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Anyone watch Cartoon Networks Adult Swim? Most of the cartoons are pretty decent. Im kind of suprised Aeon Flux hasnt aired on it. Neon Genesis and Blue Submarine no.6 in the mean time are pretty great.

-- Sam (, May 03, 2002


I was pretty impressed with Cowboy Bebop. I thought it was sort of surreal and well drawn, but I've not caught it a lot.

-- Barb e. (, May 04, 2002.

Paul, I've tried this Disney link you suggested and all I get is a 'Yahoo Movies' gone fishin' sign, did it work at one time? Also, regarding your last message, nope. I didn't get it. You need a better server than MacEnroe's sister. I'll leave a provocotive message here so I'm sure you get this: 'I'm free Friday for some good Aeon Flux about that cute little one you wrote a while back with Trevor and the Monican girls $#%^!^'s none of Aeon's business but...'

-- Barb e. (, May 09, 2002.

I take it that mail is in cyberspace. The other Suesuesbeo is my old AOL name. The KGB were cold alright. I will try to check that out. O.k. this is supposed to be about Adult Swim so I'm making an attempt to vear back to the subject. Ever see the video by the Gorillaz called 19-2000, it's very cool. They showed it a few times on MTV but I think it would be good in between shows on Adult Swim.

-- Barb e. (, May 10, 2002.

Yep those so called 'adult swims' only dip into the pool and not the sultry visual plunges we were treated to. Those Aeon/Trevor love scenes sizzled. The other night I was watching an old 40's movie, (Kiss me Kate) it was loaded with talent. I haven't seen it since I was a kid. I forgot how well produced it was. The romance was based with modesty on a romantic love affair tinged with s & m, and the couple really played well off each other. It let your imagination do the work and was very sexy in its way. How well written and acted and how much talent some of the old 40's movies had to offer. I never expected to see that sort of romantic punch in an animated show. Peter always knew how to deliver just enough so your mind roamed and then served up visual sexual images that were dynamic and powerful. It teased and payed out at just the right moments. Those voice actors were incredibly well chosen, and really captured the essence of adult passion. So few of today's films or animes have the talent in all directions that Aeon Flux did. You're right, it would be the definitive "Adult Swim".

-- Barb e. (, May 10, 2002.

What vids by Matsumoto?

-- Barb e. (, May 11, 2002.

Where did it show? Mtv? Matsumoto got into doing a punk video, wonder how that came about.

-- Barb e. (, May 11, 2002.

Just thought, imagine seeing Aeon Flux on LSD! And I thought I was totally tripping seeing it for the first time on Acapulco Gold.

-- Barb e. (, May 11, 2002.

Hey Lady Morgan good to see you here again! I hear you, tv has not gotten too innovative lately. Adult Swim was sort of a step in the right direction. They need to keep on though and open up to more creative works. There's a lot out there to show, there's a lot of good 'fanamation' too, I recently saw some show advertising some they were going to air. BTW Gorillaz were more know for Clint Eastwood, don't know if that one had a vid but that'd be interesting to see.

-- Barb e. (, May 11, 2002.

I haven't seen the video for Clint Eastwood. Was it animated like 19- 2000? I wonder who the animators were and what 'get the cool shoeshine' means besides being a good song. I never did see more than one episode of Bebop but there were so many other people in the room at the time I didn't really follow it. I didn't know it had any ending, let alone a sad one. I did see it for sale at Sam Goody's though, haha so the ending isn't all that sad. As for Baby Blues, believe it or not at one time I knew Rick and he's really a nice guy. Lucky devil.

-- Barb e. (, May 16, 2002.

Golgo 13 would make a nice splash.

-- Barb e. (, May 22, 2002.

Did anyone see Adult Swim tonight? They had on an anime called Yu Yu something or other, it looked quite a bit like Poltergeist Report with Kurama and Hiei, is it?

-- Barb e. (, June 16, 2002.

Yu Yu Hakusho had great animation all right, but I suspect computers afoot were partly responsible, and no, I didn't get your email.

-- Barb e. (, June 18, 2002.

Putting Aeon Flux on Adult Swim would be a great idea, Sam you're right. Watching Adult Swim tonight I couldn't help but notice the great Cowboy Bebop artwork was similiar to Wicked City, I wonder if there is any connection, (artists, director...)?

-- Barb e. (, July 21, 2002.

Oh, just that some of the characters were reminiscent of the others work but what the heck I should know by now that all artists are thieves. But check this out. CowboyBebop

-- Barb e. (, July 24, 2002.

I just saw the DVD for the movie Cowboy Bebop on Ebay, (selling from Malaysia). Is this the new movie already?

-- Barb e. (, October 03, 2002.

I like adult swim, mostly the comedy stuff (and Cowboy Bebop, too). My favorites are Home Movies and Sealab 2021. You know, they really should pick up Aeon Flux, it could gain a whole new life there. Something tells me it could be related to the gap between Viacom and Turner Broadcasting (or are they connected in a way I don't know?)

-- Mat Rebholz (, May 03, 2002.

Yu Yu Hakusho = my favorite guilty pleasure.

-- Inu (, May 03, 2002.

Cowboy Bebop was great! The ending was depressing as hell, but I loved the series.

-- cynical (, May 06, 2002.

Cowboy Bebop had some sweet visuals! I could never really get into the characters (too Bond-ish) but for an action fix it was great.

Confession: I wanna see Lilo & Stitch! OK, recent Disney flicks haven't been too wonderful, but Stitch is just the cutest thing. Hey, an alien pretending to be a dog? It's my life story!

-- Inu (, May 06, 2002.

Here's a still from L&S: "img src= /movie_pix/walt_disney/lilo__stitch/feedstitch.jpg"

-- Inu (, May 06, 2002.

Err, at least that was MEANT to be a still...

-- Inu (, May 06, 2002.

I'd watch that; that looks hilarious. In the previews it's like Disney doing parodies of itself!! Brilliant! :D

-- cynical (, May 07, 2002.

Barb, waaait... you're Suesuesbeo9? Jeez, I write you a long email and miss that little number at the end. Who is the other Suesuesbeo?

I liked the Studio 54 mix. Places like that still do exist, though I'd rather save that wild behavior for the dancefloor ;) One very interesting docu I just saw: "Theremin", about Leon Theremin, who dealt with immigration, the KGB and Russian music professors (actual quote: "the people do not need electronic music, electricity is for executing traitors in the chair!") to make some of the world's first electronic music; give that a look...

-- Inu (, May 09, 2002.

Gorillaz, hmm... I saw one of their videos way back when, but can't remember what it was called. What about the vids by Leiji (sp?) Matsumoto, the creator of Galaxy Express 999? That's what I'd like to see. Or some shoujo. Or that Evangelion movie Peter talked about (slips into anime daydream)

...wait, where were we? Oh yes, recommendations for Adult Swim. I recommend anything other than Pilot "hey, let's rip off Evangelion AND Gundam Wing!" Candidate.

-- Inu (, May 10, 2002.

Ever get the feeling, and I don't want to get into a rant here, but did you ever notice how "kiddy" most of those Adult Swim programs are? For an adult show, nothing ever really goes past PG. Yeah, Cowboy Bebop has some blood and cigarette smoking, but it doesn't have a sultry dominatrix straddling a ruthless dictator while he describes to her his pain. It doesn't have spinal sex, fetish magazines, or fantasy boudoirs situated inside people's stomachs. I think that's kind of sad :)

-- Inu (, May 10, 2002.

A show can be adult without being saturated with sex and violence. Though some of the shows on adult swim are questionable, others,like Cowboy Bebop and pretty much anything from the Gundam universe, are definitely going to apeal to an older audience; maybe not adult, but older. What I think makes Aeon Flux real adult animation is not the sexual inuendo, but the ideas being kicked around. Sure a kid could watch it, but they probably wouldn't get it (in so far as anybody really does) and an adult can enjoy it on so many different levels that kid wouldn't even be aware of.

-- Logo (, May 10, 2002.

Reiji Matsumoto did a four part music video for Daft Punk.

-- Logo (, May 11, 2002.

"What I think makes Aeon Flux real adult animation is not the sexual innuendo, but the ideas being kicked around"

I agree with that... kind of. We're talking about different things here. Of course adults can enjoy the plot construction of a Bebop or Gundam on a deeper level. My point is, regarding the "adults only" tag (a marketing scheme to kids if there ever was one), that the titillation in Adult Swim's programs is more of the raging-teen-hormones variety than adult. I like that stuff too; but AF, I respect more. Not for being explicit, but for being, well... perverse, and wildly creative. The characters don't drink/smoke/have sex to be "cool", and earn that TV14 rating; it's incidental. It's what they *do* with that behavior, how they express it, that makes it so fascinating.

-- Inu (, May 11, 2002.

I'm sure it's aired on MTV lots of times. Its a few months old though, so you're probably going to have to download it off PTP file sharing if you want to see it. It's fun, but nothing great. The songs in order of the videos are:

One More Time Aerodynamic Digital Love Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

-- Logo (, May 11, 2002.

Maybe Chronophasia could be rated TV14-LSD :-)

-- Inu (, May 11, 2002.

The thing i liked most about Aeon Flux was that it was more than a mere cartoon; it was an entire string of mind boggling events that took place in this simple half hour show. not to mention the shorts. It amazes me today to see the 10min cartoon shows that the air sends out to children and it doesn't do more than somewhat tug on their visual mindset. It does nothing for the imagination or speculation of what just happend. kids don't try and make sence of anything. they just think they look cool. that is what seperated aeon from everyother show. reading this post just makes me want to watch tv again. i haven't watched tv on a reg. basis in over a year. it's just so dull and rudendant the same situation over and over again, i find myself telling exactly how a movie or show is going to turn out and that bores me does nothing to strike within me, what aeon had done to me. and that is what i miss most.

-- Lady Morgan (, May 11, 2002.

Lady Morgan! Welcome back, pull up a chair, have a gin & tonic (tonic, anyway). So we make you want to watch TV? C'mon, we can't be THAT bad ^_^ Television is okay, but I prefer webcomics, like this one

-- Inu (, May 11, 2002.

Hey Lady Morgan!! *waves*

-- cynical (, May 12, 2002.

"BTW Gorillaz were more known for Clint Eastwood, don't know if that one had a vid but that'd be interesting to see"

You really havent seen the Clint Eastwood vid Barb? If not, download it or by the single that comes with it because its a damn good clip.

-- Sam (, May 13, 2002.

"BTW Gorillaz were more known for Clint Eastwood, don't know if that one had a vid but that'd be interesting to see"

You really havent seen the Clint Eastwood vid Barb? If not, download it or buy the single that comes with it because its a damn good clip.

-- Sam (, May 13, 2002.


-- Sam (, May 14, 2002.


spot the difference

-- Sam (, May 14, 2002.

I love Home Movies. My GF and I watch it every week, I have to say, it's probably the funniest show on TV. I'm starting to see reruns now, which is kind of disappointing. I wonder if they take fan-written scripts? It seems pretty low-budget, so they just might.

-- Bennett Campbell (, May 14, 2002.

I find Home movies to be remarkebly similar to Dr Katz, their both good though.

I liked the Space Ghost Coast to Coast with Bjork & the Radio Head Guy, sometimes that show out does its self.

-- Sam (, May 15, 2002.

My sister has been watching the Osborne show a lot lately and i sat down and watched it the other day. it was funny as heck. lol there are some actually worth while shows out there, that are some what entertianing if not thought worthy. just a matter of finding them, so you find em i'll take a look at them. :O) heh So yes i would like to watch a lil more tv just not as much as some ppl. I have been donig a lot of reading lately, reading mostly dragonlance and forgotten realms drizzt series, i must say i prefer books to tv anyday. has anyone ever read Lenore? by Roman Dirge? it's a pretty good comic, about this cute lil dead girl and her adventures. sounds a bit morbid but it's highly entertaining. and i like the art work. /waves

-- Lady Morgan (, May 16, 2002.

I'll be out back in Carl's pool.

-- Master Shake (, May 16, 2002.

Lady Morgan, I have. If you like Lenore then Id have to highly reccomend Johnny the Homicidal Maniac and Squee.

-- Sam (, May 16, 2002.

I just couldn't get into Cowboy Bebop. I felt like I could predict every line before it was spoken. Baby Blues was awesome, though. I can't believe they don't air it anymore.

-- Frostbite (, May 16, 2002.

Barb, all of Gorrilas vids are animated alike, with the same characters every time, as far as I know. Jamie Hewlett (Tank Girl) is someone behind the animations, I dont know much about it though. Im a big Tank girl fan however & Hewlett's style is easy to recognise. That Shoe Shine song has a damn cool vid as well, not quite as good Clint Eastwood though.

-- Sam (, May 17, 2002.

Sam, i have read JHM. i don't really like it though, the art is pretty cool and a few of the stories but it really doesn't appeal to me. But thx for the recommendation. Tank girl on the other hand is quite entertaining. :O)

-- Lady Morgan (, May 19, 2002.

Most of the anime on Adult Swim is better watched elsewhere subbed instead of dubbed, but I can very much appreciate Cowboy Bebop being played... certainly not Pilot Candidate (aka Candidate for Goddess) though... most generic and boring anime I've ever seen. :P

Of course I'm a huge fan of the Brak Show, Sealab 2021, Harvey Birdman: Attourney at Law, and SG:C2C, but I don't watch it as often as I'd like.

The more-or-less defunct Ĉon Flux and the soon-to-be defunct Invader Zim (on Nickelodeon) would both be fantastic on Adult Swim, but alas, they probably will never be: both AF and IZ are properties owned by huge-ass corporate TV companies (AF by Viacom, I think, and IZ by Nickelodeon), and Cartoon Network is, as of yet, rather low-budget and low-income, and couldn't possibly afford to buy the properties off Nick and Viacom at present. Probably not even in the future, since companies seem to be horribly rabid about clinging to properties even once they stop earning money. :(

-- Brian Davis (, May 19, 2002.

I too read JtHM. It was well-written, but gave me a giant headache that lasted the rest of the day.

-- Frostbite (, May 19, 2002.

Whoops. Now that I'm back home the server thinks I'm Frostbite again. Incidentally, the film I told you about is in the computer at school. Finals shattered my soul leaving broken, razor-edged bits on the floor, and I ran home screaming for Mommy after I was done. I might get a chance to drive up to school and upload it before fall, but don't hold your breath.

-- Kristine Rooks (, May 19, 2002.

yeah brian, AF and IZ are owned by huge corporations, but huge corporations that have shown time and again a complete avoidance of any connection to their audience.

Nickelodeon and MTV have removed good programming to put in more derivative dreck time after time. When I was a kid, the quality of Nickelodeon's programming was about twice what it is today. What happened to Mysterious Cities of Gold? Or Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea? Pete and Pete? the Original Doug Series? Obviously Nick thought that writing and quality were not being appreciated by their viewers, and dropped them. When I was coming of age, MTV was the best channel out there. Liquid Television was a phenomenon, and I watched it every day and taped it every night. The Maxx literally midwived me through my adolescence.

Now look at both networks. Their shows pander to the lowest common denominators in both their age groups, there is an absolute dearth of quality programming *and* originality. When Daria finally went off the air, I knew that MTV would never be seen on my television again. It was the end of an era.

But now Cartoon Network has changed that. They caught, methinks, the tail end of all us disillusioned folks, the ones that grew up on the good stuff. And they are answering the call. They grabbed home movies (and tell me that coach isn't voiced by Ben Katz!) Cowboy Bebop, and from what I hear, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and made a stream of incredibly funny shorts using their Hanna Barbera licenses.

What does this mean? In the end, the winner of the cable titans will be Cartoon Network. I can only hope they grab Futurama and Family Guy along with Invader Zim and Aeon Flux... All my prayers to the gods of animation will ask this, at least.

"Hesh wants sex!" skye

-- skye (, May 20, 2002.

Lady Morgan and Kristine/Frostbite, Squee is still worth a shot even if you dont like Johnny. Its a spin off from JTHM you may ar may not be aware of. Actually if you didnt like JTHM this may be a long shot. Worth the look though.

Hmm, how could I forget to mention the Maxx. Comic and cartoon brilliance, I need to re-introduce myself.

-- Sam (, May 21, 2002.

another one I love is trigun. that last episode.. man.

Neon genesis evangelion. I think its introspection and exploration of loneliness and isolation is very insightful. The giant robots fighting with cool weapons just adds to the fun.


-- skye (, June 05, 2002.

Yep. Actually Poltergeist Report is the American name for Yu Yu Hakusho. We just started to get the series over here. It's no masterpiece in the animation dept., but I like it's offbeat humor.

(Barb, my web-based email timed out on me as I was responding to your last message. If you didn't get my reply, let me know & I'll mail you again, okay?:)

-- Inu (, June 16, 2002.

Mission Hill is better than I was expecting, but it's still not as good as Baby Blues. The Blues almost rivals The Simpsons in its first season. I say "almost" because every episode ends the same way, with everyone Learning An Important Lesson. Not that Learning An Important Lesson is a bad thing, but if you start every episode knowing how it's going to end, it kind of kills the drama.

-- Kristine Rooks (, June 16, 2002.

Adult Swim in NZ doesnt seem to have half the shows you guys are talking about. I hope it does soon.

-- Sam (, June 17, 2002.

"yeah brian, AF and IZ are owned by huge corporations, but huge corporations that have shown time and again a complete avoidance of any connection to their audience. "

True, but that doesn't keep them from earning ludicrous amounts of money from the people who buy into the low-quality sludge, or from keeping their properties once they've stopped becoming profitable.

Cartoon Network is indeed a bastion of high-quality programming that appreciates its viewers, I'm just stating that the likelihood of them being able to buy the shows we'd love to see from Viacom and Nick is virtually nil.

I still have yet to see Yu Yu Hakusho, though, I should check that out sometime.

-- Brian Davis (, June 20, 2002.

This is only vaguely related, but today I bought a tape of my favorite childhood cartoon (after Aeon), The Pirates of Dark Water. It has the first four episodes of the show strung together to make a feature-length movie. It's even better than I remembered. Maybe I can buy bootleg copies of the rest of the episodes somewhere.

-- Kristine Rooks (, June 22, 2002.

Dark Water was one of the most original programs out at the time. It kind of lost its edge toward the end of its run, but the early episodes were great.

-- Logo (, June 22, 2002.

no kidding. that was a fine show. I wish they had wrapped up the series during their run. if they had spent less time being episodic, and more time building a central plot...

and on that note, what about Exosquad? the first plotline was so excellent. too bad the last few episodes are ruined by their attempt to keep the show running.


-- skye (, June 23, 2002.

Wicked City is a Kawajiri film. I don't know about the artists that worked on in though. Aside from the noirish undertones in the first half of Wicked City I didn't really notice any similarities with Cowboy Bebop. What aspects did you find similar?

-- Logo (, July 21, 2002.

Well, imitation is the sincerist form of flattery, and it seems like everybody in japanese animation has worked on everybody else's film (I don't know how many movies have come out in the last few years "from the makers of Akira") so perhaps you are right.

I've been on the BAAF mailing list for a year now. I missed last year's festival though, so if anyone on this forum has been I'd love to hear what you thought of it and if it's worth the money. Rather than clog the forum with irrelevant fan gushing you can just email me.

-- Logo (, July 24, 2002.

I finally watched Yu Yu Hakusho. Now I'm sucked in too. (p.s. Mission Hill RULES.)

-- Kristine Rooks (, July 26, 2002.

Their is a a misunderstanding on this list when talking about big corporations. Cartoon Network is owned by AOL-TimeWarner, a much bigger company than Viacom, and could obtain the rights Aeon Flux, _any time_ so desired. So perhaps if you want to see Aeon Flux on adult swim you should be petitioning Cartoon Network/AOLTW. I think that petitioning CN would be a high priority for fans of AF. Even better if you can get AF's creater Peter Chung to petition CN.

-- Z Fool (, November 12, 2002.

Just saw Cowboy Bebop, man this series is awesome. Does Spike need to get more in touch with his: Animal attributes, feminine side, and inner child? _-_ ?

-- Sam (, November 16, 2002.

I love Adult Swim. I like Brak and Sealab, but my new favourite (and this should come to no surprise) is Reign. Just enough wierd sci-fi fantasy to make it surreal and out there, just enough real history to get a geek like me excited. And half naked men.

Homoeroticism, yay!

-- Anne Marsh (, March 21, 2003.

Adult Swim is watchable, but it would be great if they aired the good cartoons from when i was a kid, like my favorite cartoon of all time Exo-Squad or robotech scripts like those cannot be recreated or replaced. re-runs of old japanese scifi drama are get very boring very fast. family guy and futurama are the only two cartoons keeping adult swim around. so in case anyone who means anything at cartoon network is reading this PUT EXOSQUAD BACK ON THE AIR it was and still is one of the best shows ever made.

-- Gandalf Jones (, February 25, 2004.

I agree, Exosquad had a fantastic script, and was one of the best animated shows on Television. Pity that telling a storyline isn't as popular as it used to be.

-- skye (, February 27, 2004.

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