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Violence in schools-how we should respond to this issue as Catholics?

-- Shania (cuteshania@hotmail.com), April 10, 2003

Answers

I think as Catholics we should be stand together and be against violence in schools. We should definitely not support it.

-- John Q (obvious@hotmail.com), April 10, 2003.

i think to say that we should not support violence in school is a rather pointless response. thats like saying you shouldnt throw your mother off a cliff (while shes still alive of course). The answer is this: Pray and LIVE THE FAITH OF CATHOLICS. first, pray for peace and understanding among people. I will not deny that those who bring guns into their schools are WRONG... but that wrongness comes from a dillusion of two factors: Societal abuse and poor parenting. The world suffers a major symtom that parents fail to raise their children. as a direct result of the extensive use of drugs and such in the sixties and beyond, parents today have little understanding of how to properly raise children. as such, we should understand the plight of others and that they have not necessarily been subject to proper parenting. The problem lies not within the presentation of violence in the media, although that my play a minor role, but with the evident destruction of the family unit occuring in the latter half of the twentyfirst century. The second half of what we can do is to live our Catholic faith. There is a massive influx of the idea that we only need true faith to be saved and go to heaven. proper reflection on various books of the Bible, show that Paul never meant anything of the sort. Instead we must have faith, which saves us, and then we must fulfill our faith by living the lives of proper followers of God. What i see all the time is catholics(lower case c because they fail to concern themselves with understanding their faith) spurning people because of relatively minor differences. If the Catholic church cant even see past differences to understand and love one another, as God commands us to do, then how can we have any hope that mankind will not react violently to negative social sanctions? we cant, so it falls to us, as believers, to see beyond what the world deems to be popular and to instead love our neighbors in a way that brings us closer to God. only by doing this can we hope to prevent violence

-- paul (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), April 10, 2003.

Paul,

I still think we should be against it.

And as pointless as this and my last response was, at least it made sense. In your infinite wisdom did it ever occur to you that the "pointless" post was an attempt at sarcasm? Maybe an attempt to be funny?

So Paul, which is worse... the person who doesn't make a point when one was never intended to be made, or the person who rambles on and on and fails to address the question or to even make a clear point? I'll let you decide.

As far as violence in schools goes, I think it is way over publisized. I think for the most part we live in a place where we are very lucky to send our children to such safe an positive schools. Certainly there are exceptions to this, but I believe that in light of some of the major events that have happened in the past students and teachers are working together to prevent these types of things from happening in the future.

As far as where there is aproblem, I don't see how the Catholic church can do anything specific to help solve it. It's more of a community based problem that would require all denominations working together.

What I think we should not do is blame TV or movies or video games... I do believe that these problems start at home many times and parents need to be held accountable. I think as a society we are too quick to lay blame on teachers and schools. It has almost become vogue to say that your child has a "disorder" or is "labeled." ADHD, Emotionally impared, Oppositional Defiant Disorder... While I do believe that there are children that truly have these problems, I think many parents use these labels as crutches to reassure themselves that they are just not doing a good job being a parent.

Isn't it funny how you have to have a license to drive a car, but any idiot can have a child?

-- John Q. (obvious@hotmail.com), April 10, 2003.


Oh, and by the way Paul, pushing your mother off a cliff would be a bad idea even if she were dead.

-- John Q. (Curious@hotmail.com), April 10, 2003.

Thank you John. We agree because we are catholics, aren't we?

-- Andrea Lobster (AndreaL3@hotmail.com), April 10, 2003.


I still think we should be against it.

youre kidding right? nobody said they were for violence in schools...

And as pointless as this and my last response was, at least it made sense. In your infinite wisdom did it ever occur to you that the "pointless" post was an attempt at sarcasm? Maybe an attempt to be funny? why would you make such a stupid and pointless joke about a serious question that someone asked? as someone who claims to be catholic, do you ACTUALLY respect life, or do you typically laugh and tell jokes about kids bringing guns to school and killing each other?

So Paul, which is worse... the person who doesn't make a point when one was never intended to be made, or the person who rambles on and on and fails to address the question or to even make a clear point? I'll let you decide. First, I'll tell you plainly that those who merely speak to no end are fools. Second, i made a very clear point, in fact i made two: parents are failing their obligation to their children to be responsible guiding figures, AND catholics and christians nationwide are failing at their command to love their neighbors.

As far as violence in schools goes, I think it is way over publisized. I think for the most part we live in a place where we are very lucky to send our children to such safe an positive schools. are you deft or have you not gone to high school in the last ten years? my high school suffered over fourteen bomb threats in one year, and as if that werent enough, we had a student call in and say they had a gun and were going on a killing spree. that one was so bad we had to file out of the school single file room by room as police stood watch and a SWAT Sniper was on the roof... but thats only a city school right? WRONG!!! i grew up in white upper middle class suburbia, and my school suffered this stuff all the time, i feel strongly for students of innercity schools where people bring guns and shoot each other all the time... over publicized? a student gets shot in school once a week, but you only hear about the ones in suburbia... Why? because no one is surprised by gang violence. if you think that violence in schools is overpublicised, then youre an ignorant idiot who has no idea of what the current US school system is like.

Certainly there are exceptions to this, but I believe that in light of some of the major events that have happened in the past students and teachers are working together to prevent these types of things from happening in the future. actually, youre wrong here too. as i said above, violence in schools is even more widespread than your media driven intelligence thinks. but if it helps, a study in southern california wherein a sample student made known to fellow students that they planned to shoot up their school yielded 5 percent of students who would actually report their friend ahead of time... but man oh man are we going a long way to fix the problem, i mean, wow... five percent working to prevent this, thats HUGE... er, maybe not. genius.

As far as where there is aproblem, I don't see how the Catholic church can do anything specific to help solve it. It's more of a community based problem that would require all denominations working together. oh, this is the best piece of logic ive seen yet, we catholics arent responsible, so lets wait around for the protestants to do something first... are you sure youre a true catholic? last time i checked true catholics were those that loved their neighbor, commited acts of charity, and put into ACTION the teachings of Christ. read up, often times it only takes the friendship of one person to stop these types of acts. how much greater would this be if the church were to work together to promote understanding and loving of ones neighbor

What I think we should not do is blame TV or movies or video games... I do believe that these problems start at home many times and parents need to be held accountable. actually, i dont blame tv or movies or videos, if you actually read what i typed, you'd know that this was my first point.

I think as a society we are too quick to lay blame on teachers and schools. It has almost become vogue to say that your child has a "disorder" or is "labeled." ADHD, Emotionally impared, Oppositional Defiant Disorder... While I do believe that there are children that truly have these problems, I think many parents use these labels as crutches to reassure themselves that they are just not doing a good job being a parent. no kidding, isnt that what i just said in my writing? let me ask you, which is worse, the person who writes alot, or the arrogant ignoramous that reads it, doesnt understand it, and then types the same thing over again?

Isn't it funny how you have to have a license to drive a car, but any idiot can have a child? actually, i have no problem with that statement, even if it doesnt relate to the topic at all.

Oh, and by the way Paul, pushing your mother off a cliff would be a bad idea even if she were dead. I never said it would be a good idea to push your dead mother off a cliff, i merely stated that it would be a bad idea to murder your mother... so for one so obviously as intelligent as you, were you reading too quickly to catch that logical inference, or are you trying to be humorous again?

-- John Q. (Curious@hotmail.com), April 10, 2003.

-- paul (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), April 12, 2003.


wow, okay, one of my html tags was wrong... whats at the end in italics is half mine and half boy prodigy john q's... it should be pretty obvious though, if not just look at his earlier post

-- paul (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), April 12, 2003.



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