth, and put a crown of thorns upon His head. Likewise also they hanged the two robbers with Him, Dismas on the right and Gestas on the left. And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And the soldiers parted His garments among them. And the people stood waiting; and their chief priests and judges mocked Him, saying among themselves: He saved others, now let him save himself; if he is the Son of God, let him come down from the cross. And the soldiers mocked Him, falling prostrate before Him, and offering vinegar with gall, and saying: If thou art the King of the Jews, set thyself free.
From the old Catholic Encyclopedia:
This work does not assume to have written by Pilate, but to have been derived from the official acts preserved in the praetorium at Jerusalem. The alleged Hebrew original is attributed to Nicodemus. The title "Gospel of Nicodemus" is of medieval origin. The apocryphon gained wide credit in the Middle Ages, and has considerably affected the legends of our Saviour's Passion. Its popularity is attested by the number of languages in which it exists, each of these being represented by two or more recensions. We possess a text in Greek, the original language; a Coptic, an Armenian and a Latin, besides modern translations. The Latin versions were naturally its most current form and were printed several times in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. One class of the Latin manuscripts contain as an appendix or continuation, the "Cura Sanitatis Tiberii", the oldest form of the Veronica legend.
-- Bill Nelson (email@example.com), February 28, 2004.
Without addressing this topic exactly and therefore without resolving the question, but nevertheless interesting:
All that is known of Dismas is that he is the Good Thief crucified with Christ on Calvary. The other thief is known as Gestas. A completely unsubstantiated myth from the Arabic Gospel of the Infancy that enjoyed great popularity in the West during the Middle Ages had two thieves who held up the Holy Family on the way to Egypt. Dismas bought off Gestas with forty drachmas to leave them unmolested, whereupon the Infant predicted that they would be crucified with Him in Jerusalem, and that Dismas would accompany Him to Paradise. His feast day is March 25th.
-- Enrique Ortiz (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 29, 2004.