Kiwi - and others - C.S. Lewis previous threadgreenspun.com : LUSENET : Catholic : One Thread |
Once again I must leave this forum as it's base is a fraud for those atempting to learn about Jesus Christ's message of love. The reply this morning by John G. showing the attitude of a denial so deep it is beyond reason. Medications suggested for that forum member indeed.This cancer of pedophilia has now hit our town of less then 20K. Our native adults have brought out the allegations stemming from the 50's - 70's which I believe. It took by the way over 8 years of First Stage Discovery to bring this to light.
This is a very very dangerous forum indeed. Do keep children and those easily influenced away from the likes of men who sit and pontificate here avoiding everyday reality. Souls are not at risk here but the minds of children and developing ones are very much so.
Once again so long until next year or so.
-- jean bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.net), October 28, 2002
Didn't you leave a "big farewell speech" about five months ago? How can we ever take you serious?Your problem is Jean, that you can't accept the true teachings of the holy Catholic Church. Part of you wants to hang onto your old Jewish beliefs! But you must let go and become a true Catholic. Pray for stronger faith, and change your medications, bnecause they are not working.
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-- - (--@-.56.com), October 28, 2002.
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-- Jerry Lee Lewis (greatballs@fire.org), October 28, 2002.
it is not Christ like to abuse children. he said it would be better than a stone would be hung around their neck and tossed into the sea. You are a tad overcritical. He needs to come to his own paradigm shift. we need to stop abortion, and this sort of thing causes hinderances. Christ was Jewish as was His entire family. We need to avoid another Holocaust.
-- hs (logansrun74@hotmail.com), October 28, 2002.
Hey Jean, Maybe John has something there. 8 years was quick time relative to the runaround the victims in my parish endured at the hands of the Cardinals and Bishops musical chairs games that they played.
-- Chris Coose (ccoose@maine.rr.com), October 28, 2002.
Coose is motivated by anger. Bouchard arouses anger and then runs away.I wish they would suggest some constructive approach to pedophilia in or out of the Church. Some other way than bashing the clergy without mercy. If either Coose or Bouchard had the least charity, they'd see that only some priests have fallen into grave sin, and not all bishops covered up; some were deceived into following improper procedures. The vast majority of priets are blameless yet suffer for the sins of the few. Many holy men give their lives for the Church, but as bishops they have to be branded collaborators and victimizers of children.
I have to wonder what in truth Bishop Coose and Bishop Bouchard would have done if they'd been faced with the same problems? I think Coose would have resigned and let others do the hard part. Bouchard as bishop certainly wouldn't have prayed to God for help and guidance; he doesn't believe in God's grace.
They are both the consummate armchair quarterbacks; quick to pronounce judgment on the whole sport. Because talking and trashing is a sport to them. God's people are neither holy nor forgiving; they are just players. Holiness in a priest? Now, now. Chavez; we aren't in Spain!
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And, pedophiles aren't all in the Church. Or, young altar boys were not the only victims. The Church is victim too. But Jean and Chris are sophisticated men. They only believe in Karma; and you don't love a neighbor, you point the finger at him. What is this about a Holy Church? Hell with the Catholic Church!
-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), October 28, 2002.
Great hatchet job Chavez.Taking the trash road that jake described in the "Retreat" thread.
You have mastered the technique.
BTW, you have me all wrong. I'm not angry. I'm vindicated, but certainly not by the likes of you.
-- Chris Coose (ccoose@maine.rr.com), October 28, 2002.
What's amazing to me is not that priests have abused children, but that MORE priests have not done so, in the same proportion as the rest of the population.Look at the temptations we have thrown at us every day. Even scrolling through the Subject lines of messages in my Junk Mail Folder sometimes requires me to do so with my eyes closed, they're that filthy. At least priests, and the Church as a whole, are TRYING to stop these evils, even if they don't always succeed.
-- Christine L. (christine_lehman@hotmail.com), October 28, 2002.
Don't let it amaze you, Christine. The Catholic priesthood has its sinners, we know that. But I'm appalled that some so- called Catholics never mention her saints.Here is a feeble reply from Chris Coose. I've given him a hatchet job. Oh? He makes remarks like ''Eyes wide shut,'' about any word of support for the prelates and priests of the Church. Sure; to him they're all cut from the same pedophile cloth. He won't agree that holy men are thrown to the wolves for the sins of a few perverts. I guess Chris wants us to give all priests the hatchet in our forum! Then he'll pat us on the back. He feels ''vindicated, but not by the likes of me''. --How does it vindicate him to see me standing up for good priests? Did I ever defend a pedophile? I wonder if he can show us any little word I ever wrote to condone evil priests??? One word.
But I call him angry. Yes; that I did. He is motivated by anger. He is blinded by it. We have to pray for him, that's my answer.
-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), October 28, 2002.
Chavez,You are full of it pal.
Check the history of my writings on this subject.
I have only disdain for the perverts and those who shuffled them around and stupid sentences like the one I pulled in the other thread by John G.
The rest you put upon me and that is your mistake.
-- Chris Coose (ccoose@maine.rr.com), October 28, 2002.
Bouchie,"Medications suggested for the forum member indeed."
Look, thats the problem, you think everything can be handled taking a pill. You are know Doctor to recomend any kind of a medication. Is that what you do with the slasher's, just medicate them evertime there is a problem?
What because someone doesn't agree with your comments your anwser is to drug them up? You need to learn a thing or two about common sense buddy!
I want you walk into work tommorow and quit. You shouldn't be working around slashers if you think a pill is the answer to everything! Get to the root of the problem first, and than maybe medication is needed.
Blessings,
TY
-- Tyrone (###@##.@), October 28, 2002.
Dear Chris Coose:
If what you say is so, what have you been vindicated about? I was guilty of a hatchet job because what? If you seem angry to me, that's a hatchet job? Vindicated? Ha!
-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), October 28, 2002.
The hatchet job, Chavez, is all the crap which you project on to people with whom you disagree.Vindicated might be a state of mind which I enjoy when I pass by this forum and it has nothing to do with you, but has all to do with what you represent. Vindication happens almost every time you type. Its like magic.
There we go Chavez, you are a magician to me.
-- Chris Coose (ccoose@maine.rr.com), October 29, 2002.
Thanks, Chris. For projecting what you think my posts are. I'm content with all I've said; whatever you see as crap you may ask me to change. Are you vindicated enough today, to show me what is in my posts that really offends you? It can't be that I said you were an angry man. That's innocuous. It must be something substantive; at least in your eyes. I'll change it today, if you can point to it and show it's mean-spirited. This I promise.
-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), October 29, 2002.
Meantime, Mr. Coose,
I'll ask you again; because we got off the real subject when you went into a personal mode.I wish they would suggest some constructive approach to pedophilia in or out of the Church. Some other way than bashing the clergy without mercy. If either Coose or Bouchard had the least charity, they'd see that only some priests have fallen into grave sin, and not all bishops covered up; some were deceived into following improper procedures. The vast majority of priets are blameless yet suffer for the sins of the few. Many holy men give their lives for the Church, but as bishops they have to be branded collaborators and victimizers of children.
Is this just crap? I was asking for your constructive input. You didn't respond.
I have to wonder what in truth Bishop Coose and (Just Chris, this time) --Would have done.
I'm still wondering.
-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), October 29, 2002.
To All those I have offended - It would appear over these past years of coming and going on the forum in attempts to express my feelings understanding and views of following Jesus Christ have been false on my part.Elements of deceit collusion pandering sexual abuse financial fiascos and so forth are a perceived illusion on my part due to stress in my job of working with teenagers who with their misconceived illusions attempt stage be stage to destroy the Holy Temple given to them at birth by The Father in Heaven.
Yes to have listened and misunderstood the offering of joy compassion freedom of a soul and most of all charity by those misunderstood ordained Ministers of Christ resulting in self destruction of my patients is my conveluted misunderstanding of my youth as a Jew who became a follower of Christ.
Again I offer a sincere apology to those who have been indoctrinated and institionalized to the extent of knowing the Emperor's New Clothing are really there. I am attempting to learn the truth on this fourm. Please be patient with me as I am a slow learner.
-- jean bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.net), October 30, 2002.
OH. ''It would apppear?''to have listened and misunderstood the offering of joy compassion freedom of a soul and most of all charity by those misunderstood ordained Ministers of Christ
''I offer a sincere apology --?'' That's very manly of you, Monsiuer Bouchard. (To whom, and how sincere,) --To those who have been indoctrinated and institionalized to the extent of knowing the Emperor's New Clothing are (?) really there.''
You mean faithful Catholics? You are apologising sincerely to Catholics who fail to denounce all priests, all bishops, the ''institution''; as you call it?
Why is it that the more you preen before this forum, the nakeder you appear? Are you wearing ''New Clothes'' which only you are able to see? Please don't take offense at me. I ask you in a sincere spirit of peace and brotherhood. Please remember we all respect your opinions here. Sincerely.
-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), October 30, 2002.