I remember seeing a post about kids with "fat necks"and questioning whether or not it could be bottle jaw, and a response that directed the poster to a web site with pictures.. anybody know where that site might be?

-- Judy Corwin (corwinsusa@netscape.net), May 16, 2002

Answers

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2178/worms.html

Scroll down some and click on "Are your goats showing signs of worms". Hope this helps.,

Baby Ruth who is due to be shown in two Saturadays got stung by a wasp, she has bottle chin :) Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), May 17, 2002.

Thanks Vicki, i checked out the site and it confirms what i was already thinking...i'm stumped! the kids have a pad of fat under their necks that looks much like the pic of the boer goat,but these kids are Nubians.There's no swelling under the jaw. they are all between 6 and 9 weeks and have all been wormed twice once with valbezen and then 21 days later with ivomec.Which is what we have done in the pst with good results.could this be the "milk goiter" thing that horse folks talk about? I think I'm gonna stick the kid with the biggest lump in the truck this morning and swing by the vets on my way to the bank and grocery store. think anybody will notice if i just strap her in the grocery cart?

-- Judy Corwin (corwinsusa@netscape.net), May 17, 2002.

O.K. just got back from the vet.(we skipped the grocery store,Narise said she was tired of riding)Vet says kids have collostroidal(sp?) edema from selienum deficiency. Got Bo-SE to inject with and she said put them on penicillen for 5 days. Anybody know anything about this? Vet made her diagnosis from a book, said she'd never seen this before.

-- Judy Corwin (corwinsusa@netscape.net), May 17, 2002.

also had fecals done-no worms

-- Judy Corwin (corwinsusa@netscape.net), May 17, 2002.

I have fed kelp for this and it seems to help, feed it to the kids and to the does too, if they're nursing the kids.

-- Rebekah (daniel1@itss.net), May 17, 2002.

Hi Judy, most well fed Nubian kids, especially those of older Nubian bloodlines, will have milk goiters. Once weaned, they use up their extra body fat quickly and these go away, because the fat in grain and hay is substantially less than in milk. Look at the difference in the necks of the old Nubian bucks, they all had this dew lap thing going on :) We call them well fed kids, are seen in several bloodlines at my farm and are perfectly normal. Couple this predisposition with all the butterfat they are drinking and you are going to have some healthy kids. If the Bo-se doesn't work, leave them be. We also feed Kelp.

Oh! And speaking about that, my friend Rick keeps his loose mineral, kelp and Diamond V yeast mixed together in a spice shaker, the big ones that Garlic Powder come in, he sprinkles this over the goats feed when he feeds them rather than having it out free choice. I am also doing this now, makes me feel good to know there is no more picking an choosing what you are eating, its there, its going to stick to your lips and tongue and you are eating it :) What a great idea! Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), May 17, 2002.

hii allll i am a vet student in the last year i hope that we can cooperate togther in the future

-- heba ghanem (hoba48@hotmail.com), March 11, 2003.