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I'm researching the history of a coach car, SAL 245. Here's what I know so far It was built by Pullman Standard in 1946 for the Seaboard as a 54 seat chair car, number 245. It served on the East coast trains such as The Silver Meteor between New York and Miami. It was purchased by Amtrak in 1971, and assigned the number 5467. It was used mostly East of the Mississippi River on several trains, in particular, the Floridian that ran through Nashville. It was retired in 1975 (1979?) and sold to a private owner. The former Broadway Dinner Train (Nashville, TN) acquired the car in May, 1987, and brought it to Nashville from Bellevue, Ohio. After 18 months of refurbishing, it was given the original number, 245, and put in service December 2, 1988 Any other information relative to this car would be appreciated. Thanks, John
-- John Stoecker (email@example.com), November 17, 2002
To everyone who has responsed: thank you!
I've built a webpage for this car. The page is at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jstoecker/southwind.htm
A fellow TCRM museum member generously loaned his PS #7 book to me, so I have now had access to that info.
Any other history (additional info or corrections) or photos of it or its sister cars would be appreciated.
-- John Stoecker (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 01, 2003.
A good source of information would be author Dave Randall's Pullman- Standard Library Vol 7-Southeastern Roads. He has the various builder plan and lot numbers, as well as builder photographs and car plans. The car itself did not carry any builders numbers. The builder plate usually had patent information on it and really has no bearing on the date the car was built. If you are interested in copies of the information from the Randall book, contact me and I can make copies for you.
AS for the previous history, this car was used on the Atlantic Coast Line's passenger trains. It would have run on the principal trains of the ACL. Rather than going into the history here, I suggest that you purchase a copy of Larry Goolsby's book on ACL passenger service- available on this web site. This should give you all of the information necessary.
-- Michael W. Savchak (Savchak@mnr.org), November 18, 2002.
John, Amtrak 5467 ex SCL 5467 ex ACL 245 54 seat coach Pullman Standard 1949-50
-- Gary Riccio (email@example.com), November 17, 2002.
I'm going on what information I have been provided; the reason for posting the question is to elicit such response as yours [grin] to either validate or correct what info I have.
I do have pretty positive confirmation about it being Amtrak 5467 (I have found some Amtrak 5467 maintenance and inspection paperwork inside the car, dated 11/79). It definitely is a PS car; the newest patent date listed on the patent plate is 1944. Is there someplace on the car I could look to find a builder's serial or lot number or some such, which would more positively identify the car's origin?
-- John Stoecker (firstname.lastname@example.org), November 17, 2002.
The SAL did not own any 54 seat cars built by P-S,they did not own any P-S cars built in 1946, and they did not own had any lightweight cars with three digit number - all cars had four digit numbers. They bought some 52 seat cars built by P-S from C&O built in 1950. On the other hand, the Atlantic Coast Line did have some P-S 54 seat cars built in 1949 and numbered with three digits.
-- Joseph Oates (email@example.com), November 17, 2002.