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U.S. Warplanes Strike Iraq Facility
Fri Jul 19, 2:01 PM ET
By WAIEL FALEH, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - U.S. and British warplanes destroyed a military communications facility in southern Iraq, the U.S. military said Friday. Iraq said the missile strike killed five people, including a couple and their children.
The Iraqi claim could not be independently verified.
The planes, patrolling the no-fly zone over southern Iraq, used precision-guided weapons to destroy the military site Thursday, U.S. Central Command said in a statement. The strikes came in response to continued Iraqi hostile actions toward coalition airplanes, it said.
Air Force Brig. Gen. John W. Rosa Jr. said Monday that Iraq had increased its challenges to coalition aircraft in the northern and southern no-fly zones. The two zones were created after the 1991 Gulf War ( news - web sites) to protect Kurds and minority Shiite Muslims from Iraqi military forces.
The Iraqi military said the coalition planes bombed "civilian and service installations" in Qadissiya province, 155 miles south of Baghdad, on Thursday night.
The attack hit two nearby homes, destroying one and damaging the other, killing five people and injuring 17 others, the military said in a statement carried by the official Iraqi News Agency.
Among the dead were a husband, wife and their two children, the agency said. A 60-year-old man who was also killed was thought to be a relative.
U.S. military officials say they take great care to avoid civilians when making retaliatory strikes in Iraq.
Funerals for the air raid victims were held Friday in Diwaniya, the capital of Qadissiya province, the agency said. Government officials and members of Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites)'s ruling Baath Party attended. Mourners shouted "Down with Bush" and "Down with America," while others demanded Saddam extract revenge.
Iraq has never recognized the no-fly zones and frequently tries to shoot down planes patrolling them.
-- (Dumbya@premature.ejaculation), July 20, 2002
He's baaaaaaaack. Oh goody, I have trollboy to kick around again.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 20, 2002.
LOL, I know how much you missed me niggah! I bet you've been going through hatred withdrawal and beginning to realize how pathetic your life is. Without someone to spew your disgusting repugant ignorance and hatred upon, you'd lose your identity and go completely insane! Bwaaahahahaha!!
-- heee haaaw! (roloboy @ pathetic. loser), July 20, 2002.
WAIEL FALEH, is a ‘reporter’ for the AP based in Baghdad. Of course, Saddam allows him to tell it like it is with no spin.
Like our resident trollboy, Faleh has been taking it in the ass so long that the truth no longer matters.
-- Bend (email@example.com), July 20, 2002.
You two have disgusted me. Good Bye!
-- (Ifirstname.lastname@example.org), July 20, 2002.
AP-Trollboy trashes moribund forum
In a desperate and pathetic effort to punish dissent, an escaped BPD known as Trollboy has begun once again to vandalize Unk's "Trollfree" Saloon, an obscure Internet forum that threatens no one.
"We are watching him" says Director of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge. "He is not as harmless and irrelevant as he appears. His boorishness and ignorance are a deception. In reality, he is Omar bin Qa Qa, a dedicated Al Qaeda who runs a storefront Mosque in Weehawken, NJ. He has been trained in assination, disinformation and bombmaking in Syria. He is reviled in authentic Muslim circles because he deliberately winds his towel CCW instead of the orthodox CW. This is a sin in the eyes of Allah, punishable by the Death of 10,000 cuts. A fatwah has been issued on Qa Qa", said Ridge.
-- (AP breaking News @ working for.you), July 21, 2002.
“He has been trained in assination”
Sounds dangerous to me!!!!
-- Stop! (email@example.com), July 21, 2002.
I don't find it so difficult to believe that 5 people were killed and 17 injured in an attack like this. After all, look at the accuracy of other recent bombing incidents. In several cases, entire villages were "accidentally" obliterated. Then of course there were the times when we even killed our own troops and a whole slew of Canadian soldiers because the bombs strayed several miles from their targets.
-- Donald Rumsfeld (a.k.a. @ dr. strangelove), July 21, 2002.
Hey there, "-- Bend (firstname.lastname@example.org)"
Is Dexter Filkins okay, or has he been taking it in the ass too?
Flaws in U.S. Air War Left Hundreds of Civilians Dead
Sun Jul 21, 3:25 PM ET
By DEXTER FILKINS The New York Times
KABUL, Afghanistan ( news - web sites) The American air campaign in Afghanistan, based on a high-tech, out-of-harm's-way strategy, has produced a pattern of mistakes that have killed hundreds of Afghan civilians.
On-site reviews of 11 locations where airstrikes killed as many as 400 civilians suggest that American commanders have sometimes relied on mistaken information from local Afghans. Also, the Americans' preference for airstrikes instead of riskier ground operations has cut off a way of checking the accuracy of the intelligence.
The reviews, over a six-month period, found that the Pentagon ( news - web sites)'s use of overwhelming force meant that even when truly military targets were located, civilians were sometimes killed. The 11 sites visited accounted for many of the principal places where Afghans and human rights groups claim that civilians have been killed.
Pentagon officials say their strategy has evolved in recent months away from airstrikes to the use of ground forces to hunt down remaining fighters for the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Since then, air power has been deployed in mostly a supporting role; still, the effects have often been disastrous.
The American attack this month on villages in Oruzgan Province, where airstrikes killed at least 54 civilians, has crystallized a sense of anger here is undermining the good will the United States gained by helping to dislodge the Taliban. That anger is threatening to frustrate America's ability to hunt down Taliban and Qaeda forces that still survive.
For the first time, Afghan leaders are demanding a say in how air raids are conducted. They are even hinting that if the mistakes continue, they may limit America's future military activities.
"We have to be given a larger role," said Dr. Abdullah, the Afghan foreign minister, in an interview. "If things do not improve, well, I will certainly pray for the Americans and wish them success, but I will no longer be able to take part in this."
The Pentagon often relies on information from warlords and other Afghans whose loyalties are unclear in a country riven by decades of war and tribal rivalries. That information may be incomplete or inaccurate, and sometimes even deliberately misleading. As a result, the Pentagon's critics say, the military has too often struck without a full understanding of what it was attacking.
American military commanders insist they take pains to ensure that civilians are spared, often verifying their targets with several sources of information. In many of the cases cited here, they insisted that they struck valid military targets. Often, despite evidence on the ground, they denied that civilians were killed.
Indeed, the American commanders reject the notion that they may be placing too much reliance on Afghan warlords for information, or too much reliance on air power to carry out their strategy.
"We painstakingly assess the potential for injuring civilians or damaging civilian facilities, and positively identify targets before striking," said Col. Ray Shepherd, the spokesman for the United States Central Command in Tampa, Fla.
Nonetheless, American officials acknowledged that the botched strike in Oruzgan has strained relationships with Afghanistan. They said that since the raid, they have changed procedures. "We want to ensure that coordination with Afghan leaders is complete prior to an action," Colonel Shepherd said.
The war in Afghanistan is not the first time that differences have risen between what pilots thought they hit and what was found on the ground later. Nor is it the first time that questions have risen about civilian casualties from American airstrikes.
After 78 days of airstrikes over Serbia in 1999, American military officials conceded that damage to the Yugoslav Army was far less extensive than originally thought. In those raids, Human Rights Watch, an American organization, said at least 500 civilians had been killed.
American commanders say they have not kept track of civilian deaths in Afghanistan, but they say their strategy has succeeded. Earlier this year, Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the head of Central Command, called the Afghan campaign "the most accurate war ever fought in this nation's history." The military also takes solace in relatively low American casualties, including 37 soldiers killed.
Indeed, the extraordinary accuracy of American airstrikes since they began in October has produced few of the types of disasters that plagued past wars, when bombs aimed at one target hit something else instead. In one of those cases here last November, an American bomb aimed at a building that was thought to harbor a senior Taliban military commander, Jalaluddin Haqqani, hit a mosque.
A reporter visiting the mosque after the strike found evidence to substantiate Afghans' claim that at least 65 civilians died. American military officials acknowledged that the mosque had been struck in error, but a senior American military official was not able to give the precise number of dead.
Those kinds of incidents have been rare. Instead, the evidence suggests that many civilians have been killed by airstrikes hitting precisely the target they were aimed at. The civilians died, the evidence suggests, because they were were made targets by mistake, or because in eagerness to kill Qaeda and Taliban fighters, Americans did not carefully differentiate between civilians and military targets.
Field workers with Global Exchange, an American organization that has sent survey teams into Afghan villages, say they have compiled a list of 812 Afghan civilians who were killed by American airstrikes. They say they expect that number to grow as their survey teams reach more remote villages.
Marla Ruzicka, a Global Exchange field worker in Afghanistan, said the most common factor in the civilian deaths had been an American reliance on incomplete information to decide on targets.
"Smart bombs are only as smart as people on the ground," Ms. Ruzicka said. "Before you bomb, you should be 100 percent certain of who you are bombing."
The most recent errant strike, around the village of Kakrak in Oruzgan Province, appears to have resulted from a reliance on faulty intelligence and the use of sudden and excessive force in trying to kill people who the American pilots thought were enemy fighters.
On July 1, during an operation to hunt Taliban leaders, an American AC-130 gunship attacked four villages around the hamlet of Kakrak. American soldiers later found villagers gathering up the limbs of their neighbors. Local officials counted 54 dead, most of them women and children, and at least 120 wounded.
American pilots fired on Kakrak after Special Operations forces on the ground reported seeing antiaircraft guns firing, military officials said. According to the villagers, there were two engagement parties that night, and some of the men were firing their guns in celebration, an Afghan tradition. The Americans said their planes had been fired on, but the villagers denied aiming at anything.
American officials have acknowledged that the raid killed innocents, and they have sent a team to the village to investigate.
But the larger issue for Afghans is what the Americans were doing there in the first place, and why they attacked the villages with such ferocity. As in past cases, they say the Americans relied on bad information, from an Afghan intelligence official from another tribe, and that they fired their guns before they were sure whom they were shooting at.
"The Americans are not from here and they don't know our traditions or our enemies and who has enemies," said Jan Muhammad, the governor of Oruzgan Province, who spent three years in jail under the Taliban. "So they should contact us first and check first."
The American military says that Special Operations forces operated in the area for some weeks, taking heavy fire from parts of the province including the area near Kakrak, and that that is what led them to Kakrak.
The raid on July 1 was the sixth since January that the United States had carried out to hunt Taliban leaders in southern Afghanistan. So far, Americans have not detained even a single important Taliban leader but have killed more than 80 people.
In Kakrak, five men were arrested. Among the homes hit there was that of Abdul Malik, who fought with Hamid Karzai, now Afghanistan's president, last fall when he launched a local campaign to oust the Taliban. Mr. Malik lost 25 family members.
"Every time they say that they will coordinate more," Mr. Muhammad said, referring to American commanders. "They killed my people in Oruzgan, and they said they would not make a mistake again and that they would contact us first. Then they did it again."
What angered Afghans like Mr. Muhammad, and Westerners working in the area, is what they described as a trigger-happy American approach. No Americans entered the village before the planes opened fire. Once called in, the American AC-130 gunship, which employs machine guns and heavy cannons, strafed four villages.
"Two questions remain: why they attacked with such force, and what precautionary moves do they take to differentiate between civilians and Al Qaeda and Taliban," said a Western aid official working in southern Afghanistan. "They attacked quite a big area, four villages, and you cannot just assume that everyone there is the enemy."
The pattern of striking with maximum force on questionable targets began months before, when American planes attacked an ammunition dump in the village of Niazi Qala, 50 miles south of Kabul, and wiped out the entire village. A United Nations ( news - web sites) spokeswoman said 52 people died there.
Local Afghans said Taliban leaders had moved a large store of ammunition to Niazi Qala, fearing that the American planes would find it if they left it stored in a fort in Gardez, the provincial capital.
The American planes found it anyway, striking Niazi Qala on the night of Dec. 29.
A reporter visiting the village a month after the attack found no sign, apart from remnants of the ammunition depot, of Al Qaeda or the Taliban.
Seven months later, with summer in full bloom, the town stood lifeless. Six survivors from Niazi Qala live in a nearby village, among them, Ahmed Gul, a 13-year-old boy with an ill-fitting plastic eye, and his 12-year-old cousin, Lal Muhammad, his torso crisscrossed with scars.
"All the Americans had to do was come here, and they could have seen for themselves that there were no Taliban among us," said Janat Gul, one of the survivors.
An American military official interviewed about Niazi Qala did not deny that civilians were killed there, but he insisted that the village had been a base for Taliban and Qaeda fighters. "This compound was in use by Taliban and Al Qaeda senior leadership," he said. The official did not name who those senior officials might have been.
Hajji Saifullah, the leader of the Gardez ruling council, said the Americans had relied on faulty intelligence provided by a local warlord, Padsha Khan Zadran.
Mr. Zadran, who was then vying to become governor of the area, told the Americans to strike the town in order to eliminate a village that had refused to support him, Mr. Saifullah said.
"The Americans got it completely wrong," Mr. Saifullah said in an interview. "Those people were not Al Qaeda. The Americans are listening to the wrong people."
One of the most deadly of the questionable American raids came when Mr. Zadran apparently used his influence with the Americans to call in a strike on his political foes.
On Dec. 20, according to rival Afghan commanders in Gardez, Mr. Zadran ordered fighters at a checkpoint south of the city to halt a convoy of tribal elders from Khost who were heading to Kabul for the inauguration of the new interim government. They demanded that the elders pressure Mr. Karzai to appoint Mr. Zadran the governor of Paktia, Paktika and Khost Provinces. The elders, Afghans in Gardez say, refused.
A few hours later, the convoy of elders was hit by a succession of American attacks, which killed most of the occupants. The survivors scrambled up a hill, toward the villages of Asmani and Pokharai, and the American planes, circling back, struck both villages, destroying about 20 homes.
Rival warlords in Gardez say Mr. Zadran used his satellite phone to tell the Americans that the convoy was filled with Qaeda fighters.
The Afghans insist, however, that the elders in the convoy supported Mr. Karzai's government.
A few weeks after the strike, two men from a nearby village who were found sifting through the rubble of Asmani for their relatives' belongings said they had buried 42 villagers after the strike.
The men were adamant that there had never been any Qaeda or Taliban fugitives there.
"I swear it, I collected all the bodies, and every one was a villager, somebody I knew," said Hajji Khial Khan, one of the men.
A senior American military commander said that both the convoy and the villages were valid military targets filled with enemy forces, and that several senior Taliban leaders were killed or wounded.
At Asmani, Akal Khan Kharakhel, one of the men rummaging through the ruins, was asked what lesson the Americans might draw from what happened. He did not hesitate.
"The Americans' big mistake," he said, "was to give satellite telephones to a man who has only one interest, and not the same one as the Americans."
-- (lol you pugs @ crack. me up), July 22, 2002.