Griping and moaning : LUSENET : Unk's Troll-free Private Saloon : One Thread

Seems a lot of folks don't like the way this board is run, if you have a suggestion post it here.

Not that I will institute it, but I will at least read and consider it.

-- Uncle Deedah (, July 30, 2002


Assuming you know the IP address of the troll(s), you can either:

a) Give the poster a stern warning to knock off the shit

b) Change the password and send it to all but the troll(s). They can then come back after apologizing profusely, and promising to knock off the shit.

c) Or don't let them back. Use the discretion you DIDN'T use the first time.

What's the point of having a password protected forum, if you're going to give it to anyone freely without thought? I don't get it.

-- (suggestion@box.), July 30, 2002.

BTW, it's a shame that you construe this as griping and moaning.

-- (suggestion@box.), July 30, 2002.

Thanks for your input. I'm glad you participated.

When you start your own forum, and some 90 or so people ask, some beg, you for the password, and you try your best to do the right thing to include folks without letting too many idiots in, but a troll or two gets in anyway, THEN you can whine about giving away a password without thought. Maybe you would get it then.

-- Uncle Deedah (, July 30, 2002.

Unk, you run this board just fine.

-- helen (, July 30, 2002.

You know, you did ask for suggestions.

-- (ucan't take@constructive.criticism), July 30, 2002.

You're being manipulated Unk. I wouldn't worry too much about what this one supposedly discontent troll "suggestion box" and "ucan't take" says, he's playing games with you. Methinks it is either Roland or Lars. Posting as a troll himself in order to annoy everyone, then trying to get you to eliminate other anonymous posters because he doesn't like their opinions. He's the one who's going to keep giving you a pain in the ass, and the only one worthy of banning.

-- (constitutional rights @ foundation. of freedom), July 30, 2002.

Somebody sounds desperate. And that somebody is you, trollboy.

-- (he@he.heh), July 30, 2002.

Why don't you start with the disturbed individual that calls everyone a dumb c*nt.

-- talk about psychos (her@highness.), July 30, 2002.

Don't sweat it Unk. There are only three of us who really post here anyway (or is it four now?) the rest are nothing but figments of our imagination.

Christ, what an imagination we have.

-- Jack Booted Thug (, July 30, 2002.

I like the way this board is run. The only thing that needs to be improved is the number of posters, but I for one don't have any idea on how to do that without attracting Lady Logic wannabes.

-- dr. pibb (drpibb@new.formula), July 30, 2002.

Unkie, come what may, I know in my ole heart, you have the soul of a diplomat my friend~! Do what you need to do, and let the rest just "be". Here in the old west, we just kinda live and let live ya know. Ya got the right idea when ya created this joint Unk. Back to the basics of unk's Troll-Free forum! Perhaps time to REPOST the rules of the game and mebbe folks in these parts would settle down sum. Just my two cents pardner! Hugs to ya hon!

-- Aunt Bee (, July 30, 2002.

The only one person I think should be banned is Cin. She always acts like a smartass bitch, then when people tell her where she can shove it, she cries to Unk, lol! Typical liberal, always wanting a special double standard when it comes to themselves.

-- (lol @ major. eye roll), July 31, 2002.


Yes I did ask for suggestions. What I didn't like was the characterization that I just handed out the password as if it were posted on a bathroom wall somewhere. I actually spent a lot of friggin time on that process. Like I said, you try it sometime.

-- Uncle Deedah (, July 31, 2002.

Unk, as JBT said, "don't sweat it." So what a couple of second graders got in. The juveniles will quickly get bored when no one rises to their bait. Don't you have kids? Then you know how to ignore this 'prankish', harmless behavior. We can only hope that someday the kids will grow up and if they don't, we learned the virtue of patience.

-- Maria (, July 31, 2002.

Unk, you know I love ya! Especially since I stuck around after all the abuse at the beginning. ; )

Some people around here are childish and self-serving. The same is true in 'the real world'. Most of the time it's easy to ignore them and move on. At least we don't have the HTML nightmares.

PS- I rarely gripe, but I DO moan. lol! (I hope that made you smile.) (((((Unk)))))

-- Pammy (, July 31, 2002.

You do a most excellent job dude!

Everything's hunky dorey IMO : )

-- capnfun (, July 31, 2002.

S'not you, Unk. I still agree with a thread from a few months ago that this board lacks diversity and meaningful opposition (illiterate rants about "repugs" and Cherri's tedious cut and pastes don't count).

Flint made a lot of good points on that thread, as did others. I see that Flint has basically abandoned this board in favor of Olson's place for just these reasons.


Send diEteR to Olson's board and invite them over for a reunion party!

Face it, folks. Doomers are entertaining.

-- just (AKA paper or, July 31, 2002.

Things aren't great on Dennis' board either. A recent post from him:

Hi everyone.

I am writing this because in the past couple of weeks, it seems like there is come kind of emotional trauma going around on the board.

Some folks are being REALLY mean, and some are getting upset (offended) at the tiniest little thing. This MAG thing is a prime example. Instead of just discussing the ISSUE (or even suggesting that we post a poll), I have seen (and heard of) serveral folks getting in a huff, and asking to be removed from whatever.

So what I'd like to know is, what the heck is going ON HERE? Why is all this hostility and freaking-out heppening?

I understand that times are crazy, but COME ON FOLKS. We're supposed to be here to support each other, not tear into each other and stomp off in little hissy-fits.

There is so much happening that I have to ask: WHAT is more important, "hanging in there" and assimilating all the information out there so we can act proactively, or just freaking out when something might upset us a bit?

IMHO, getting al p*ssy is absolutely counterproductive in the long run. I KNOW how hard it can be (trust me on that!) but we need to get past all this, or this place will utlimately self-destruct.

And is that what we really want to see happen?


-- (things@re.tense everywhere), July 31, 2002.

Real abuse is having to read about Pammy's imagined sex life.

-- (go@see.therapist), July 31, 2002.

Jealousy doesn't become you Ms. 'Go See'. I dare you to email me and I'll give you my phone number. You can talk to Mr. Pammy yourself.

-- Pammy (, July 31, 2002.

I agree with what Unk has said, about the difficulty of keeping trolls out of the forum. Suppose he gets a request for a password, from someone he knows has posted sensibly. Little can he know that this same person has a Mr. Hyde side, posting horrible garbage under different handles.

-- Peter Errington (, July 31, 2002.

I'm probably the only person who DOESN'T have your phone number.

-- heheheh (btw@no.thank ya skank), July 31, 2002.

My, what a witty comeback. You're full of hot air. (among other things)

-- Pammy (, July 31, 2002.


"go see @ therapist" is cin, she gets jealous of anyone else having sex without asking her if she wants to participate.

-- Kenny Starr (Anti-Sex @ Swat. Team), July 31, 2002.

Self-serving and childish:

The act of butting in to a serious discussion about life and death, to post how many orgasms you had lastnight and how much you like to give head.

-- It's right here (in@the.dictionary), July 31, 2002.

And alas, the nameless, faceless, gutless trolls abound! From nothing, comes nothing.

-- Aunt Bee (, July 31, 2002.

Price we pay Bee to get to whisper between the blurts.

-- Carlos (, July 31, 2002.

If we have established that it is really impossible to avoid "trolls," as I believe we have, then perhaps there's no point in a password-protected forum. We lost a lot of people in the move from the original Wild Wild West to this one. If you're looking for more participation, it would likely help to move back there.

-- (what@i.think), August 01, 2002.

Well, what Unk has done may have left some trolls behind. I don't think we should be that defeatist.

-- Peter Errington (, August 01, 2002.

Well, what Unk has done may have left some trolls behind.

It may have left some "trolls" behind, but it did leave many "non-trolls" behind and now we're stuck with suggestions to try to get people to come over here.

There are some realities that need to be understood about so- called "trolls":

1) They can't be avoided, especially since the definition of "troll" is dependent on the person. Remember, on the original TimeBomb forum, Cherri and Maria were considered "trolls" as were many "pollies."

2) Trolls aren't so bad, especially if you ignore them. If you can't or don't want to ignore them, that's fine too. Trolls can be fun to play with sometimes. They even help to lighten the mood.

The most annoying type of troll is the one who tries to mess up the HTML, but nearly all these types of problems can be fixed by any of us - no admin support required. The worst one was probably the "shapes" person over on Uncensored, but we survived that, not to mention attacks by CPR, LadyLogic, and some unknown spammer. The board continued unabated.

For nearly two months after the admins of the CheEZBoard TimeBomb forum left, the forum ran by itself with no moderation at all. There were no fights, no griping, and no problems. Anybody could post anything, and somehow, the forum managed to avoid the anarchy and chaos that Olson and his goons continue to believe will occur without application of the "heavy hand."

I think the idea that we can run away to a place where "trolls" will never find us is just plain silly. We are all "trolls" in one way or another. Even dIeTeR could be considered a troll. If there are "trolls" among us, so what? Ignore them or embrace them. Either solution will be more productive than trying to escape them.

-- (what@i.think), August 01, 2002.

You nailed it.

The important thing is Unk has managed to screen out the bastard/bitch who made the West totally dysfunctional by jamming it with html and scripts.

-- (what i @ think. too), August 01, 2002.

The important thing is Unk has managed to screen out the bastard/bitch who made the West totally dysfunctional by jamming it with html and scripts.

Except that it wasn't totally dydfunctional. It was merely a minor inconvenience that could be easily worked around by any forum poster.

-- (what@i.think), August 01, 2002.

You may not have been there, but there were several times when the attacker jammed it with so many new threads so quickly that the server choked and could not respond for several hours.

You act as though this was just a minor inconvenience, something we should just get used to. No thanks, I prefer not to deal with that kind of crap, and I'm sure Unk doesn't enjoy spending hours a day deleting spam either. Did you participate in this mischief, is that why you are defending it?

-- (what i @ think. too), August 01, 2002.

You may not have been there, but there were several times when the attacker jammed it with so many new threads so quickly that the server choked and could not respond for several hours.

This is ridiculous. They used html and script tags within posts to make it so that the Contribute An Answer button would not appear. The workaround was simple. There was no "server choking" and they rarely posted any new threads since the objective was obviously to disrupt existing threads.

You act as though this was just a minor inconvenience,

It was.

something we should just get used to.

Or fix when you see it.

No thanks, I prefer not to deal with that kind of crap, and I'm sure Unk doesn't enjoy spending hours a day deleting spam either.

When was there any spamming? Perhaps you are confusing Wild Wild West with TimeBomb.

Did you participate in this mischief,

No, I fixed this mischief. And I can fix it again if you like, just like you can.

is that why you are defending it?

In what way am I defending it? I am simply pointing out that it was hardly as traumatic as you make it appear.

-- (what@i.think), August 01, 2002.

"Except that it wasn't totally dydfunctional. It was merely a minor inconvenience that could be easily worked around by any forum poster."

You must not have been there near the end. Turning off tags, even creating a "New Answers" button wasn't that difficult. I fixed a lot of those... but then our troll got a little more 'sophisticated'. : )

-- Pammy (, August 01, 2002.

As I said, most of the stuff could be worked around. I encountered maybe one or two threads that I couldn't fix, but that was about it. And yes, I was there until the very end.

Look, if everyone is more comfortable in a password-protected forum, then that's fine. But you should realize that what we have now is pretty much how things are going to stay. People don't just "drop by" a password-protected forum. The audience here is small and slowly getting smaller. Getting rid of more "trolls" will make it smaller still. I don't think eliminating even more people from discussion will solve anything.

-- (what@i.think), August 01, 2002.

Nope, you weren't there during the worst part. There were several times when this forum was spammed with so many threads simultaneously that you couldn't even get into the forum for many hours, sometimes over a day. Ask Unk, he'll tell ya. This is all besides the point anyway. We're impressed that you have the skills to counteract this sabotage, but we're a lot better off without it.

-- (thanks @ but. no thanks), August 01, 2002.

It is simple. As a first step, I will just enforce the use of a single name for each poster. Those that don't comply will be Dianonized.

See what I mean. ol'Unk.

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

Dianonized, Unk? And that would be....?

-- Pammy (, August 01, 2002.

Yes, fake Unk, I had considered that. That would still suck up a lot of my time though, wading through the admin section killing off dipshit posts.

But I'll think about that one. What say the rest of you? Should that be the new rule, pick a handle and stick with it?

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

Hmmm....sounds like extra work, fuckit!

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.


I could just shut this place down and move everything over to Unk's WWW at Hostboard. No password needed there, (well, you do need to sign up and pick a screen name, which uses a password that YOU choose)and I have disabled the HTML so the script kiddies cannot screw it up. Links and pics and italics and bold can still be posted using the UBB code. Plus they have really cool little smiley faces. Everyone loves cute little smiley faces, even trolls.

Now if y'all will excuse me, the pool is a lovely 89 degrees, just about the perfect temp for a spoiled former yanqui to go swimming.

Ta ta!

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

This of course is my normal response to problems. Whine and disappear. But that is me. I don't care enough about this place to make an effort. Then, once again, that is me.

If you want a good site find someone who is responsible. That wouldn't be me.

(Fake) Uncle Deedah

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

Actually Fake Unk, your normal response is to sit around whining about lack of effort while I, Real Unk, actually made the effort to open up not one, not two, but three forums so that folks would have a place to post. And rather than cry in your beer wondering whether or not I spend enough time moderating this place, perhaps you will recall I've have said from DAY ONE that I do not intend to sit around babysitting whiners like you who cannot sift through the chaff, or who cannot ignore posts that are unruly. Take a deep breath and grow up, or, move along to another forum. OR, by golly, open your own and WOW us all with the caring manner in which you moderate.

But you are right about one thing, dead on right. If you want to find a good site run by someone who is responsible, that person surely wouldn't be YOU.

The pool is lovely by the way. Now if you will excuse me it's time to shave my head.

Hugs and kisses,

Real Unk

PS, you are done using my name.

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

Unk, I think you should be reminded that you were sort of elected to take over the new place.

Come down off your high horse already. You're not god.

-- (how soon@they.forget), August 01, 2002.

How bout’ you whiny motherfucking pussies take your lame asses somewhere else. What the hell kind of forum do you think this is? Some Martha Stewart flower-arranging circle? Deedah took the time to make this place available so all participants could speak their minds (the ones that have one) without fear of censorship. If you don’t like the spirited exchanges that take place here, then get on down the road.

So I say this to you Unk, and all of your many alter egos, fuck em’ if they can’t take a joke.

Also……..thanks for your efforts.

-- Free (head@case.analysis), August 01, 2002.

I see the selective deletion is back. Only when it suits you, eh Unk?

-- (cocky@bastard.), August 01, 2002.

What was deleted bonebrain?

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

PS, you are done using my name.

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

-- (duh@dickhead.), August 01, 2002.

That's not a deletion dumbass.

But, since you are so hung up about me not censoring people, would it be OK if I start with you?


-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.


PS, you are done using my name.

If I don't like it I can be gone. Just pointing out that you will remove my posts when I use your name but not those of others who use my name. [we have a name for that]. Sounds good to me. To emphasize, you weren't so upset about people using my name. I guess it is because you don't want to run a site but a shrine. A site requires shared responsibility. You don't want that. You should have had Flint and others working with you. The place could have been worth visiting.

So long Helen, Aunt Bee, Cap and others. Of course you know how to find me. ;<))))

Best Wishes,,,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (, August 01, 2002.

The point IS, Unk, you only delete something when it concerns YOU. You leave psychotic crap up, but delete someone impersonating you in fun.

If you can't see that there is something wak'd about that, then there is no hope for you.

Delete me if you wish to.

-- (don', August 01, 2002.

Z is right. I was impersonated too, but was it deleted? Of course not

-- (not@that.i cared), August 01, 2002.

As far as I can tell, there is only one person who is doing all the whining, and that is the same malcontent misfit that is stealing Unk's name. Everyone else seems perfectly content, so just identify the IP of that troll and block him/her out. If this person wants to keep crying about nothing, let them go to Olson's and do it.

-- (whining crybaby is @ welcome. to leave), August 01, 2002.

Speaking of whiny motherfucking pussies, this bullshitting asshole ‘Z’ takes the cake. Didn’t this nutless wonder pout and moan when Unk asked for a ‘little love’ a few months back? Said he was never coming back here but unfortunately, it was just more of his two- faced crap cuz he returned.

Z, don’t let the door hit you in your lame ass.

-- Just (my@2.cents), August 01, 2002.

Whining [a good name]:

You obviously got your knowledge of the net from a review of Bill's book. I am on AOL. I have floating IP. I have accessed the web from all 50 states, Europe and Africa on AOL. My checks say I never get the same address [according to my records]. Of course, if I wanted to hide, I could use one of the sites that would assign another floating IP on top of the one that I use. Then again, I could use that second site to proxy a server in some other part of the world. That would give Unk three floating IP's to search. You can extend that if you want to really hide.

You really have to learn about this stuff if you are going to talk about it.

Best Wishes,,,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (, August 01, 2002.

Z, please don't leave.

If you do, let us know where you're going.

-- (I, August 01, 2002.

I would:

Thank You. If you have the proper security clearance, you can find me. I guess that it is best that I avoid public boards for a few months.

Once again, thank you.

Best Wishes,,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (, August 01, 2002.

Z, I was referring to normal people. Only idiots use AOL.

-- (you can @ leave. now), August 01, 2002.

I guess it is because you don't want to run a site but a shrine.

OK Z, which is it? Am I neglecting this place, or am I running a shrine? Shrines require polishing to keep the pidgeon poop to a minimum, therefore it can't be both. Lord knows there is enough pidgeon poop around here.

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.


I am disappointed that you will obviously continue to make these sorts of rash forum decisions without consulting me. As I have said on countless occasions, I have unique expertise in this area as my minions can attest to. That you have chosen to implement this completely unfair, biased, and one-sided method of gross censorship only shows you for what you really are.

This forum is your responsibility and you are held solely accountable for everything that is said and done by anyone anywhere for any reason at any time. You are responsible for that last sentence I wrote. You are responsible for what I am writing right now at this moment, each word I type, each and every letter, is your responsibility. You are responsible for this sentence. And this one. And this one. And this one. You are responsible for the fact that the last three sentences are merely sentence fragments. You are responsible for the fact that the last sentence was an annoying gramaticall nitpick. You are responsible for the typo in the last sentence. You are responsible for the fact that I lied and it wasn't really a typo because I did it intentionally to point out your responsibility for it. There is simply no end to your responsibilities here.

The so-called "policy" you have chosen is nothing less than the complete destruction of our human rights, nay our very human soul. To see you so willing to crush our precious rights under the massive heel of your steel-toed jackboots reminds me that I still have a chicken in the oven. It's not just any chicken, mind you. ;<)))). This chicken uses a special recipe from Borneo, where as I'm sure you are aware, they do know their chicken!! Anyway, the spices that make up the delicate rub are extremely difficult to locate in just about any part of the United States. Of course, as you know, I have access to the finest culinary resources due to my work with pigs in Iowa. They were not only able to provide me with the exact spices I require, but they were able to do so at a much lower price than the "average" person could normally get, if you know what I mean. ;<)))) In case you don't actually know what I mean, I mean that I'm far above anything remotely considered "average." That's what I meant. So now you actually know what I mean. Or at least you do if you've been reading this far, and I'm sure you must have since I'm so much more interesting that anyone else. ;<))))

With that said, I will be leaving this forum forever, never to return. I will be gone permanently. I will never come back for any reason at any time. I'm out of here. Sayonara. Adios. Goodbye for the rest of our lives. I mean it this time. I'm really never coming back here ever. This is my very last post for all time ever on this forum. You will never ever see me here again. This is it. The last post. The very last words you will ever hear from me on this site. Well, not hear exactly, but read. Although if you have the proper software, you can actually hear the words as well as read them. My minions have access to this special software, as they have access to many things not available to "average" people, if you know what I mean. ;<)))) In case you don't, though, I mean that they, like myself, are far above anything remotely considered "average." Although, I am still far above them, so I am even farther above average than they are!! ;<)))) So to recap, this is it. No more. I'm done. You'll be not hearing or reading from me here ever again. Not even one more time. Will you hear from me again? Of course not. As I said, this is the last time I will post here forever. I'm done. Anyone who really wants to get in touch with me will have to know the super secret password. I'll spam it to all your mailboxes later tonight.

Best Wishes,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,.,.....,,.,.,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,


-- (Zzzz@Zzzz.zzzzz), August 01, 2002.

Now THAT is parody!

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

Also, I've taken just a little bit of crap over the past few days from folks who don't like the way I run this joint, and, by golly, all of it is still there! Not deleted! Imagine that!

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

I love you Unk.

Sorry but I do. And I liked your thought that day when Z had a fucking conniption fit over having to put the word love in every post. Censorship and control my ass. It was never about that, it was about calming the waters and having fun, Fun for one fucking day. Remember how that ended? That's what appeasement of trollish behavior by the principled Z brings you.

Now, lets analyze this. How valuable to a forum, any forum, is some stuck up tight ass that doesn't have a sense of humor? JMO, but I vote, not very.

But hey,as I recall this isn't a fucking democracy and never has been. You are the self appointed (but since Divinely confirmed) KING of this realm that is populated by a menagarie of warped perverts.

So I say "Fuck 'em, Long live the King!".

-- Jack Booted Thug (, August 01, 2002.

Thank you JBT, the check is in the mail.

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 01, 2002.

I'm not warped.

-- Pammy (: ) @ : ) . : )), August 01, 2002.

I am.

-- Carlos (, August 01, 2002.

You rang? : )

I like the pool idea just fine but please for the love of God don't forget about the ice cold brewski's, the heat index is 107. That's the way uh huh uh huh I like it. Cappy is happy !!!

-- capnfun (, August 02, 2002.

You should have had Flint and others working with you. The place could have been worth visiting.

You may be right Z, perhaps I should have had some help with the chores around here. But I've always felt that it's best if there is one person to whom you bring your gripes, not some nebulous team of moderators ala TB2K Original. And you are probably right in your unspoken suggestion that maybe this place will implode someday because it isn't worth visiting, in fact it probably WILL implode someday. Gotta tell ya though, I find it ironic that a few of the former posters here who were among the loudest voices against censorship have decided to no longer post here because of the noise level. Freedom of speach is fine in theory, but messy in application.

Don't want to see you leave, but it's a free country friend.

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 02, 2002.

OH, and lest I forget to mention it before you go. (if you do decide to)

Thanks for posting what info you have regarding the fate of the Greenspun forums.

-- Uncle Deedah (, August 02, 2002.

Unk, have you thought about removing the password protection for a few days (as an experiment)? I know it didn't work last time, but maybe this time it will. If it doesn't you could just reinstate it.

-- dr. pibb (drpibb@new.formula), August 02, 2002.

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