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Hey, Homeland Security "connected the dots" this time. They pieced together scraps of intel, determined what was being planned, identified the terrorist, trailed him and captured him before anything happened. Some of you have been pissing and moaning that Bush "knew" or should have known about 9/11 and prevented it.
Well, now something has been prevented. Let's give credit where credit is due---come on, you can do it.
Nice job, Dubya and security agents.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 11, 2002
Credit for what? Credit for imprisoning an American citizen without a trial? Ever hear of habeas corpus? Oh, I get it---he's just a spic so let him rot.
The whole phoney event is a ploy contrived by NWO/Pugs to fan a war-fever that will warrant an invasion of Iraq.
Remember the Maine!
-- BWAHAHA (Dumbya@srikes.again), June 11, 2002.
Thank yourself and brethern BWAHAHA for any excesses. From silly shit here to a very real senate leader the bash from both sides tactic endangers. Doubt that's what you really want. Given a Gore presidency you wouldn't get this mindless shit from our side.
-- Carlos (email@example.com), June 11, 2002.
The "contribution" above, by the "Dumbya" troll, is vintage 200 proof LL. I haven't the faintest idea what Doc is doing these days, but this is not he.
-- Peter Errington (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 11, 2002.
I’m not so sure about that Peter but hey, stupid is stupid, regardless of the source. Now, about this ‘dirty bomb’ dude. Here’s a guy that has done time twice for armed felony and has a history of gang activity. OK, he just happens to be Hispanic….the shock of it all. Somewhere down the line while incarcerated, I’m guessing the Black Muslims converted him during a group shower session. So now he trips over to sand land and returns to carry out his mission. Personally, I wish they had cut off his friggin head and DHL’ed back to Mamdool and his merry men. Right now, the only civil liberties we should be concerned with are those of law-abiding Americans.
This moron BWAHAHA would sing a different tune if his/her family got blown to bits by one of these terrorist actions.
-- Send (email@example.com), June 11, 2002.
Send, I doubt this troll has any other tunes to sing. That would indicate that there's a brain in his head and that's extremely doubtful.
Roland, yeah the silence from the left is deafening.
-- Maria (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 11, 2002.
Given a Gore presidency you wouldn't get this mindless shit from our side.
LOL, of course we would. We got plenty of "mindless shit" from your side during the "Klintooooooon" era. Remember how he was going to be blamed for the whole Y2K "disaster?" Funny, when the "disaster" never materialized, where was the credit to old Billy-Boy for averting it?
Anyway, here's some noise from the left: Good Job!!!
-- (email@example.com), June 11, 2002.
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts this guy is just being used as a scapegoat to take media attention off of Dumbya's incompetence. He hasn't done anything wrong or illegal, and they don't even have any proof that he intended to. I guess just visiting Pakistan is enough to make you a "bad guy" in the eyes of Dumbya, and all bad guys should be tortured and executed or locked up for life, even if they didn't do anything wrong. He has dark skin, and that's bad enough.
-- lol (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 11, 2002.
It is silly to give the president credit (or blame) for the capture of an alleged terrorist. Interestingly, Padilla aka Abdullah al Muhajir, a U.S. citizen, has been imprisoned as an enemy combatant. Since he is only the third U.S. citizen detained since the 9/11 attacks, I'm not unduly alarmed about some vast erosion of civil liberties.
I am heartened by the capture of an alleged terrorist before an attack.
-- Ken Decker (email@example.com), June 11, 2002.
As you can see, our resident expert (LOL, BWAHAHA, etc.) is in possession of inner sanctum knowledge not available to us simple folk. I mean just look, he is telling us that Padilla aka Abdullah al Muhajir has done absolutely nothing wrong and our government has no right what-so-ever to detain this upstanding citizen. I would comment further but I must contact my Congressman and lodge a protest at once.
-- Free (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 11, 2002.
The gubmint has gathered no physical evidence on this man or any materials that could produce a bomb. They claim that he is guilty based on heresay from another person who they are torturing to get information. For all we know, they could have made that up just so they could get someone to put in the spotlight and act like they are achieving success in capturing terrorists. Someone who already has a felony and has changed to a Muslim name would be a good candidate that the people would probably believe is guilty. A lot of basketball players would also meet these qualifications, but they can't use one of them because the people like good basketball players.
What concrete evidence do you have that this guy actually did anything wrong, other than heresay and lies from the fascist Dumbya administration?
-- (email@example.com), June 11, 2002.
The Jacobin achievements included:
1. a new constitution in 1793 that gave all males the right to vote. However, the implementation of the constitution was postponed by the threat of invasion and internal revolts, and it was never put into effect.
2. the abolition of slavery in the French colonies and of imprisonment for debt.
3. the drawing up of plans for free public education. 4. the law of the maximum, which fixed prices on bread and other essential goods.
5. the facilitating of peasant purchases of the property of emigre nobles.
6. the creation of a mass citizen-army, heralding the emergence of modem warfare.
7. the creation of a heightened sense of devotion to la patrie (the nation), which heralded the rise of modem nationalism.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 11, 2002.
What concrete evidence do I have that this guy actually did anything wrong? It’s not my job to have any of this information in my possession. I trust my government to know these things and take ANY measures they choose to implement a neutralizing solution. You should concentrate on that which is most important to your own personal safety, like passing your next bed check.
-- Free (email@example.com), June 11, 2002.
"I trust my government to know these things and take ANY measures they choose to implement a neutralizing solution."
ROTFL! Yeah, just like they did with 911!
-- hee haaw (dumbya's playin you for @ blind. fool), June 11, 2002.
Attorney: Padilla's Held Illegally
Wed Jun 12, 7:40 AM ET
By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - The man accused of plotting to attack the United States with a radioactive "dirty bomb" is being held illegally, his lawyer told a judge.
"My client is a citizen," attorney Donna R. Newman said outside court Tuesday. "He still has constitutional rights — the right to counsel, the right to be charged by a grand jury. ... And they have not charged him."
After Jose Padilla's arrest in Chicago on May 8, authorities secretly held him in New York City. He was flown Monday aboard a military plane to a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C.
Newman claimed the government has denied her access to Padilla since he was turned over to the Defense Department, apparently on Sunday night. She said he had been held as a material witness in a high-security cell block in Manhattan.
U.S. District Judge Michael Mukasey said Newman's motion to dismiss the material witness case against Padilla might be moot because the government withdrew it. But he agreed to review the legal issues raised by the warrant.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Bruce told Mukasey the government withdrew the warrant and a grand jury subpoena naming Padilla on Sunday before he was turned over to the federal government.
Padilla's mother, Estela Ortega, had testified before the grand jury two weeks ago but did not expect her son to be detained, said her lawyer, Victor Olds.
Ortega "never heard anything from him or any place else for one moment to suggest that he was involved or ever was involved with a terrorist organization," Olds said.
Maria Rossello, Padilla's maternal grandmother, said her grandson had been in "Arabia" for the past five years but the family did not know what he was doing there.
Newman declined to describe her 31-year-old client other than to say he had been under extremely high security at the Manhattan Correctional Center and that he denied the government's allegations.
"His response is the allegations are not true because there are no allegations. He's not been charged, but he's being detained," Newman said.
Newman said she had filed court papers appealing the decision to place her client in military custody. The papers were not immediately made public.
Padilla's arrest was revealed Monday by Attorney General John Ashcroft ( news - web sites), who described Padilla as an enemy combatant. He said the government has "very significant information" about Padilla's involvement "with al-Qaida in very serious terrorist plots."
The government described the arrest as a significant blow against an al-Qaida plot to detonate a radioactive weapon — known as a "dirty bomb" — inside the United States, possibly targeting Washington.
Officials said the plot got only as far as the planning stage and they said there was no indication Padilla had access to nuclear materials. Undersecretary of State John Bollton indicated Padilla was carrying plans for the attack when he was picked up in Chicago.
Authorities described Padilla as a former gang member from Chicago who was raised Catholic but converted to Islam and changed his name to Abdullah al Muhajir.
-- (more fascism @ from. Dumbya), June 13, 2002.
Thank you for your diligence on our behalf. Allah the Beneficient will find 10 extra virgins for you. Go Islam!
-- (Sheik Omar @ soiled.towels), June 13, 2002.
One simple question here; “Who is footing the bill for Padilla’s mouthpiece, Donna Newman? Here is her web site:
Pro Bono maybe?
Follow the money as always.
10 'extra' virgins? Good luck on that.
-- Free (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 13, 2002.
Brother Padilla's defense is paid for by various compassionate Saudis.
Extra virgins are available from the fine folks who bring you "extra virgin" olive oil.
-- (Mullah Omar @ the sound of one eye.blinking), June 13, 2002.
The danger here is that an American citizen has been detained without the usual safeguards afforded common murderers, solely on the word of his accusers. Not a good precedent.
-- helen (email@example.com), June 13, 2002.
Wow Helen! I'm amazed! Someone actually understands it. Bravo!
Unfortunately this forum is 99% idiot pugs who don't give a crap about our Consitution or our civil rights as long as it is their Nazi leader Dumbya who is destroying them. If it were "Klintoon" they'd be screaming bloody murder. Their hypocrisy is so transparent and predictable it's not even funny.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 14, 2002.
Helen, I believe that most people could care less if Padilla was born in the White House itself. Yep, he’s an American all right and that should be the primary focus here. Should that fact alone be reason enough to exclude him from the intense scrutiny of our own security agencies?
Will you feel better when 300,000 American’s are incinerated and it’s another ‘American’ who is responsible? He’s a long-time gang member with multiple convictions, all violent with weapons. For that alone he has lost many of his rights.
These are extraordinary times that call for extraordinary measures. The Bush bashers don’t have any serious convictions about these issues. They simply hate the current administration and will oppose and complain about ANYTHING associated with them. They were so taken- in by trailer trash Willie that they must throw Bush into the same sewer in order to purge their own demons. That’s just fine as long as you understand where they are coming from.
I will gladly accept just about any policy that gives our government additional tools to fight terrorism. The groups that are screaming the loudest about these ‘violations’ of our guaranteed civil rights are becoming this countries greatest enemy. Do any of you folk’s feel personally threatened by these new security measures? Unless you are involved in criminal activity yourself, probably not.
See a wolf, be a wolf, catch a wolf.
-- Send (email@example.com), June 14, 2002.
IMO, America needs to identify a legal basis for declaring war. Then, Padilla types can be incarcerated as POWs and receive military justice.
War in the 21st century seems not to be the traditional war of the past. There are no massed armies, there are no uniforms, there is not even a nation state to declare war upon. Yet we are at war. The US mainland has been savagely attacked and the threat continues. Not since 1812 has that happened and then there was at least a conventional enemy (UK).
Just because 21st century war does not follow traditional models does not mean it is not a war. The Congress needs to identify a basis that enables us to formally declare war under these conditions.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 14, 2002.
The loss of constitutional rights, to this point, are minor compared to what was lost during the Civil War. Then again, we can all agree, we don't have Abe Lincoln in the White House. Wait and see.
In addition, the Bioterrorism Preparedness Act of 2001 that Bush just signed will have a very negative effect on research. I will spend weeks deciding how to enforce it. Practical effect: don't get a disease that requires a new cure; you ain't going to see it in your lifetime [pun intended]. ;<)))
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), June 14, 2002.
I will gladly accept just about any policy that gives our government additional tools to fight terrorism.
Now THAT is in itself a truly scary statement. Send, you used to strike me as a patriotic American. I too love this country, but "just about any policy" may likely leave us with a country that isn't any longer the America we both love.
And this statement...Do any of you folk’s feel personally threatened by these new security measures? Unless you are involved in criminal activity yourself, probably not.
Hey Send, why not just install video cameras in everyone's home? After all, if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about!
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeeD@yahoo.com), June 14, 2002.
Send, I understand your point about this being a high stakes chase to catch the bad guys before they kill more people.
However, I'm a farmer who will not buy nitrogen-based fertilizer solely because it was used in a criminal act defined as terrorism in 1995. I just don't want the stuff around here if for any reason cops wanted to check things out. It may seem silly to you, but it's serious for me. It's a bummer to have to haul in chicken shit as a replacement.
The problem with erasing all of the rights of accused "terrorists" is that the same entity that makes terrorist accusations also defines terrorism, detains the accused terrorist for indefinite periods of time with no contact with family or legal counsel, and insists that the accusations may not be fully listed for the defendant because of national security interests.
C'mon, just because they do it to people with criminal records now< doesn't mean they won't expand it to mule farms with the wrong kind of fertilizer in the future.
-- helen (email@example.com), June 14, 2002.
I see your point: I don't have mules but the farm down the road does. They are "shifty-eyed" beasts. Who knows what they would do with a ton of ammonium nitrate and diesel from my tank? Wouldn't trust them at all. Now the farm across the road from the "shifty-eyed" beasts has a collection of cameloid ruminants [llama]. They came from Peru [you know, shining path and all]. Born terrorists, those ruminants. I keep an eye on them. We won't talk about the Emu's on the farm next door [did you know that it is physically impossible to contain an Emu herd; short of razor wire and machine gun nests]. Interesting to walk around the edge of the forest and meet one at 5:00 am.
Question: why would anyone store ammonium nitrate? It is a potent oxidizing agent. I buy what I need and put it on the ground. It is safe there. Chicken shit introduces all kinds of pathogens [unless they are your chickens ;<)))].
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), June 15, 2002.
Emu? There aint no such animule, you pug scum. What a dipshit.
-- (here's laffin @ you.pugboy), June 15, 2002.
Never did understand why Unk admitted these moronic high school chillren. Of course it could be Unk in disguise.
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), June 15, 2002.
Why not? He allows a world-class bullshitter like you to post at will.
-- I'm Z (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 15, 2002.
Z, I wouldn't store fertilizer, I'd use it. But I don't need the sales record. Someone left old water pipe around here ... every time some idiot places pipe bombs, I get nervous about having old pipe lying around. Maybe you missed the underground conversations back when the drug paraphanalia laws were passed ... there were jokes about not having sugar and a spoon in the house just in case of a raid. It's like that.
-- helen (email@example.com), June 15, 2002.
I don't run a herd of mules so I would never buy that much [I do run a herd of cats and they are worried that Friskies might be declared terrorists weapons ;<)]. The land that I live on is not flat; not enough flat land to lay down a golf ball and have it stay put. The people two farms over have flat land. They raise about 1200 a of field crops. They never possess the fertilizer. They buy the stuff along with contract application. Most of the growers here do that. Same with herbicides. Told me that it is cheaper to contract that to own equipment which is used so seldom.
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), June 16, 2002.